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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 10:16 am
Quote:
Why? Endemic corruption? Incompetence? Nah ... its because they work together (obviously) with another UN agency, UNPFA (sp?) - to which the US already suspended its contributions earlier - because it doesnt implement an anti-abortion policy.


Nimh, thank you for posting this.

I cannot state how unbelievably angry this turn of events make me. I am gonna go take a walk and try and cool down.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 10:36 am
nimh wrote (re US threats to deny or cancel or reduce funding to international aid groups and activities who do not share the administration's extreme policies on sex ed and abortion)
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This is just vindictive.


Yes, it is. But vindictiveness is clearly a operational strategy of this administration.

I had previously assumed that the source of this was Rove (the various past incidents re McCain and earlier election dirtiness, and the DiIulio recounting of hearing Rove screaming in his office "We will fuk him like he's never been fukked before!").

But a very good book I'm reading now ("Gang of Five" by Nina J Easton) recounts the political histories of five major figures from the new right, each now very powerful (Grover Norquist, Bill Kristol, Ralph Reed and two others) and its becoming clear that Norquist and Reed (as far as I've read so far) are equally as vindictive as Rove. This is REALLY a bad bunch. The more I dig down into this, the more negative and dangerous is the reality than even I suspected. When I'm done the book, I'll try to lay this story out in some detail. But if you guys can get your hands on this book, please do so.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 11:14 am
Text of a letter sent by Archbishop of Canterbury Dr David Rowan and Archbishop of York Dr David Hope on behalf of British Anglican Bishops to the British Prime Minister Tony Blair on 30th June 2004: The letter criticises the conduct of coalition forces in Iraq during the aftermath of the Gulf War. It condemns human rights abuses against Iraqi detainees.
From the BBC website

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Dear Prime Minister,
During their annual meeting earlier this month, the bishops of the Church of England discussed recent developments in Iraq and the Middle East.

It was the wish of those present that we should write to you to put on record a number of the points made during the discussion.

At the same time as we were meeting, the United Nations Security Council unanimously endorsed Resolution 1546.

We warmly welcome the clear international consensus this now expresses on the importance of the transfer of sovereignty to a transitional Iraqi government.

There are bound to be further testing times before elections can be held there and the future arrangements for governance established.

Sustaining a wide measure of international support, under the auspices of the United Nations, should be a key objective during this period.

We believe that the priority now must be to do everything possible to help the Iraqi people to rebuild their own country after many years of oppression and hardship.

The establishment and maintenance of the rule of law are clearly prerequisites for stability and eventual prosperity.

Yet, the credibility of coalition partners in advocating respect for the law and the peaceful resolution of disputes will, we fear, be undermined unless the necessary moral authority is clearly demonstrated at every level.

It is all the more important and challenging as a task when murderous and arbitrary violence, which we condemn utterly, is being used against westerners and others in Iraq.

It is clear that the apparent breach of international law in relation to the treatment of Iraqi detainees has been deeply damaging.

The appearance of double standards inevitably diminishes the credibility of Western governments with the people of Iraq and of the Islamic world more generally.

More fundamentally still, there is a wider risk to our own integrity if we no longer experience a sense of moral shock at the enormity of what appears to have been inflicted on those who were in the custody of western security forces.

We welcome the assurances of the British and American authorities about their determination to establish the facts and bring those responsible to justice.

Nevertheless, there remain serious questions over how such brutal and indecent behaviour could have come about.

Since September 11, 2001, the moral case for making counter-terrorism capabilities more effective has not been in doubt.

This needs, however, to be achieved in a way that avoids any perception that the commitment of Western governments¿ to internationally agreed standards on the treatment of detainees is diminished.

Perceptions can be as important as the reality in terms of the signals which they send to members of the security forces about what constitutes acceptable conduct.

We cannot afford to be other than tenacious in our commitment to the Geneva Convention and other relevant international agreements.

Among Muslim and Arab opinion another litmus test of our respect both for human rights and for international agreements is our stance on the continuing Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

It is of course a matter of historical record that UN Security Council Resolution 242 - the reference point for all attempts to provide a settlement since 1967 - was a British proposal.

The terms of an eventual settlement must, ultimately, be for the Israelis and Palestinians themselves.

Nevertheless, British willingness down the years to respect the legitimate interests of both sides in the conflict has previously enabled our representatives, in partnership with others, to be accepted on both sides as honest brokers.

It is vitally important that this position is not eroded.

International tensions have undoubtedly been exacerbated by attempts to cast many problems in crude terms of religious confrontation, most obviously between Muslims and Christians.

