Here's a topical twist on an old joke...
A man had 50-yard-line tickets for the Super Bowl. As he sits down, a man comes down the aisle and asks if anyone is sitting in the seat next to him. "No," he says, "The seat is empty."
"This is incredible," said the man. "Who in their right mind would have a seat like this for the Super Bowl, the biggest sporting event in the world, and not use it?"
He says, "Well, actually, that seat belongs to me. I was supposed to come with my wife, but she passed away. This is the first Super bowl we haven't been to together since we got married in 1967."
"Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. That's terrible. But couldn't you find someone else -- a friend or relative, or even a neighbor to take the seat?".
The man shakes his head. "No, they're all at the funeral."
Good joke, except I don't think that will apply to this one.
He's gonna attend the funeral too!
As it is .... clearly as it is
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Opinion
DS 31/01/04
Americans in Iraq are staring civil war in the face
BEIRUT: As US President George W. Bush was spinning his web of deceit to justify invading Iraq, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former president of Iran and Saddam Hussein's most formidable opponent during the 1980-88 war, was asked who he thought would lead Iraq once the "Great Dictator" had been swept aside. "Another Saddam," he replied.
Bush would have liked nothing better than to find a new Iraqi strongman, as advised by Rafsanjani, a wily and pragmatic cleric who was the eminence grise behind the puritanical Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The problem is that there's no one around capable of whipping Iraq's fractious sects and ethnic groupings into a cohesive, functioning whole.
Bush's administration is now engulfed in a political maelstrom of its own making as it struggles to pacify a country, one of those troublesome hybrids fashioned out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire by the victorious allies after World War I, that had been held together for decades only by Saddam Hussein's brutal power. (CONT)
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Sorry McG cant provide the link you requested. I probably just dreamt it anyway.
Aw, we all do a ton of reading without taking notes, Steve. "I seem to remember" or some such, is a fair disclaimer.
There is much discussion and legitimate outrage in recent days over intelligence failure, or selective use of same to support a political goal. No matter where the truth lies, we and Britain have learnt a bitter lesson with the events of this past year. The pain of seeing soldiers die daily in a war that should not have happened becomes a reality that might deter such inclinations in the future.
The buck stops at George Bush. He has no way of dodging responsibility for what he did or allowed to happen on his watch. He must now take the blame for something that will go down in history as as the hallmark of his presidency. He would like to say "we" were all misled by faulty intelligence. This "we" stuff won't go down. He is and must be the bottom line for accountability.
I had to get a new computer, mainly because of my stupidity and "head in the sand mentality" towards Norton type security concepts. Therefore, I am ignorant of the most modern posts here but found dyslexia's phrase:
"faith based intelligence"
Well,... pointed! But enough excuses.
Kara, regarding your statement:
"The buck stops at George Bush. He has no way of dodging responsibility for what he did or allowed to happen on his watch. He must now take the blame for something that will go down in history as the hallmark of his presidency."
Blame or responsibility Hmmmm.... The Afghans now boast of a new constitution hard won via tribal compromise. Important here is the compromise so promulgated. Granted the compromise that no law will be passed against Islamic law, but think about it, is that a bad thing? Does such a law work against modern thinking? I might add that the Koran allows for women to have property and the right of said sex to sue for divorce. The constitution also allows for the rights of women in its society. This can only be a good thing. Perhaps those Afghans so inclined "Know not what they do". But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Are they really ready to respect the wishes of half their society after all? Truly an interesting event.
But suppose that these events happen in Iraq with equal success? Will you then be equally intent on assigning responsibility to the present administration?
Respectfully,
JM
Quote:The Afghans now boast of a new constitution hard won via tribal compromise.
JM
I think I understand your point...positives have evolved out of US action in Afghanistan/Iraq. Sure.
