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America's Muslim Heritage

 
 
Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 08:25 am
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2681196/posts

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Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said: "I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story."

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE:

Dear Mr. Obama,

Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.

Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again. Those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.

Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution?

Declaration of Independence ?

Bill of Rights?

Didn't think so.

Did Muslims fight for this country's freedom from England? No.

Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America? No, they did not.

In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery. Your own half brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as "pug nosed slaves." Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family's "rich Islamic heritage," doesn't it, Mr. Obama?

Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present.

There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

Where were Muslims during this country's Woman's Suffrage era? Again, not present.

In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the 'hajib' or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women's rights, aren't they?

Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazis in killing Jews.

Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East. No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news networks that day. Strangely, the very "moderate" Muslims who's asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo, Egypt on June 4th, 2010 were stone cold silent post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day.

And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have here in America.

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslim.

And now we can add November 5, 2009 -- the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a doctor and a psychiatrist and who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That, Mr. Obama is your "Muslim heritage" in America.

 
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:41 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2681196/posts

Quote:

Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said: "I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story."

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE...


This citizen conveniently left out most of the quote, which went...
Quote:
I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims." And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our Universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers – Thomas Jefferson – kept in his personal library.


And of course, the overall context of the speech is one in which President Obama is trying to assuage the animosity between the cultures so that progress in communication can take place. So of course we're going to hear a hopeful (rather than antagonistic) spin on things.

djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:44 am
@rosborne979,
well sure, but that doesn't play nearly as well to the hayseeds as bringin' up 9/11
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:53 am
@djjd62,
http://drinkthis.typepad.com/shapiro/2006/03/stories_of_prio.html

Quote:

"What are you looking at?" asked the schoolteacher as she approached one of her freshman students. The boy, a 14-year-old Palestinian, seemed captivated as he stared out the window across Brooklyn toward the lower downtown area of Manhattan.

"Do you see those two buildings?" he asked while pointing toward the World Trade Center. "They won't be standing there next week." It was noon, Sept. 6, 2001.

Antoinette DiLorenzo didn't take her student's comment all too seriously. Of course the twin towers would be there next week, she assured him. The student shook his head and reiterated his prediction until his 15-year old brother, a sophomore, elbowed him and told him to be quiet. "He's just kidding," the older boy said politely.

Five days later at 8:45 a.m., DiLorenzo heard a loud explosion from the north. Thunderstruck, she turned to the window and eventually watched both towers collapse into shattered glass and crumpled steel.

Many people believed this story was nothing more than an urban legend when they first heard it. Everyone has heard similar stories in the wake of such a disaster. Despite the almost unbelievable circumstances of the story, I was able to confirm it last October while working as a crime reporter for the Journal News, a New York-based Gannett newspaper. Catie Marshall, a spokeswoman for the New York City Board of Education, confirmed that school officials reported the incident to police and that the matter since had been taken over by the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force [FBI-JTTF].

New Utrecht High School was closed Sept. 12, 2001, but as soon as it reopened the following morning, a shaken DiLorenzo quietly approached a New York City Police Department [NYPD] school-safety officer in the school's first-floor lobby. Soon, a dozen investigators stormed the school, interrogating students and searching lockers.

After federal agents questioned DiLorenzo, police detectives questioned her fourth-period class to see if anyone else had heard the boy's comments. Once the detectives were finished, the boy and his brother were taken to 62nd Precinct headquarters, where two investigators with the FBI-JTTF questioned them for several hours. Their father, who was visiting Palestinian relatives in Israel at the time of the attacks, was scheduled to fly home Sept. 11 on a commercial airliner, but he was delayed when all flights to the United States were grounded.

"They asked us if we knew [Osama] bin Laden or if we knew the airline hijackers," the older brother told me. "They were convinced my brother was not only a part of the attacks but that he had helped plan them. They believed it. I could see it in their eyes."

The two boys were grilled for hours. By the end of the interviews, they had answered repeated questions about what they had said in class the week before.

"From the angle we were looking at, you could only see one of the trade towers because one was hidden behind the other," the older brother told me. "My brother likes attention, and so he called me over and pointed out the window toward the tower. He smiled at me and said, 'Do you know why you can only see one building? Because I blew the other one up.'"

The first time I heard the boy's explanation I considered that he was telling me the truth. But school officials said the explanation about the twin towers simply didn't add up. "You may not have been able to clearly see the gap between them, but you could certainly tell there were two buildings," one official told me.