In calling on the government to take the necessary action to counter these perceptions we accept that we too have a part to play.

Many of us have been working with Islamic leaders in our own communities, nationally and indeed internationally, to build greater trust and mutual understanding wherever they are threatened.

Within the wider Christian community we also have theological work to do to counter those interpretations of the Scriptures from outside the mainstream of the tradition which appear to have become increasingly influential in fostering an uncritical and one-sided approach to the future of the Holy Land.

The need for resolve and determination in the face of terrorism is not in doubt.

Nor is the need to nurture greater understanding between religious communities and promote religious freedom.

In our view the way forward is give a lead in showing that respect for human dignity, the rule of law and religious freedom are indivisible.

As a new chapter opens in Iraq and as the search continues for an end to the present cycle of violence in the Middle East, we urge our government to keep these principles at the heart of its own policy making.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 11:19 am
And its signed +Rowan Cantaur
+David Ebor
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 11:21 am
Escape From the Green Zone
July 1, 2004
By MAUREEN DOWD

You'd think that President Bush would have learned by now
to keep those snappy aphorisms to himself.

Gonna get Osama dead or alive.
Or neither.

Gonna smoke
Osama out of his cave.
When exactly?

Bring 'em on.
Please don't.

Mission Accomplished.
Not.

Let freedom
reign.
Couldn't Karl Rove and his minions at least get that
"ad-lib" right about freedom ringing?

Not gonna cut and run.
We can't cut, but we certainly ran.


Paul Bremer scuttled out of Baghdad so fast, he didn't even
wait for the new ambassador, John Negroponte, to arrive so
he could pass along some safety tips. Mr. Negroponte,
assuming the most perilous diplomatic post in the world, is
going to need all the security advice he can get if Iraq
keeps slouching toward Islamic fundamentalism and rampant
terrorism.

The administration went from Shock and Awe to Sneak and
Shirk. Gotta run, guys - keep chins up and heads down. The
Bush crowd pretended the country was free and able to stand
on its own, even as the odd manner in which Mr. Bremer
scooted away showed that it wasn't. The president acted as
if Iraq was in control, but our forces can't come home
because Iraq's still out of control.

As Paul Bremer was sneaking out, Ahmad Chalabi, the
swindler who has bilked America out of millions, was
sneaking in. He was smiling from ear to ear at the
swearing-in ceremony for the new prime minister, Iyad
Allawi (a ceremony so secretive that coalition officials
confiscated reporters' cellphones to enforce an embargo on
the news for security reasons).

If Americans needed any more confirmation that they're
viewed as loathed occupiers, not beloved liberators, it
came with the sad little spectacle of a hasty, heavily
guarded hand-over that no Iraqi John Trumbell will
memorialize in an oil painting of the Declaration of Iraqi
Independence.

Dick Cheney and the neocons had once hoped for a grand
Independence Day celebration, no doubt, where Saddam's
toppled statue once loomed, dreaming of a parade of Iraqi
high school pep squads and the Iraqi Olympic bobsled team;
sky boxes for Halliburton executives; grateful Iraqis,
cheering and crying; President Bush making a surprise
drop-in from the NATO summit meeting in nearby Turkey, with
"Mission Accomplished" pen sets for the new government;
Katie, Matt and Diane beaming it back to proud Americans.

Instead, there was no real transfer of power because there
was no power to transfer. It was a virtual transfer, just
the way the rationale for war was virtual and the shift of
Saddam's custody to Iraq is virtual. The Bush team is not
going to trust Iraqi security to hang onto Saddam because
it doesn't even know yet whether Iraqi security can hang
onto the country. With rumblings in Iraq that a strongman
may be needed to tamp down the anarchy, what if the old
Baathist crowd rushed to crown Saddam, instead of his foes
storming the prison to "hack him to pieces," as Mr. Bremer
speculated on the "Today" show?

Mr. Bremer's escape from the Green Zone was uncomfortably
reminiscent of the last days of Saigon. No one was hanging
onto the skids of helicopters, but the mood was furtive,
not festive. American troops are still trapped in Iraq and
being killed there, and 5,600 ex-soldiers are being
involuntarily recalled in America's undeclared draft.

The White House pretended that the sovereignty was real.
The administration that is loath to share information and
presidential papers - even to help the 9/11 investigation
find ways to make the country more secure - quickly turned
over a photo of Mr. Bush's handwritten "Let freedom reign!"
comment on Condi Rice's note to him announcing the
transfer.

But it rings - or reigns - hollow in a week when Sandra Day
O'Connor and the Supremes - except the Bush family fixer
Clarence Thomas - slapped the commander in chief for
torturing without a license. "A state of war is not a blank
check for the president," the court ruled.

