Just When Was Chrst Made God?

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Frodo very nice opening statement!

I am of the same mind as you are on the subject of the divinity of Christ.

Which religion is your research from?

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So Frodo,

You don't believe in the Holy Trinity? God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

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If Jesus Christ is not God then what is he?

Did he preexist his birth in Bethlehem?

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Yeah...c'mon Frodo. Tell these good folks what your wild guesses about reality are...so that they can compare them with their wild guesses.

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Momma Angel wrote:

So Frodo,

You don't believe in the Holy Trinity? God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Jesus is the son of God, not God the son...

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RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
So Frodo,

You don't believe in the Holy Trinity? God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Jesus is the son of God, not God the son...

Or then again...maybe he was just some guy who shared some ideas and got tacked up because of it.

But I am really interested in all your many, different wild guesses about all this. Truly...it is fascinating.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Frodo wrote:
I am a Christian. But some people who also claim to be Christians too believe that Jesus Christ was God - a belief that goes beyond what the Bible teaches about Him.

What they do not understand is that Jesus Christ is a man and never been the true God for there is only one God who is the Father in heaven.

The Jesus-is-God doctrine was just a man-made doctrine declared as scriptural after the Council of Nicaea convened in 325AD.

Therefore, I quoted:

"But our recognition of Him ought to be in accordance with what the Bible prescribes. Anything beyond this would go against the expressed will of God. "

I understand that.

Now try to understand me.

Who made the Bible the expressed will of God?

God

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Rex quoted my question

Quote:

Who made the Bible the expressed will of God?

and then wrote:

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God

Now there is an interesting wild guess.

Thank you for sharing it.

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Setanta wrote:

"Just When Was Chrst Made God? "

Not really sure who you mean by Chrst, but if you mean that Jewish fellah, that was a week ago Tuesday.

Is there more than one Christ?

Smile

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Rex quoted my question
Quote:
Who made the Bible the expressed will of God?

and then wrote:

Quote:

God

Now there is an interesting wild guess.

Thank you for sharing it.

hehe

"The Bible tells me so..."

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Momma Angel wrote:

Okay, thank you. Another question. Do you believe in the Second Coming of Christ?

Christ Jesus will next return "for" his saints then he will return "with" his saints...

Smile

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Yeah...c'mon Frodo. Tell these good folks what your wild guesses about reality are...so that they can compare them with their wild guesses.

Yeah, Frodo; You've been quiet for so long. What!? You want to see the rest of us fight it out for 2 or 3 years? Then you will make up your mind?

Is that fair, Frank? To ask a question and take a vacation?

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RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
Okay, thank you. Another question. Do you believe in the Second Coming of Christ?

Christ Jesus will next return "for" his saints then he will return "with" his saints...

This is one event, not two.

1 Thes 4:14........... them also which sleep (have died) in Jesus will God bring with him.

15.................. we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven............and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (Christ and the saints He has brought with Him).................

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Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
So Frodo,

You don't believe in the Holy Trinity? God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Jesus is the son of God, not God the son...

Or then again...maybe he was just some guy who shared some ideas and got tacked up because of it.

But I am really interested in all your many, different wild guesses about all this. Truly...it is fascinating.

For someone who claims to not know... you seem to always want to push the conversation away from a possible "spiritual" understanding? Is there really any harm at looking at things spiritually? Doesn't it just provide another "possibly" abstract perspective? Are you so sure this perspective is without it's merit? Are you so sure there is not a spiritual element to compliment the physical? Jesus may not have been God but that does not mean he does not have a spark of the divine...

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real life wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Okay, thank you. Another question. Do you believe in the Second Coming of Christ?

Christ Jesus will next return "for" his saints then he will return "with" his saints...

This is one event, not two.

1 Thes 4:14........... them also which sleep (have died) in Jesus will God bring with him.

15.................. we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven............and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (Christ and the saints He has brought with Him).................

Yes, that is one event but the event spoken of here is not "judgment day"... [the church/saints are not under the law so we are not judged] but it is "the gathering day"... On the gathering day the lord comes "for" the church. [the church on the gathering day is "cleansed", "rewarded" and we receive "the new body"...] It is not resurrection day because some people will be alive. In order to have a resurrection all must be dead... After the gathering day some will be left alive on the earth...