My story was published Oct. 11, 2001, by the Journal News - on page 7A. [The story incorrectly identified the boys as Pakistani.] The editors' reason for publishing the story on the inside was that it was "sensitive" and could cause a great deal of "outrage and backlash." By the end of the day I was back to being a free-lancer.

The next day, Jonathan Alter published an online column for Newsweek.com that verified my story, and MSNBC repeatedly played an interview I had given Matt Lauer that morning on the Today show. Both the Daily News and the New York Post published follow-ups crediting the Journal News, and I received phone calls from media organizations across the nation.

Both Dateline NBC and ABC's 20/20 invited me to their offices and asked me to do a follow-up with them. Unfortunately, no one from the school or police department was authorized to grant them an on-camera interview, which made it difficult for them to go forward. Luckily an editor at a Manhattan-based magazine contracted me to stay on the story.

During my continued investigation I learned that the FBI-JTTF was investigating two other students in the New York metropolitan area for the same reason.

On Sept. 10, 2001, a sixth-grade student of Middle Eastern descent in Jersey City, N.J., said something that alarmed his teacher at Martin Luther King Jr. Elementary School. "Essentially, he warned her to stay away from lower Manhattan because something bad was going to happen," said Sgt. Edgar Martinez, deputy director of police services for the Jersey City Police Department. Initially, the Jersey City rumor was met with some controversy. The New York Times called it an unsubstantiated rumor, and both the Daily News and the Jersey City Journal quoted a board-of-education official who denied that the boy had made any reference to the Sept. 11 attacks at all. Despite their reports, Martinez said the FBI-JTTF took over the matter for further investigation.

On Sept. 11, NYPD school-safety officers interrogated a Middle Eastern boy at Health Opportunities High School in the Bronx who had made similar comments that alarmed his teacher. Catie Marshall said the boy told his peers something as the school was being evacuated on Sept. 11.

"He warned them not to ride any city buses because he had been told at his mosque the week before to stay off all public transportation for a while," said one NYPD officer from the investigating 40th Precinct. "He said it wouldn't be safe." The FBI-JTTF since has taken over the matter.

One New Utrecht official told me that of the 509 Arab-American students who attend the school, many have come forward with their own stories about having prior knowledge. "Kids are telling us that the attacks didn't surprise them," she told me. "This was a nicely protected little secret that circulated in the community around here. I guess they were talking about it among themselves, but they didn't share it with us - at least not before the attacks."

According to students, many of their Arab-American peers were seen taking photographs of the crumbling twin towers from New Utrecht on Sept. 11. "Don't you think it's strange so many of them happened to take their cameras to school that particular day?" one student asked me.

I was beginning to get the picture. Both Brooklyn and New Jersey historically have been associated with terrorism. According to an FBI indictment against bin-Laden, al-Qaeda members used to operate secretly out of the now-defunct Alkifah Refugee Center on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, an office surrounded by Islamic schools and mosques. Today, the former organization's address has been stripped from the building and co-opted into a private business that sells Middle Eastern fragrances, incense and hardbound copies of the Koran. Those familiar with the center told me that New Jersey-based Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman was a frequent visitor to the secret al-Qaeda hideout.

Police always have had concerns about sleeper agents in the area. They particularly were concerned by a story I had heard from several NYPD sources about an abandoned rental car that was parked in front of a mosque only a few blocks from New Utrecht.

The car had been rented under the phony name "Bomkr" from Logan International Airport in Boston shortly before the attacks. Investigators thought the name sounded a lot like "bomb car." The anonymous party rented several other cars from Logan, all of which either have disappeared or been abandoned. Police suspect the cars were used by al-Qaeda operatives to return to their home bases after the attacks.

I turned in my story to my editor who, after reading it, hesitated and then opted to pay me a kill fee instead. I called the New York Times Magazine. "I don't doubt the boy actually said these things," a top editor told me. "But we don't know why he said them."

I received a similar wave of responses from a variety of national magazines. I reflected on a conversation I had had with someone I knew at NBC who told me that Dateline actually had known about the New Utrecht incident before I published my story. "No one wanted to follow up on it," he told me. "They figured it either wasn't true or it would be too hard. They were only interested in the story after you broke it first."

It's been one year since I first began working this story. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about what that man at NBC said to me. Even Marshall admitted she was surprised that it took as long as it did for the New Utrecht story to get out and that she was even more surprised that more news agencies didn't follow up.

I don't have the resources to continue an ongoing investigation into who had prior knowledge of the attacks - but I am sure someone out there does. Many things have happened since I broke my first story. On Nov. 9, 2001, my sources informed me that the same boy who predicted the attacks told school officials there would be a plane crash on Nov. 12. I decided to inform an FBI agent I knew who told me that, without specific information, there was little they could do.

