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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 09:58 am
@edgarblythe,
True, but government do not create jobs. They must provide the right environment to help private citizens and companies to create jobs. It's not by cutting taxes for the wealthy, but to provide less handicaps for businesses to flourish.

It is my belief that another stim bill should be implemented; our infrastructure needs upkeep, and a further cut in taxes is needed for the middle class. It should also include extended benefits for the unemployed.

The feds need to increase interest rates for savers, and reduce them for borrowers. Charging double-digit interest on credit cards should be outlawed when savers earn less than 1% (less after taxes). The government has created a stupid environment in this period of our economy. High interest rates are tantamount to higher taxes, and takes away from consumer purchasing power. All ass-backwards.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 10:31 am
@cicerone imposter,
Many companies are making huge profits but still not hiring.
revelette
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 10:48 am
@edgarblythe,
You think that is the result of too much progress or merely greed?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 11:02 am
http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/anti-war-republicans-2011-6/

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The Dove in the Room
A new breed of anti-war Republican awaits its champion.


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he good news for the GOP, where 2012 is concerned, is that the worsening economic outlook adds potency to attacks on President Obama over stimulus spending and unemployment. At the same time, in the fight over the deficit—a fight it started—its big idea, Congressman Paul Ryan’s plan to privatize Medicare, has become political kryptonite. Republicans need a new way to claim the responsibility mantle. As it happens, one such issue has been bubbling up from the party’s own membership: pragmatic isolationism.

From the House, where 87 Republicans voted for Dennis Kucinich’s resolution to end the military intervention in Libya, to the set of Morning Joe, whose titular host fulminates about “unwinnable wars,” conservatives are taming their inner hawks. In March, an Ipsos poll reported that 36 percent of Republicans favored cutting defense spending to bring down the federal deficit, just one percentage point fewer than the share preferring to wring the savings from Medicare and Medicaid. A Gallup survey after Osama bin Laden’s death had Republicans split (47 to 47) on whether the U.S. should withdraw from Afghanistan.

That some in the party of Robert Taft are staking out this ground isn’t so surprising. In a 1976 vice-presidential debate, Bob Dole infamously branded the World Wars “Democrat wars”; as a candidate, George W. Bush declared, “I’m not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, ‘This is the way it’s got to be.’ ” Considering how Bush’s world-historical flip-flop on that issue turned out, it’s little wonder Republicans are coming around to his original way of thinking.


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the Intel piece didn't quite the way I'd expected

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There’s one potential GOP presidential aspirant, however, who may be up to the task. Once an avowed neocon, this prominent Republican recently outlined a new foreign-policy doctrine notable for its sense of restraint: “We should only commit our forces when clear and vital American interests are at stake. Period … We can’t fight every war, we can’t undo every injustice in the world.” You can practically see the campaign slogan, emblazoned across a bus as it leads reporters on a wild-goose chase: “Come home, America. Vote Palin.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 11:03 am
@edgarblythe,
That's because labor cost of their off-shore branches allows them to still charge US prices for goods; Apple computer is a good example. Most of their products are produced in China, but they can still charge US prices for their iPads and iPhones that increases their profit. However, to be fair, Apple Computer has a very large campus in Cupertino, and they've even expanded close to our home by buying up HP buildings and renovating some of them.

Silicon Valley unemployment has dropped to levels below 2009, but it's still very high.

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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 11:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
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The feds need to increase interest rates for savers, and reduce them for borrowers. Charging double-digit interest on credit cards should be outlawed when savers earn less than 1% (less after taxes). The government has created a stupid environment in this period of our economy. High interest rates are tantamount to higher taxes, and takes away from consumer purchasing power. All ass-backwards.

The Feds have reduced the interest rates for borrowers, but they are limited in which interest rates they can control--currently, they can affect bank rates, but not credit card rates. And trying to control the bank lending rates hasn't stimulated the economy enough to raise the interest rates on savings, which remain dismally low.
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The economy is the reason interest rates are so low right now.

