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Mr.Piffka's Quotes

 
 
Piffka
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 02:39 pm
Diane -- Thanks. Thanks! I really appreciate your words and I've forwarded them to Mr.P. Maybe we'll get him to continue. I hope so, I was only sharing them with a2kers because I liked them myself.

Meanwhile... I noticed that I had completely missed this:
panzade wrote:
explain that Piff


and also that Ms. Olga had asked for a better explanation of this quote from Byron.

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"…for by many stories,/And true, we learn the angels all are Tories." - Lord George Gordon Byron (1788-1824), The Vision of Judgement


What I found was interesting. First, I had assumed that the quote was a humorous cut against Tories, who were the conservatives of Byron's time. He's being ironic and making fun of Tories who believed that they were annointed by God to be leaders, but I decided to research a bit online & make sure I wasn't missing something. That's true, it was from a satire, but there is more to the story, so I'm giving you a taste of it.

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Here's a sidebar of history regarding Tories of the day:
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In 1811 King George III suffered another bout of insanity. He was no longer able to continue with his royal duties and the Prince of Wales was appointed regent. For years the Prince of Wales had been making promises to the Whigs that he would favour their party when he replaced his Tory father. However, this did not happen, and he quickly became an ultra Tory supporting the policies of Lord Liverpool and his government.

In his youth the Prince of Wales agreed with his friend Charles Fox about the unfairness of the laws that discriminated against Roman Catholics and Protestant Nonconformists. Once in power George changed his views and became a strong opponent of Catholic Emancipation. He also abandoned his support for those Whigs who were arguing for parliamentary reform.

TORY:The word Tories was originally used to describe rural bandits in Ireland. In the 17th century it had become a term applied to monarchists in the House of Commons. By the 18th century the Tories were politicians who favoured royal authority, the established church and who sought to preserve the traditional political structure and opposed parliamentary reform. After 1834 this political group in the House of Commons preferred to use the term Conservative.


I found this website which has the full text of the poem and explains that Byron wrote "The Vision of Judgement" following a previous publication by Robert Southey called "A Vision of Judgement" -- with which he disagreed.

Here's what another author had to say:
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Southey gradually lost his radical opinions and in 1807 he was rewarded by being granted an annual allowance by the Tory government.
In 1821 Southey commemorated the death of George III with his poem A Vision of Judgement. This included an attack on Lord Byron who replied with The Vision of Judgement, one of the great satirical parodies of English literature.


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Interesting, huh? And much more appropriate to our times than I would have known if you two hadn't asked. Thanks. History is so interesting... it sure would be good if we LEARNED from it!
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Diane
 
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Reply Sat 6 Nov, 2004 08:07 pm
Learning from history: what a concept. I can almost hear those in power saying that it really doesn't apply to them, that their situation is too unique...
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 06:49 am
Aw, Piffka, no more daily quotes from Mr P? Really? That's very sad. Sad If he INSISTS on this, then please thank him for months & months of wonderful, stimulating quotes. I'll miss them.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2004 11:09 am
Thanks for the sleuthing piff...that was




COMMENDABLE!
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 01:45 pm
Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

(Ed. note: OK, quitting didn't work, I was just bottling it all up inside. I've gone through and purged all the negative quotes I had piled up, and I'm having a new start.)

--- I'm pleased to say that several of Mr.P's email receipients and the a2k messages I forwarded to him seemed to assuage his despair. Also, I told Mr.P that if he didn't start sending quotes, I would start looking. Very Happy I suspect he felt a real horror that I might mess up the family quoting business. Wink Anyway, he's back.

<Thanks, Pan -- sleuthing's fun>
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 01:59 pm
yes
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 02:55 pm
BBB
WOO HOO!!!
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 06:57 pm
Thank you, Mr P! Very Happy
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 07:42 pm
Smiling...
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 09:15 pm
YIPPEE!!!!!
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:46 am
"You will kill ten of our men, and we will kill one of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it."
Ho Chi Minh (Nguyen That Thanh, 1890-1969)


Thanks to all of you for you helping me convince him to continue; calm reigns again in the Piffka household. Men really need a hobby, y'know? <g>
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:58 am
Ho Chi Minh
Ho Chi Minh was an extraordinary man. ---BBB

Ho Chi Minh:
Program for Communist of Indochina, 1930
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Ho Chi Minh (1890-1968) drafted the following program on February 18, 1930, for a conference of Vietnamese Communists who met in the British colony of Hong Kong.

Workers peasants, soldiers, youth, pupils!

Oppressed and exploited compatriots!

The Communist Party of Indochina is founded. It is the party of the working class. It will help the proletarian class lead the revolution in order to struggle for all the oppressed and exploited people. From now on we must pin the Party, help it and follow it in order to implement the following slogans:


1. To overthrow French imperialism, feudalism, and the reactionary Vietnamese capitalist class.

2.. To make Indochina completely independent.


3. To establish a worker­peasant and soldier government.

4. To confiscate the banks and other enterprises belonging to the imperialists and put them under the control of the worker­peasant and soldier government.

5. To confiscate all of the plantations and property belonging to the imperialists and the Vietnamese reactionary capitalist class and distribute them to poor peasants.

6. To implement the eight­hour working day.

7. To abolish public loans and poll tax. To waive unjust taxes hitting the poor people.

8. To bring back all freedom to the masses.

9. To carry out universal education.

10. To implement equality between man and woman.

Nguyen Ai Quoc (Ho Chi Minh)
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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 10:02 am
Hey - How come I am not getting them then ? Has he decided to remove me from his list ?? Someone of them were great and I actually used them in my work !!!

One of the guyz who was being blasted by me was actually told that to him every problem is a nail, cause he has only a hammer in his tool box !! You just had to be there !!!
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 10:09 am
Hey G! There were some people who objected so strenuously to his quotes that they asked to be removed from the list... and weren't very kind about it. When he decided to re-start, he only sent them to those who had contacted him and asked for him to continue. I'll tell him you've asked, though I know he'd love to hear it from you.

Truly cool that you could use a quote to bash that guy. I wish I'd been there... a fly on the wall (well, maybe a small, but pretty moth) but I know you "nailed" him. Words are more potent than anything, aren't they?

<Hugs> P.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 10:23 am
BBB -- I agree and I think Mr.P would, too, even though as a young man, he fought in Viet Nam. I've passed on your comments.

To me, the quote is not negative... it was prophetic.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 10:50 am
Piffka
Piffka, Monday, I attended my second Lifelong Learning class in a series entitled "The Viet Nam syndrome." I'm finding it one of the most interesting of the several classes I'm taking. The discussions are very provocative and trigger my memories of that era.

I posted the Ho Chi Minh goal because I recall supporting the Port Chicago Seven in Northern California in their opposition to the US getting involved in continuing the French's failed attempt to hold on to their colony. I really took a beating for my position; was called a communist and many other things. It was hard on my children in school, too.

BBB
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 11:23 am
Sounds like a good set of classes, BBB.

Many people are willing to demonize "our enemies" and consider any offer of understanding to be an aiding and abetting. To me, it seems that the USA gets itself into the worst fixes. Will we ever learn from our mistakes?
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2004 08:54 am
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2004 11:53 am
Fine quote, that one.
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 11 Nov, 2004 12:01 pm
C. S. Lewis:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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