THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

Brand X wrote:

Gelisgesti wrote:
When did the pursuit of a minor cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, for alledged crimes, become more important than the pursuit of those responcible for the murder of three thousand people on 9/11?
Where is this administration leading us?

Who said it did?

X, do you really think they are looking for Bin Ladin in Najaf? Puhleeaze. Troops are killed every day in the attempt to kill or capture a man that may have had something to do with the assasination of a fellow cleric ...... how is that our business? They have Iraqi judges and police in place to deal with domestic wrong doers, American troops need not die.

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Kara wrote:

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When did the pursuit of a minor cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, for alledged crimes, become more important than the pursuit of those responcible for the murder of three thousand people on 9/11?
Where is this administration leading us?

D., this has always been the question. And will be the continuing one.

We lost sight of the target, found another target, zeroed in on same, found it elusive and illusory, and we are back at square one.

Thousand of words have been written about what we have done, why we did it, what will be the consequences. I feel that I am an observer, removed, as were so many of us against the war, so NOT saying I told you so, still hoping for a less than disastrous outcome.

Have you noticed that the mention of soldiers killed or wounded in Iraq is not on the front page any more? That story is trumped by gas prices, unemployment figures....

B. ........ what we are witnessing is layers of lies and deception from WMD's to prisoner abuse. Does anyone believe that those troops brought head bags and dog leashes with them from their home town s&m parlors. We set up Saddam's 30 year reign of terror and now we are attempting to repeat the same act of lunacy with a Saddam wannabe. Alawi, a Bathist intelligence office in Saddam's elite guard is but the first 'puppet' to be installed. Thirty years from now, with another greed inspired group of people, more innocents will pay for our failure to demand a moral leadership.

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Gelisgesti wrote:

Brand X wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
When did the pursuit of a minor cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, for alledged crimes, become more important than the pursuit of those responcible for the murder of three thousand people on 9/11?
Where is this administration leading us?

Who said it did?

X, do you really think they are looking for Bin Ladin in Najaf? Puhleeaze. Troops are killed every day in the attempt to kill or capture a man that may have had something to do with the assasination of a fellow cleric ...... how is that our business? They have Iraqi judges and police in place to deal with domestic wrong doers, American troops need not die.

The reason I don't quite agree with you is simple.

This is an election year, and what would all but insure Bush keeping his job?

Answer: Catching bin Laden.

My guess is the troops in Afghanistan are being run ragged in that search, it just isn't in the news everyday like Iraq.

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Brand X wrote:

Gelisgesti wrote:
Brand X wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
When did the pursuit of a minor cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, for alledged crimes, become more important than the pursuit of those responcible for the murder of three thousand people on 9/11?
Where is this administration leading us?

Who said it did?

X, do you really think they are looking for Bin Ladin in Najaf? Puhleeaze. Troops are killed every day in the attempt to kill or capture a man that may have had something to do with the assasination of a fellow cleric ...... how is that our business? They have Iraqi judges and police in place to deal with domestic wrong doers, American troops need not die.

The reason I don't quite agree with you is simple.

This is an election year, and what would all but insure Bush keeping his job?

Answer: Catching bin Laden.

My guess is the troops in Afghanistan are being run ragged in that search, it just isn't in the news everyday like Iraq.

Bin Ladin's capture will help Bush less than Saddam's capture. Iraq is and will be on the voters minds more than Bin Ladin. Why is this certain? Because that is the way it was setup, by Bush and his 'gang that could'nt shoot straight'. Why do you think he has shown no concern over the budget?
His own words ... 'I am a war time President'.

That said .... the man has lost all gravitas .... or I should say what little he ever had.

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I also agree that catching bin Ladin will be a non-issue. People have very short memories; remember when this admin made such a big deal out of catching Saddam? He wasn't even a bump in the raod; all but forgotten. Everybody knows terrorism has grown around this world, and the need for bin Ladin is moot.