Still, Mr. Bremer put the best foot forward. Noting that
the ex-proconsul was standing on the White House lawn still
in the boots he wore with suits in Iraq, Charlie Gibson of
ABC asked the escapee how he felt.

"Well, it's like having a rather large weight lifted off my
shoulders," he said. "I'm delighted to be back."

If only our soldiers could say the same.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/opinion/01DOWD.html?ex=1089680669&ei=1&en=e5ea07b48a327a54

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 12:12 pm
She's quite a gall our Maureen
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 12:23 pm
Nice article, c.i.

Cycloptichorn
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 12:40 pm
To the point, now we can work on "reigning" in the Imposter in Chief Exclamation
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 01:42 pm
Bill, Unfortunately half the voters of America still thinks Imposter Bush should be reelected. It's disconcerting to think so many still trust this criminal to humanity. It still mystifies me that this 'christian' person can sleep after being responsible for the killing of over 10,000 innocent humans. Fifty percent of Americans don't have any guilt of this action, and that's another mystery - and most call themselves christians too.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 01:54 pm
There is a shift happening, I can feel it. However, all Bush has to do to stop the shift is give them a reason to believe.

My belief right now is that a full 33-40% on both sides (ie, 66-80% total) of the voting population is deadset for and against - no matter what else. That is a small number of undecided. Remember, the question is "If the election were held today....". I am saying "Who will you vote for in November.....". Eighty percent is a startling figure.

It also shows just how divisive Bush is.....
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 02:03 pm
Not tryin' to cramp yer style, Bill, but this damned thread is more than 100 pages, even with 50 posts per page . . . so i've created a new home for the undead thread:

Iteration VII

Alright folks, move along, nothin' to see here . . .
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 03:18 pm
Quote:
Yes, it is. But vindictiveness is clearly a operational strategy of this administration.


Blatham, I need to understand this statement of yours.

Where does vindictiveness enter into GWB's doctrinaire attitude toward abortion? His attitude and thought here is his dogma. Vindictiveness does not enter into it. I am appalled by the full-stop he has brought to world health issues by exclusion of certain aspects of education and learning about sexual issues.

He sees this issue in black and white, and he sees our assistance internationally as a moral issue, not an issue of public health.

But vindictive? Help me here.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 03:25 pm
Kara, see above

Iteration VII = http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=770603#770603 :wink:
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 05:06 pm
The Kaiser Foundation had some very pointed statistics about Uganda's recent success, which can be found near the end of nimh's thread---something about Uganda's AIDS crisis Raising Interesting Qs...

It seems the Abstinence aspect of what was done there impacted their success moreso than the Condom aspect. I will never say condoms aren't important, but abstinence is equally important.

Perhaps Bush wants to focus on Prevention of unprotected sex, rather than the clean up at the end of the problem.

Obviously, if a unwanted baby has resulted in sex--the sex was not safe--and abortion does not help one iota in prevention of AIDS. I think he has a great point. Abortion doesn't teach anyone about safe sex-- I don't say that we should help at all, if the plan includes abortion--but maybe the FOCUS of the plan is in question.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2004 09:00 am
Sofia see:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2004 09:17 am
So, we're not posting here anymore?
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2004 09:21 am
Quick as a Bush you are, McG Rolling Eyes
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2004 09:33 am
Perhaps I should have laid the sarcasm on a bit thicker? But, then you would not have posted after me...
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2004 09:35 am
Your intelligence precedes you, try and catch up Exclamation This is really Bush, right Question The lungs are working, but there's nobody home.....

But, I forgive you - it is our way Shocked
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2004 11:25 am
Oh what the hay! Let's insert a constructive post here so you leftists can have something else to deplore!

Foreign Policy Research Institute

IRAQ: THE NEXT STAGE
by Keith W. Mines

June 28, 2004

Keith Mines is a Political-Military Officer in the U.S.
Embassy in Budapest. He was assigned to service with the
Coalition Provisional Authority from August 2003 to January
2004. The views expressed in this essay are those of the
author alone and do not necessarily reflect those of the
U.S. government.

