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Teacher Arrested and Cuffed for speaking Out at Meeting

 
 
Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 02:12 pm
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/teacher-arrested-for-questioning-pay-raise?utm_term=.vwkaDwaoV#.arbbvebQ3

A middle school teacher was handcuffed after she questioned the superintendent's pay raise during a school board meeting in Louisiana on Monday night.

Noting that class sizes had grown, Hargrave told the Vermillion Parish School Board that it was "unspeakable" and "absurd" that the superintendent was getting a raise "when teachers are working this hard, and not even getting a dime."
"It's a sad, sad day to be a teacher in Vermillion Parish," Hargrave said.
She told BuzzFeed News on Tuesday that the district had been carrying out teacher cutbacks and that staff members were being treated unprofessionally while facing increasing demands.
"It's not fair that the little money we have is going to the top and not to the teachers and support staff," she said. "It just didn't seem right to me that the superintendent was getting a raise when no one else is getting one."
She added that the superintendent was always getting credit for the teachers' work and that his raise of $38,000 equaled the annual salary of a teacher, or two cafeteria workers, or two janitors.
During the meeting, her comments prompted board president Anthony Fontana to rule Hargrave out of order during the meeting, KATC reported. Hargrave, however, told BuzzFeed News she could not recall if he said so or not.

After the board voted to approve Puyau's contract with the raise, Hargrave once again expressed her frustrations, but was stopped by an Abbeville city marshal officer, who told her, "You're going to leave or I'm going to remove you."

After the vote, Hargrave — who was recognized by the board — told them, "How are you taking the raise when you are basically taking from the teachers and the employees under you?"
As people in the audience agreed with Hargrave, Fontana banged his gavel multiple times and ordered Hargrave to stop talking because the raise "wasn't on the agenda" — promoting several others in the meeting to disagree.
As Puyau began to directly address Hargrave's concerns, the city marshal officer asked her to leave.
Hargrave told BuzzFeed News that she thought the officer was "confused" and did not understand the protocol at board meetings, where members in the audience are allowed to comment if they are recognized by the board.
"It's something I have done before and never gotten escorted out, let alone arrested," she said.

In a video, uploaded by KATC, the city marshal officer appears to push Hargrave to the ground and handcuff her outside the room after she left the meeting.
 
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 02:42 pm
Land of the free...
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 02:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
The title of this thread is incorrect.

She was handcuffed because she was disrupting the meeting. It sounds like she was talking out of turn and was given several opportunities to stop her disruption. You may be sympathetic because you support her cause, but let's be honest. If she had been wearing a "MAGA" hat, you would have cheered her getting 'cuffed.

You have every right to support her. But at least be honest about it.

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 02:59 pm
@maxdancona,
Calling me dishonest for reporting a story without embellishment is being an ass. She was recognized to speak. It is just when they did not like her comments she was told to hush and then arrested. She did nothing to deserve getting thrown down and arrested.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 03:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
This story has a heroic woman being treated disgracefully by men. How else do you think Max will react?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 03:24 pm
@izzythepush,
It always takes me by surprise when someone reacts that way.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 03:31 pm
@edgarblythe,
The title is dishonest.

If someone was cuffed and escorted out of a Hillary Clinton rally after being recognized to say something and then refusing to sit back down again... would you tell the same story?

This is just more one-sided ideological nonsense from inside the political bubble.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 03:34 pm

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 03:37 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

This story has a heroic woman being treated disgracefully by men. How else do you think Max will react?


You want to lynch this Black man for treating the White woman so "disgracefully". Of course Izzy would go there.

(two can play this game)
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:16 pm
Let's try to be rational here (with apologies for the ugliness).

1. I think the arrest is a red herring. There are other videos of people getting arrested for disrupting school board meetings. Handcuffing someone who is being arrested for public disturbance is pretty straightforward and seems to be common. The video in this case cuts out... but it seems likely this woman didn't cooperate just before she got "thrown to the ground". In videos where you see what happens uncut, most of the time the person is handcuffed standing up.

2. School boards have rules. Most of them allow for public comment, but the school boards are usually elected. They presumably run themselves. Hopefully a school board will allow its community to have a voice. We don't know the story here.

That doesn't excuse this woman's behavior when she broke the rules.

3. The woman's gender shouldn't matter (and didn't until Izzy brought it up). Hopefully we all agree that a woman being arrested for public disturbance should be treated the same as a man being arrested for public disturbance.

4. There are likely some real issues here. Most of us support teachers being paid well, we can also support keeping to local budgets and being wise.

5. The problem with this story starts with the sensational headline. It starts with the fact that this woman was handcuffed after she disrupted a meeting and kept escalating until she was arrested. This feeds the ideological bubble, but it doesn't lead to any understanding of the issues involved beyond partisan hysteria.

6. This story feeds the ideological bubble. The goal of Edgar's headline is to close minds by soliciting an emotional response. There is no fairness here to the other side of the story, no real attempt to get a balanced view of the facts, no attempts to find a compromise.

Stirring up partisan outrage for political points is not a way to solve problems.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:29 pm
@edgarblythe,
Not any more, it's happened too many times for that, anything that puts women in a good light always provokes a furious reaction.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:35 pm
@izzythepush,
Ask Edgar what he thinks about Betsy Devos?

I don't think that Edgar's furious reaction toward women makes him a misogynist. This is an illogical attack. And, it is aimed at preventing any discussion outside of the ideological bubble.

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:39 pm
@izzythepush,
This crap has chased dozens of good posters from the site.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:41 pm
@edgarblythe,
I know. It's pathetic.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:42 pm
I just heard on TV that the benevolent powers that be will not press charges against her. If it were me, I would consult a lawyer to see if any of those jerks can be sued.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:43 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

This crap has chased dozens of good posters from the site.


Then stop posting this crap here Edgar.

There are plenty of sites where you can put yourself in a closed-minded little group of people in your ideological bubble. This isn't one of them. If you post something here, people can respond to it... even (horrors) people who disagree with you or who will challenge your way of thinking with a different perspective.

There are plenty of sites on the internet that cater to your ideological bubble. You can go there if you want. Stop whining.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 04:47 pm
@maxdancona,
It is a little amusing that Izzy and Edgar are trying to do to me what the Black man in Edgar's video did to that "heroic" woman.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 05:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
Exactly, wrongful arrest if nothing else.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 09:27 pm
Anyone who disrupts a government meeting ( really, any meeting) risks the chance if being forcibly removed. Just because one believes in the subject of the objection, one doesn't have to agree on the means.

Once she stated her objection, she needed to then get her plan:
She could have organized a recall of the board, called the media, gone to the county school board, gotten up a petition.



Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jan, 2018 09:38 pm
@PUNKEY,
So many nitwits . . . read the story again, she had been recognized by the chair before she spoke.
 

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