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Two men robbed his house last night.

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 12:43 pm
@Setanta,
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that customary usage over time and broadly used does indeed trump the arcana of anal-retentive lawyer wannabes,


Well, not actually, Setanta. Vocabulary can certainly be used differently in different registers of a language. Tico was mistaken in trying to suggest that how an action is described in the field of law determines how it's used in speech.

Of course, such a notion is preposterous but I'm afraid that this type of pedantry still abounds when it comes to language.

Idioms show those who think this isn't a strict enough use to be wrong. In what sense can a man who dies be said to "kick the bucket"? In what sense can a person who says, "he kills me" expect to die, repeatedly? In what sense should we expect a person who is "burned out" not to resemble a burned out house?
Francis
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 12:56 pm
@JTT,
I was thinking if I'll get cold feet if I walk a mile in your shoes...
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 01:20 pm
@Francis,
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I was thinking if I'll get cold feet if I walk a mile in your shoes...


An idea too far to the irrealis side of the scale; the use of the historical present, 'will' and the lack of past tense form on 'walk make it sound unnatural, Francis.

I was wondering [thinking] if I would get cold feet if I walked a mile in your shoes...

I was thinking - would I get cold feet if I walked a mile in your shoes...

McTag
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 04:02 am
@JTT,

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You don't speak strictly. You take all manner of unstrict choices with the English you use.


I agree with that, absolutely.
My first post on this thread covers that. Most people would not notice, or mind, this usage.

But the questioner asked a specific question, and it was our duty to answer it carefully and as exactly as possible.
Francis
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 04:11 am
@JTT,
Nothing that I didn't know, I should have been more careful in my writing..

But was more interested in the underlying concept (the semiology) of these two idioms...
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 10:29 am
@McTag,
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I agree with that, absolutely.
My first post on this thread covers that. Most people would not notice, or mind, this usage.

But the questioner asked a specific question, and it was our duty to answer it carefully and as exactly as possible.


Exactly doesn't mean misleading based on some pedantic notions of correctness. It's not a problem to give EFLs accurate information. In the legal sense, the definition is ... but the everyday sense is much more common.

English does this all the time. As I mentioned, all manner of building open and close seemingly all on their own. The vast majority of English speakers are smart enough to realize just what is going on. Leaving EFLs with some half baked notion of how a word ought to be used serves them not at all.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2011 10:35 am
@Francis,
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But was more interested in the underlying concept (the semiology) of these two idioms...


You'll have to be more clear, Francis.

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Nothing that I didn't know, I should have been more careful in my writing..


A good example of the dangers of grammar translation or the interference of the mother tongue.
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