So on this day some are alive and some are asleep, they [those who confess Christ] are raised together to meet the lord in the air, not on the earth...

On the gathering day, The mortal [those alive in Christ] puts on immortality and corruption [those asleep in Christ] puts on incorruption.

1 Corinthians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Comment:
After the gathering day, the remaining people on the earth will eventually all die... [Armageddon] then there will be a resurrection day/judgment day/the lords day... that is the lords day when he comes "with" his saints...

There are two parts of the end... there is the end, and then there is the end of the end... [talos]

In the first coming, Christ Jesus returns "for" his saints on the gathering day...
In the second part of the end he returns "with" his saints on judgment day...

The saints are the born again believers of the body of Christ... the dead in Christ Jesus are sleeping awaiting the first return... the gathering day.

Smile

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RexRed wrote:

real life wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Okay, thank you. Another question. Do you believe in the Second Coming of Christ?

Christ Jesus will next return "for" his saints then he will return "with" his saints...

This is one event, not two.

1 Thes 4:14........... them also which sleep (have died) in Jesus will God bring with him.

15.................. we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven............and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (Christ and the saints He has brought with Him).................

Yes, that is one event but the event spoken of here is not "judgment day"... [the church/saints are not under the law so we are not judged] but it is "the gathering day"... On the gathering day the lord comes "for" the church. [the church on the gathering day is "cleansed", "rewarded" and we receive "the new body"...] It is not resurrection day because some people will be alive. In order to have a resurrection all must be dead... After the gathering day some will be left alive on the earth...

This event in 1 Thes 4 is the Coming (Greek --parousia) of the Lord.

It says very clearly that the dead in Christ rise on this day. So they are resurrected.

Then

2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

This verse says the living (quick) and the dead will both be judged at His appearing (same word , Greek -- parousia)

So judgment day is the same as the coming or parousia of the Lord.

Jesus spoke of those who believed in Him being raised up "on the Last Day" (John 5). There are no more days after the Last Day.

Since He very clearly comes "with" some saints (those who have died) in 1 Thes 4 and also "for" some saints (those who are still alive) in 1 Thes 4, then it is clear these refer to one event only, not two, and not divided into two parts or stages, nor separated by any period of time. It is the Last Day.

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Paul clearly states that all do NOT die ( "we shall not all sleep" 1 Cor 15:51) but when the trump will sound (see also 1 Thes 4:16) the dead shall rise and we (those still alive) will be changed.

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RexRed wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
So Frodo,

You don't believe in the Holy Trinity? God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Jesus is the son of God, not God the son...

Or then again...maybe he was just some guy who shared some ideas and got tacked up because of it.

But I am really interested in all your many, different wild guesses about all this. Truly...it is fascinating.

For someone who claims to not know... you seem to always want to push the conversation away from a possible "spiritual" understanding? Is there really any harm at looking at things spiritually? Doesn't it just provide another "possibly" abstract perspective? Are you so sure this perspective is without it's merit? Are you so sure there is not a spiritual element to compliment the physical? Jesus may not have been God but that does not mean he does not have a spark of the divine...

And you will explain the difference between your "spiritual understanding"...and wild guesses, right?

You guys are obviously making a bunch of wild guesses...which, of course, is one reason why you often come up with different wild guesses.

Wake up, Rex.

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Last week... Tuesday... lunchtime. Now GET OVER IT YOU LOT!!!

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Rex, "231 angels can dance on the head of a pin at the same time."

Neo, "Oh, no, no, no. 632 angels can dance on the head of a pin."

MA, "You folks are all wet. No more than 3 or 4 angels can dance on the head of a pin at one time.

Intrepid, "You are all wrong. There is no limit to the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin at one time."

Frank, "Actually, we don't know if there are any angels...and even if there are...we don't know how many can dance of the head of a pin at one time.

Rex, Intrepid, Neo, MA in unison: Poor Frank. He is stuck with that answer. I feel so sorry for him.

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