Quote:
IRAQ: THE NEXT STAGE

by Keith W. Mines

SUMMARY
Nestled between the two key events on the road to full Iraqi
sovereignty - the selection of the Interim Government in May
2004 and elections in January 2005, there is an obscure
event that has to date been treated as mere window dressing.
In reality, the national gathering envisioned by Ambassador
Brahimi for July 2004 may be the key to the entire process.
It deserves far more attention than it has been given.
There are several disconnects in the current Iraqi political
progression. First, the presence of foreign security forces
is provoking the very instability that must diminish in
order for the process to work. Second, there is a veritable
chasm between the international selection of the new Iraqi
leaders, which lacks legitimacy, and national elections,
which are still many months and innumerable hurdles away.
The national gathering could help to bridge these gaps and
disconnects, and should be strongly promoted with the new
Iraqi leadership. A national gathering that legitimizes the
selection of the new leadership and captures the attention
of the Iraqi people with a major Iraqi-run political event,
tied directly to the phased, scheduled withdrawal of the
coalition security forces into cantonments, would set the
conditions for successful elections. Without this it is
difficult to see how the end-state of a stable, self-
governing Iraq will be reached.

HURDLES TO STABILITY
I would badly like to be optimistic for Iraq and believe
that the new interim government will see the country through
to elections and a stable government in six months. It is
possible that this will happen; initial soundings are that
many Iraqis find the method of selecting the new government
troublesome, but are pleased that it is finally their
government and will give it a chance. But the hurdles to
this government leading the country to viable elections and
a stable transition are still immense.

First, there is an innate disconnect between the requirement
for security that the coalition forces must stay to implant,
and the instability that the presence of these same forces
causes. This disconnect will continue to grow. With the
military setbacks of Kufa, Najaf and Fallujah, in which
insurgents and irregular forces skillfully combined
fanatical, if militarily unskilled fighting, with the use of
religious terrain to battle the coalition to a standstill,
Iraqis now know that the U.S. can be beaten. This combines
with the inflammatory photos from Abu Ghraib to ignite
widespread willingness to fight the coalition, or at least
to give sanctuary to those who fight. This trend of
increasing combativeness will likely grow, loosely coupled
with the growing desire of foreign fighters to see the
coalition, and anything associated with it, fail.

Second, the political body we have ceded sovereignty to will
have little national legitimacy and an inability, due to
security concerns, to travel and perform even the most basic
functions of government. While there was hope at one point
that this would be a new body with legitimacy among the
Iraqi people, in the end it is essentially a remake of the
Governing Council, and will likely be the same kind of Green
Zone government as its predecessor. It is clear now that
any governing body that can be traced back to the coalition
will lack the essential legitimacy to govern effectively.

Third, it is difficult to envision how anything even
remotely resembling a credible national election could be
held in six months time without a significant boost to
security and stability. The extreme security conditions and
the associated problems they bring to travel, especially for
foreigners, will make it difficult for election teams to
physically prepare the country for elections, and the same
security concerns and questions of legitimacy will seriously
limit the participation of key elements of society in the
electoral process.

A FIREBREAK
If this is to work, what is needed is to implant a firebreak
between the coalition and the ultimate Iraqi government that
emerges from elections, and to radically enhance popular
support for the process. One source of our failure to date
stems from an inability to go beyond the Coalition selection
of leaders (who ultimately lack legitimacy) as we wait for
the legitimate election of new leaders (which is still many
months away). An interim step is needed, a mechanism
whereby Iraqis see that the process of selecting their
leadership and the decision on the ultimate form of
government they embrace, has been fully ceded to them, not
continually manipulated by outside forces. Until they see
this they will not cooperate in the provision of security
and without security we will end up with a long and bloody
six month lead-up to elections that in turn yields a weak
and unstable government at the end of the process.

There is a natural mechanism for this firebreak in the
second of the three key events that have been laid out on
the path to full Iraqi sovereignty. Nestled between the
US/UN selection of the IIG but before national elections in
January 2005, there is talk of a national conference to be
held in July 2004. This gathering, which appears to be mere
window dressing to the more important events, could in
reality be the keystone to the entire process. A national
gathering, properly held, could provide Iraq with the
security and political stability it needs to make it through
the national election with a functional government.

To fully capitalize on the national gathering it should be
tied directly to a declared, phased withdrawal of coalition
troops back to cantonments, and ultimately out of the
country. These two events, properly stage-managed, could
capture the attention and the support of the Iraqi middle
ground and rapidly start to squeeze out the operating space
of the insurgents.

A LOYA JIRGA AND A PHASED WITHDRAWAL
I would envision a three-step step process following the
transfer of sovereignty on June 28:

1) A large national gathering for July or August is
announced prior to the handover. The rough parameters of
this gathering would be as follows:

* 50 persons per province selected through a
caucus system run by Iraqis (each province would
be different, in some the Governor has enough
credibility to manage a popular selection, in
others the current Provincial Council has adequate
legitimacy to simply show up, in some the
judiciary could run a new process).

* Gathering held on a secure location in Iraq (one
of the isolated air bases such as Al Asad for
example).