But the sentence above is a really fine example of how a claim can be factually true and yet, because of what is left out, present a picture (and conclusion) which is false. It's a bit like sitting in an emergency waiting-room after your friend has had high speed car crash and he's lost a leg and his lungs are collapsed and there's internal hemoraging and brain damage and the surgeon enters all smiley faced and says, "Well, we finally fixed that wrist he buggered up as a kid!"
From what I understand the opium crop has made UBL one happy terrorist. Credit has been give to the excellent tillage provided by the US bombers. 'The bombs have made the rocks into fertile soil' says a poor poppy cultivator.
Quote:But suppose that these events happen in Iraq with equal success? Will you then be equally intent on assigning responsibility to the present administration
JM, no one wishes more for that to be the case than myself. If a stable representative government emerges in Iraq, that would be a blessedly positive outcome from a tragic decision by our administration to attack Iraq just because we could. We went to war for all of the wrong reasons. If something good comes out of that, I will be first in line, applauding.
Re Afghanistan, I agree with you limitedly. It will be interesting to watch what happens with this government and to see if it works. The problems inherent in combining Islamic and secular forces are right now on stage in Iran. What happens there will be interesting indeed.
The spirited debate over what role intelligence played in our war against Iraq might also have a positive outcome in that the idea of rushing into war, having distorted the intel to suit our purposes, might be seen in retrospect as a huge policy mistake that other nations, and our nation, might learn from and avoid.
The dust-up will also have a positive effect in that no one in this country or any other country will again easily swallow our claims that "intelligence" shows that North Korea or Iran or Libya, or any other suspect regime, is known to do X or about to do X or on the verge of X. Note the suspicion from the press about GWB's claim that Libya fell into line because of our war on Iraq. Well warranted cynicism arose immediately. It was obvious that Kaddafi was hurting from the sanctions and wanted them lifted; getting rid of a stalled and unsuccessful nuclear program was an easy way out.
Bush may be losing some of his pals in the publishers' penthouse suites:
Quote:"We feel deceived -- by the CIA, which overestimated the threat, and by the White House, which probably stretched the bad estimates to build a case for war. If Bush had found other strategic or humanitarian reasons for the war, "he should have argued the case on that basis" ...
-- Editorial page, the
Dallas Morning News (hardly liberal)
Quote:"While intelligence was faulty, the evidence also seems overwhelming that the Bush administration pushed existing evidence well beyond its breaking point, exaggerating threats and claiming specific knowledge of Iraqi WMD where in reality no such knowledge existed."
-- Editorial page,
Atlanta Journal-Constitution (hardly liberal)
Quote:"Was the administration misled, or did it twist what it was told to justify taking down Hussein? A full accounting is due."
-- Editorial page, The
Detroit Free (sic)
Press
Quote:"President Bush should acknowledge two harsh truths: that the intelligence was completely wrong and that administration hawks tried to politicize intelligence."
-- The
Boston Globe
Quote:"Kay's conclusion destroys the remaining credibility of this administration's argument for an immediate, pre-emptive war."
-- The Philadelphia
Inquirer
I wonder how timber's gonna twist out'a this one.
WMD's don't matter, remember? the important thing is that we removed the "worst dictator in human history," and that we have brought "freedom and democracy" to the Iraqi people.
The mess in Iraq is getting messier.
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Suicide Bombers Kill 56 in Attacks on Iraqi Kurds
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By Shamal Aqrawi
ARBIL, Iraq (Reuters) - Two suicide bombers strapped with explosives blew themselves up Sunday in the offices of two Kurdish parties aligned with U.S. occupation forces in northern Iraq (news - web sites), killing at least 56 people and wounding 200.
The Arbil offices of Iraq's two main Kurdish political groups were crowded with senior officials celebrating the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha when the bombers struck, killing many top leaders of the two groups.
Body parts were strewn among the debris and pools of blood congealed on the floor beside shards of shattered glass.
The attack risks heightening ethnic tensions, complicating U.S. plans to hand back sovereignty to Iraqis by end-June.
