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Union Bile Runneth Over

 
 
Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 12:05 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/02/27/michael-goodwin-union-bile-runneth/

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The Boiling Over of the Liberal Mind is on full display these days, and it is not a pretty sight.
Union protesters in Wisconsin compared Gov. Scott Walker to former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and other tyrants. A sign showed him in a Nazi salute and screamed, "Heil Walker." Another said, "Hitler, Stalin, Walker." Still another showed a swastika next to his name.
New York unions also reached back to World War II, although with a twist. "Wisconsin: Our Pearl Harbor," wrote John Samuelson, president of the local Transport Workers Union, which represents transit workers. He railed against "enemies of labor and democracy."
But Paul Krugman proved himself the master of disaster comparisons. The bid to trim union power reminds the excitable New York Times columnist of the invasion of Iraq.
His argument, as best I can follow it, is that privatizing services and weaning people off government is exactly what Iraq was about, and we did it in Chile 40 years ago, too. Or something.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/02/27/michael-goodwin-union-bile-runneth/#ixzz1FBSDlJa0


 
Fido
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 07:27 pm
@gungasnake,
Unions improve wages and working conditions for all working people... They have consitently stood up for fair wages and justice for all workers... The problem is not that they have bile, but that they have had their crap packed for so many years in the name of sacrifice for society, and no one can take that without dumping a load once in a while...

Sacrifice has its place... We all sacrifice for every relationship we have... Only the rich in this society refuse to sacrifice, and the rich of Wisconsin are not so numerous or rich that they can make up for all the money removed to New York, or London, or Tokyo, or China from Wisconsin... But it would help if they could offer some reasonable sacrifice as sign of solidarity with the working people of Wisconsin that the few unions do represent...

When people hate the unions, and when they attack the unions it is an attack on democracy.... When I was a member of a union it was the most democratic organization I ever belonged to... It was far more democratic than my Church, my state, or the federal government... I had more direct representation, and opportunities to vote on almost every issue...

In addition, there is not one thing my union stood for that was not a goal set forth in the preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America... All of them from perfect union, defense, general welfare, tranquility, Justice and liberty were our goals as well; only we did it, and we went after it because our government did not do so on our behalf as they were constituted to do... They failed out right for lack of trying where we have only failed with an insufficient attempt to make all working people aware that the enemy we should most fear is our wealthy neighbor...

We have made our sacrifice for labor peace and a share of the wealth we produce... We have raised the level of wealth for all, added economic stability to the country, and taken a lot of unfair and unwarranted abuse from idiots too stupid to realize which side they should be on... We are not good for this country only because we are not revolutionary, but in settling, we have been used as the Romans used people, to divide and conquer... Destroy the unions and all the working people are on same side of the line from capital... Is that what the rich really want??? Because, as history has already shown us, slavery was never so much endangered as when its political victory was complete...
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 07:35 pm
@gungasnake,
coming from you, this would almost be funny if it wasn't so pathetic

Bork Obunga, KKKlintler, i guess it's okay if it's guys you don't like
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 10:09 pm
@djjd62,
There's no question that there have been times and places in which unions were necessary. But the United States in 2011 is not one of them. The entire union movement in the US would be dead as a doornail right now other than for government worker unions which are basically an arm of the democrat party and which whose interests are opposed to those of the people they claim to serve. They are demanding recognition as an aristocratic class with wages and benefits beyond those of the people paying for same and the people in growing numbers of states are fed up with it.
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 06:32 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

There's no question that there have been times and places in which unions were necessary. But the United States in 2011 is not one of them. The entire union movement in the US would be dead as a doornail right now other than for government worker unions which are basically an arm of the democrat party and which whose interests are opposed to those of the people they claim to serve. They are demanding recognition as an aristocratic class with wages and benefits beyond those of the people paying for same and the people in growing numbers of states are fed up with it.

There are a lot of people who quit taking their meds when they start to feel better, and I am not saying the unions are the cure that revolution would be... Since Unions have been responsible for minimim wage and health and safety regulations, and not so much out of their own efforts, but to head off the need for true change and revolution... In addition, the ultimate defeat off Comminism of the Russian variety was made possible with a compromise with organized labor... Since trade unions are not revolutionary in the sense of the IWW, and do not embrace the whole working class, they divide the people rather than unite us... Only the destruction of the unions will allow the whole people to unite, and then we will still have many divisions more natural, like those between the sexes, and along racial lines...