* Internal security provided exclusively by Iraq
security forces, with coalition providing an
outer, invisible cordon.

* Secretariat selected by the gathering; no
foreign presence, even of observers, except such
technical experts that are invited by the body.

* Gathering would develop its own mandate, but its
first task would be to approve the current interim
administration and change any ministers or leaders
who do not meet the body's approval.
* No time limits on how long the body would take
to conduct its work (four weeks would be a good
planning figure).

* All open proceedings televised on Iraqi
television and international networks. Major
political theater.

* The gathering would finish its work by voting
itself down to an interim parliament of
approximately 100-200 individuals which would have
a transitional mandate alongside the interim
government. This would not be an advisory body,
but would have real power.

2) Coalition forces would agree that with the successful
conclusion of this process the force would withdraw into
approximately 10 cantonments, with a further reduction
announced, say to 7 in January, then 5, then 3, where it
would end in the spring of 2005. The assumption that a
withdrawal of the coalition would leave a security vacuum is
highly questionable. Most of the current violence is
directed against the coalition and those who are aligned
with it. Coalition forces are not only not stopping most of
the violence, they are the active force which is provoking
it. Their withdrawal would leave many areas more passive,
not more unstable. Their main mission by the winter of 2005
would be to ensure there is no massing of insurgent and
anti-regime forces, focused on the survival of the regime,
not street security per se. A force of this type could be
much smaller than the current force and would travel far
less. This would at the same time remove the provocation
that the current force brings with it, while allowing the
withdrawal to take place on our terms, lest our enemies feel
they chased us out of the country. If the force ultimately
falls under a UN mandate and is blue helmeted, it should be
made to appear as an entirely new force. The latter would,
on the other hand, leave considerably more options in terms
of how it is deployed and used.

3) In partnership with the UN, the new government and
national assembly would work for the holding of elections.
If the national gathering has yielded a strong, legitimate
transitional government, the date for elections could be
delayed beyond January 2005. This would be the sovereign
decision of the legitimate Iraqi government. This may be
essential as it is not at all clear that elections will be
possible while the coalition is still in Iraq. If the level
of violence will not diminish until the coalition departs,
this national assembly could buy the time that is required
to allow for a withdrawal and preparations for proper
elections.

SUPPORT TO THE POLITICAL PROCESS
A national gathering for Iraq will provide a number of key
supports to the political process.

First, it will allow for the natural emergence of national
leaders. To date leaders in Iraq have either been local or
have been hopelessly tainted by their association with the
coalition. The fact that there is no Karzai in Iraq is
troublesome, but perhaps more troublesome is the fact that
even if there were a Karzai he would have no way to gain a
national platform. This process would help provide that.

Second, the Iraqi people would, for the first time, be able
to see their nation as a nation. It would not always be
pretty. There would be speeches of recrimination and much
finger-wagging. There would be displays of tribalism and
contention, walk-outs and protests. There may be violence
to try to disrupt the gathering. But through all of it
there would be Iraqi leaders sitting down with other Iraqi
leaders and finding national solutions to their people's
problems. The visuals alone would be worth the effort.

Third, the process would have legitimacy. I managed a
provincial council caucus in January 2004 that brought
together over 5,000 Iraqis to select Al Anbar's leadership
and learned a good deal about how Iraqis view the question
of legitimacy. What many of us found locally, was that if
Iraqis were given a framework for caucuses which they agreed
to, they would accept them as legitimate. But it had to be
a system with their full involvement and participation,
where outsiders provided only the framework, not the actual
end-state. This has worked fairly well at the local level
and has led to strong local bodies. It should be replicated
at the national level.

Fourth, a national conference would jump-start the national
political process, which is moribund. It would bring
together parties, civic organizations, professional
groupings, tribal organizations, and allow for controlled
cross-over of ethnic and tribal groups. It would be a
testing for these groups and allow the stronger and more
dynamic organizations and leaders to gain prominence while
the less dynamic among them fade away.

CONCLUSION
A Loya Jirga is not a panacea for Iraq, there are still a
host of things that can and will go wrong and many reasons
why the entire project could still fail. But a properly
supported national gathering, well-publicized and televised
within Iraq and to the outside world, could provide the
crucial bridge between the selection of the interim
government and the ultimate election of new leadership by
the Iraqi people. It would also refurbish some of the
tarnished image of the coalition at a crucial time. By
visibly shifting the locus of Iraq's political development
away from international actors and to large numbers of
Iraqis, it could provide a crucial boost that will tamp down
the violence while strengthening the very fragile political
process, giving the new government that emerges from all
this a chance of success.
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