Wounded people filled the city's hospitals which were in chaos, overstretched with many doctors at home for the holiday. Staff were called back to help, and U.S. helicopters brought medical assistance. Bodies were laid out in the corridors, with weeping relatives trying to identify the corpses.
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari, a Kurd, blamed the attacks on the al Qaeda network or its allies.
"It was an attack by terrorists, al Qaeda and Ansar al-Islam," he said. Several senior Kurdish officials have been targeted in assassination attempts in recent years, attacks they blamed on the Muslim militant Ansar al-Islam group.
The coordinated attacks on the offices of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) were the second-deadliest in Iraq since Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was toppled and marked the first time a major suicide assault involved attackers on foot rather than driving vehicles.
TOLL EXPECTED TO RISE
A senior U.S. military commander said 56 people were killed and 200 wounded. Kurdish officials said the toll would rise.
Officials said security might have been too lax on the Feast of Sacrifice, a sacred day in the Muslim calendar.
"Those who carried out the attacks were trained, experienced and had planned for the operation," said Sadiiq Ziwati, a KDP official in Mosul. "They knew that because of our ethics, we wouldn't be searching everyone who came to wish us a happy Eid."
Peter Galbraith, a former U.S. diplomat and expert on the Kurds who was in Arbil, said the attack could strengthen the hand of Kurdish groups that want to break away from the rest of the country, threatening further chaos in Iraq.
"It is too early to predict the fallout, but the bombings will strengthen those in the Kurdish movement who want to insulate Kurdistan physically and politically from the rest of Iraq," Galbraith said.
Those killed included Sami Abdul-Rahman, deputy prime minister of the KDP government in one half of northern Iraq. Akram Mantik, governor of Arbil province and his deputy Mehdi Khoshnau also died, as did the chief of the KDP headquarters. The top PUK official in Arbil was critically wounded.
"The significance of this is devastating to the leadership of the Kurdish Democratic Party, one of the U.S.'s biggest allies in the war," Galbraith said.
WOLFOWITZ: "WE ARE WINNING"
U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, on a visit to Baghdad, said people like the Arbil attackers would be defeated.
"They're...not about Islam, they're not about Muslims, they're about their own fanatical view of the world and they will kill to try to advance it," he told reporters. "But we are winning and they are losing."
Wolfowitz also defended the decision to invade Iraq, despite mounting evidence intelligence that Saddam possessed an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction was faulty.
Sunday, the White House and key congressional leaders negotiated details of an independent commission to investigate intelligence failures before the Iraq war.
President Bush (news - web sites) had earlier rejected an independent probe amid White House fears of a political witch-hunt by Democrats hoping to unseat him in this year's presidential election, but began in recent days to reconsider the position given the bipartisan pressure for an investigation.
In the town of Balad, north of Baghdad, guerrillas fired rockets at a U.S. supply base Sunday, killing one soldier and wounding 12, the U.S. military said. Twelve Iraqi men and four women were arrested after the attack.
Post Hutton I suppose I have to be careful what I say from now on. It is apparantly against the law in this country to suggest that the govt. knew what it was doing when it produced the September 2002 dossier on Iraq's wmd. I don't know which is worse, to opt into a war to demonstrate our loyalty to the United States, or to send our troops into battle as a necessary consequence resulting from an honest mistake.
Its a bit like someone saying yes we did tell you to invade Iraq. But it was a mistake, we meant Iran. Mr Bush was looking at a map upside down. Its easily done the wmd are in Iran not Iraq, its only one letter different anyway, and the two countries are right next door to each other. We didn't deliberately send you to the wrong country, you must believe that. And dont suggest otherwise or YOU ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.
Whorotwits
This man is blatant liar and a warmongering fascist. Recently he put out a statement saying that the US will nuetralize the Kurds. Turkey will no allow a sovereign Kurdish state. The Kurds captured Saddam but didn't get the monetary reward. A deal was struck regarding their territory. Will the US back up that deal? I seriously doubt it. They will be betrayed just like the last time.