From the point of view of the rich; they were contented to use the unions against communism, but now that communism has been defeated it is the unions themselves which seem out in left field....But without the unions there is absolutely nothing standing between the working class and total degradation... Why not end workplace regulation???Why not end minimum wage??? Why not have child labor??? The Argument for sacrifice and the good of the country is there to be made, and with no organized opposition in defense of worker's rights there are no worker's rights... It is the same problem with abortion... If the embryo has no voice, it has no rights... It may still be a sin to drive labor into slavery and America into poverty; but without a voice raised for labor, it will no longer be a crime...
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 06:51 am
@gungasnake,
You might consider that the problem here is not one of the unions taking too much, but of so many of the people having so little by way of wages that taxes on income no longer can support the government and demands on government services... The income tax, when it was accepted only affected 11 to 13% of the people, but so soon at it was made constitutional it was pushed onto poorer and poorer part of the population until it can be pushed no lower, where it help to accelerate the empoverishment of the population and the increased wealth of the rich... The rich for their part protected from the very taxes meant for them, and relieved of the need to support society with their property could prop up the price of realestate beyond its natural price, which forces people to rely on credit to an extent that emoverishes them as the price of avoiding outright destitution... Taxes and interest has had the inevitable effect of making people work harder for less, and to pay more for less, and to watch helplessly as they are turned into slaves through competition with slaves abroad... We do not suffer from unions; but from the national insanity of capitalism...
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 06:56 am
@gungasnake,
way to just gloss over the point of the post, unions like most other things in this world could all disappear tomorrow with little thought from me, but you posting an indignant post about bile is laughable, if you can do it to the libratards they can do it to the cuntservatives

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 07:46 am
@Fido,
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You might consider that the problem here is not one of the unions taking too much, but of so many of the people having so little by way of wages that taxes on income no longer can support the government and demands on government services...


The United States made it until 1913 WITHOUT income taxes of any sort. You might want to ask yourself how that could have been.....

Some of the answers:

http://www.webofdebt.com
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 08:04 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
You might consider that the problem here is not one of the unions taking too much, but of so many of the people having so little by way of wages that taxes on income no longer can support the government and demands on government services...


The United States made it until 1913 WITHOUT income taxes of any sort. You might want to ask yourself how that could have been.....

Some of the answers:

http://www.webofdebt.com
Not hardly... We had income tax before; but it was only made constitutional late in our history... Property had the obligation of supporting the country as the commonwealth, even in private hands must always do... The effect was to make property cheap and labor dear... Taxes on labor, as income taxes are makes property dear, and labor cheap... They force people to work harder and longer than anyone should have to... For example: Look at how long we have had the 8 hour work day, and yet labor is so cheap that it is easier to demand extra time from people even at time and a half than hire more...Consider how many times we have increased the ability of each person to produce far above their own needs, and yet we struggle like dogs, working longer harder faster smarter, for less, living on credit, past glories, and dreams... And all the while more people are thrown out of work, made hopeless and destitute... And the government which should have protected us that instead protected our exploiters cannot now support its infrastructure or the population laid waste by the poison of capitalism...
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 08:06 am


UNION THUGGARY ROUNDUP
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 08:19 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
Round them up... Shoot them... Ship the rest to the concentration camps... The final solution has begun... Start with the unions, and end with the whole population...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:25 am
@Fido,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax

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...The concept of taxing income is a modern innovation and presupposes several things: a money economy, reasonably accurate accounts, a common understanding of receipts, expenses and profits, and an orderly society with reliable records. For most of the history of civilization, these preconditions did not exist, and taxes were based on other factors. Taxes on wealth, social position, and ownership of the means of production (typically land and slaves) were all common. Practices such as tithing, or an offering of firstfruits, existed from ancient times, and can be regarded as a precursor of the income tax, but they lacked precision and certainly were not based on a concept of net increase....

...In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, the United States government imposed its first personal income tax, on August 5, 1861, as part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800).[9][verification needed] This tax was repealed and replaced by another income tax in 1862.[10][verification needed]

In 1894, Democrats in Congress passed the Wilson-Gorman tariff, which imposed the first peacetime income tax. The rate was 2% on income over $4000, which meant fewer than 10% of households would pay any. The purpose of the income tax was to make up for revenue that would be lost by tariff reductions.[11] Also, the Panic of 1893 is said to have something to do with the passage of Wilson-Gorman.

In 1895 the United States Supreme Court, in its ruling in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co., held a tax based on receipts from the use of property to be unconstitutional. The Court held that taxes on rents from real estate, on interest income from personal property and other income from personal property (which includes dividend income) were treated as direct taxes on property, and therefore had to be apportioned. Since apportionment of income taxes is impractical, this had the effect of prohibiting a federal tax on income from property. However, the Court affirmed that the Constitution did not deny Congress the power to impose a tax on real and personal property, and it affirmed that such would be a direct tax.[12] Due to the political difficulties of taxing individual wages without taxing income from property, a federal income tax was impractical from the time of the Pollock decision until the time of ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1913....



What the Wiki article DOESN'T note is that the income tax act of 1913 coincided with the creation of the Federal Reserve: the basic plan then to now has been to base money entirely on government debt and to use the income tax to pay interest on the debt while rolling the principle over in perpetuity.

Obviously, that idea and plan has outlived any usefulness it may have ever had and needs (desparately) to be replaced. Money should be based on a typical basket of the goods and services which a nation actually produces. It should not be based on gold, silver, government debt, mortgage-based securities, or the sort of scheme which the Nixon/Kissinger/Rockefeller consortium dreamed up in 74 or thereabouts involving a tradeoff of American military support for the Saudis selling oil only for US dollars ("PetroDollars(TM)").
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