Once again, the boy's prophecy came true. Three minutes after American Airlines Flight 587 took off from JFK International Airport to the Dominican Republic, its tail snapped off and both engines fell from its wings, dooming the plane to crash in Belle Harbor, located in the Rockaway section of Queens. None of the 260 people aboard survived. To date, authorities suspect the crash was an accident. I'm not so sure.

Recently I learned the investigation into the New Utrecht incident had been closed because authorities were "unable to obtain any further viable information that would explain what really happened." School sources tell me DiLorenzo has "stood firm" on her account of the boy's comments.

There's a story out there - and it needs to be covered.

Originally published in Insight on the News - Oct. 1, 2002
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:58 am
@djjd62,
That's right. Equally as bad as 9/11 itself is the fact that large numbers of muslims living in and around NY and NJ clearly had been warned off the area and knew something was going down on 9/11, and not a single one of them ever thought to tell anybody about it.

djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 11:05 am
@gungasnake,
the story sounds like pure revisionist bullshit to me

not to take anything away from the tragedy of 9/11, but sensationalist crap plays well to the rubes, it's true

i'm sure some folks may have known, what are you going to do, hate every muslim in the country or perhaps kill them all, that would solve the problem

hey then we can go after those pesky jews and coloured folks, and those french, they really bug me, with their cheese and wine, or maybe.........

grow up
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 11:11 am
@djjd62,
After that lets go after dagos and irish. everyone knows they are nothing but, slightly off white, trash.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 11:42 am
@gungasnake,
Time after time after time after time, you get caught willfully and knowingly distorting the truth. Yet you continue.

Just how ******* stupid are you, Gunga? [rhetorical question]
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 11:49 am
@gungasnake,
"What are you looking at?" asked the schoolteacher as she approached one of her freshman students. The boy, a 14-year-old Iraqi/Vietnamese/Afghan seemed captivated as he stared out the window across [fill in the appropriate city].

"Do you see all those buildings?" he asked while pointing toward them. "Many of them won't be standing there next week. In fact, many of us won't be here at all. "

The Iraqi/Afghan/Vietnamese teacher didn't take her student's comment all too seriously. Of course their beloved cities, their homes would be there next week, she assured him. The student shook his head and reiterated his prediction until his 15-year old brother, a sophomore, elbowed him and told him to be quiet. "He's just kidding," the older boy said politely.

[repeated time and again against innocent countries and innocent peoples]
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 12:37 pm
@djjd62,
That one isn't bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-knowledge_debate
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 12:44 pm
@gungasnake,
sounds like the biggest threat came from the security agencies sworn to protect you

i've read lots of this stuff, a big fan of peter lance and his book triple cross

but vilifying muslims when you really mean radical islam is just playing to the knuck draggers
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 12:50 pm
@djjd62,
Ultimately, western nations will have two basic options for dealing with Islam: submit to it or ban it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ZBqpEUbik
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 12:53 pm
@gungasnake,
Advance knowledge - the CIA had been predicting it forever. Anyone with half a brain knew that it had to happen. Y'all can't just allow your governments to go around the world murdering, raping, torturing people and stealing their wealth without expecting something to happen.

You aren't hated for your "generous aid" programs. US aid programs - now there's an oxymoron!
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 01:23 pm
@JTT,
9-11 Had exactly nothing to do with how America or Americans treat anybody else on the planet. It had to do with a power struggle in Saudi Arabia, and with Osama binLaden thinking he had a way to leapfrog the 70-something who were next in line to run the place.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 01:50 pm
Al Wilson on Western countries taking in muslim immigrants, better recording...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sXRRB-pG-M
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 07:28 pm
@gungasnake,
What does Osama binLaden have to do with 9-11?
roger
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 07:34 pm
@JTT,
Besides from start to finish, you mean?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:01 pm
Another version, beyond cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KXp5_2Xfrg&feature=fvwrel
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:05 pm
@roger,
Quote:
@JTT,
Besides from start to finish, you mean?


Does it remind you of the thing in Desperate People where the cop asks if the clown could really be that stupid?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 12:13 am
@roger,

I asked: What does Osama binLaden have to do with 9-11?

Quote:
Roger replied: [in his usual "cards held tightly to his chest" deceptive manner] Besides from start to finish, you mean?


So I ask: What does Osama binLaden have to do with 9-11? and I'll expand it a bit. What did Osama binLaden have to do with 9-11?
 

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