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Responding to objections by several UN Security Council members, the US and Britain have presented a revised Iraq draft resolution . According to the new resolution, US-led troops will withdraw from Iraq when a fully representative government takes power after democratic elections are held at the end of 2005. The revised draft also stresses that the new Iraqi government will have full control over Iraqi security forces.

[HERE the LINK to the revised draft UN resolution on Iraq being circulated by the US and UK at the Security Council (from the BBC).]

Reaction to the new draft resolution has been mixed. Although he called the developments optimistic, Karsten Voight, from Germany's Foreign Ministry, said that "the decisive point is not only whether the Security Council members can reach an agreement but that Iraqis on the ground get a strong feeling from its decision that they are really in control again now." A Chinese diplomat has said that the restoration of "full sovereignty has not been fully reflected" in the text.

The UK Press Association has more (from The Scotsman).

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I also agree that catching bin Ladin will be a non-issue. People have very short memories; remember when this admin made such a big deal out of catching Saddam? He wasn't even a bump in the raod; all but forgotten. Everybody knows terrorism has grown around this world, and the need for bin Ladin is moot.

Didn't we just have a thread that demonstrated that terrorism has fallen? Do you have some sort of documentation to back up your information C.I.?

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Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Spain, and much more terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. Haven't you been reading the media reports?

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So you were referring to regional and not global terrorism rates?

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If you don't count the attacks on America, then the level of global terrorism has been pretty low these last few years.

Or by regional did you mean any terrorism that doesn't affect America?

Cycloptichorn

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McGentrix wrote:

So you were referring to regional and not global terrorism rates?

Mcggentrix, you make it sound like there is a difference between the two .... is there ... if so please document

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NeoCons need to get on the same page. There is no "regional" terrorism according to Bush doctrine. Is this just more obfuscation Question

Me thinks so - after all, Bush has created the culture for more terrorism..............

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Gelisgesti wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
So you were referring to regional and not global terrorism rates?

Mcggentrix, you make it sound like there is a difference between the two .... is there ... if so please document

You want me to document C.I.'s claim? Laughing

I am waiting for the same documentation...

(But, surely you can see a difference between regional and global escalation and reduction right? See, one goes up while the other goes down...)

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Gelisgesti wrote:

When did the pursuit of a minor cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, for alledged crimes, become more important than the pursuit of those responcible for the murder of three thousand people on 9/11?
Where is this administration leading us?

Excellent questions.

There are two things that must be accomplished before the TMM (i.e., Terrorist Murderers and Maimers) can be fully eradicated. First, the known TMM must be eradicated. Second, the conditions which contribute to the recruitment of TMM must be eradicated. Moqtada al-Sadr was/is a major obstructionist of the second accomplishment. I believe that second accomplishment can be achieved by the US helping the inhabitants therein secure individual liberty for all innocent people in the Middle East.

I hope that is where the administration is leading us. I admit I am unsure. Consequently, I look for as many ways as I can think of to influence the administration to lead us in the direction I hope for.

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How foolish of me to think that the war on terrorism was regional. My mistake.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

How foolish of me to think that the war on terrorism was regional. My mistake.

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So is that to say it is or is not different?

Should it be that if terrorism is carried out in your back yard it would be consdiered global, someone else's back yard ... regional? I would think global would be inclusive of the globe.

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perhaps the Bush cabal is still operating under the flat-earth view rendering "global" in a different context.

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Gelisgesti wrote:

So is that to say it is or is not different?

Should it be that if terrorism is carried out in your back yard it would be consdiered global, someone else's back yard ... regional? I would think global would be inclusive of the globe.

Who are you talking to? Me? If you don't understand the difference between regional and global, then you are a freakin' idiot. As you do not seem to be a freakin' idiot, I assume you are playing coy and I do not understand why.

Try www.webster.com if you really do not understand the difference.

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The TMM (i.e., Terrorist Murderers and Maimers) are international murderers and maimers.

Currently the TMM are concentrating on the people of the Middle East. That's fortunate for the rest of the world but horrible for the people of the Middle East.

The only plus if the TMM remain so concentrated, is that the TMM will be easier to eradicate where concentrated than where dispersed.

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