When the economy is weak, people and businesses are less inclined to borrow money. Like anything else, the cost of loans is affected by supply and demand, and low demand for loans means that the cost of loans — the interest rates — has come down.

Adding to this, the Federal Reserve has moved to lower interest rates. These actions range from lending money to banks at extremely low rates to buying bonds on the open market, which drives market interest rates lower. By lowering interest rates, the Fed hopes to stimulate the economy.

Their reasoning is that if loans are cheaper, more people and businesses will borrow, spending will rebound, and the economy will be on its way again. This hasn’t worked particularly well, however, because many people are already swamped with debt, and banks have been reluctant to lend money because they got burned in the housing crisis.
http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/08/24/why-are-interest-rates-so-low-right-now-and-where-should-you-put-your-money/

So, I think the Feds have tried to influence the interest rates that can help to create jobs. It just hasn't had the desired effect yet.

I agree with you, C.I., that something should be done to curb the credit card interest rates--or at least put them under the control of the states. And there was an Amendment introduced last year to do just that.
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Stop out-of-control credit card rates
By: Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse
May 18, 2010 05:11 AM EDT

As the Senate completes debate on historic Wall Street reform legislation, it needs to address a problem that has caused severe stress for so many American families: runaway interest rates on credit cards.

Credit card companies now charge rates that, until recently, would have been illegal in most states. Rates of up to 30 percent are not uncommon. Yet states are powerless to stop the practice.

Currently pending before the Senate is a bipartisan amendment to the Wall Street reform bill that would restore to the 50 states the power to protect their citizens from unscrupulous out-of-state lenders.

It would make clear that the interest limits of the consumer’s state govern all interstate consumer lending transactions — including credit card lending. If this amendment is passed, each state could again enforce interest rate limits against lenders doing business with its citizens.

It was not always like this: For the first 202 years of our republic, each state had the ability to enforce usury laws against any lender charging excessive rates. Then, an apparently minor 1978 Supreme Court decision changed everything.

In Marquette National Bank of Minneapolis v. First of Omaha Service Corp., the Supreme Court interpreted the word “located” in the National Bank Act of 1863 to mean that in a transaction between a bank in one state and a consumer in another, the transaction is governed by laws of the bank’s state.

It did not take long before big banks saw the loophole. They could avoid interest rate restrictions, they realized, by reorganizing as “national banks” and moving to states with the worst consumer protections.

Sure enough, the credit card divisions of most major Wall Street banks today are based in just a few states. Consumers in all other states are denied the protection against outrageous interest rates and fees that states historically provided their citizens.

This offends not just justice but history. Protecting citizens against excessive interest rates has been a hallmark of civilized legal codes for millenniums — through the founding of our republic. But then the big banks’ crafty lawyers found this inadvertent loophole.

The amendment has been endorsed by groups on the front lines of consumer protection, like AARP, Common Cause, the Consumer Federation of America, Consumer Action, Consumers Union and the National Consumer Law Center (on behalf of its low-income clients). These organizations know the frustrations of fighting out-of-state credit card companies that have unilateral discretion to raise rates — often for any, or even no, reason.

Bolstering our system of federalism and restoring states’ rights to protect their citizens should have broad bipartisan appeal.

I encourage my colleagues to support this amendment.

What a blessing it would be to everyone if the tricks and traps in the fine print of credit card contracts no longer pitched American families into the quicksand of 30 percent and higher interest rates.

Let’s not pass up this opportunity to restore states’ rights to protect millions of Americans from inexcusable lending practices.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democrat, is the junior senator from Rhode Island. He is the sponsor of Amendment 3746, which has 16 co-sponsors from both parties.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37375.html


But, Sen. Whitehouse's Amendment failed to pass.
http://www.cbanet.org/government/HeadlineDetail.cfm?ItemNumber=18656[/quote]

I suppose an argument could be made that lowering the credit card rates could encourage more people to go into debt, or spend beyond their means, and that the consumer can avoid high interest rates by simply not utilizing the plastic beyond their ability to pay off balances relatively quickly.

I don't think there is an easy fix to the jobs situation. The economy took a severe body blow, and recovery will take a long time. That, of course, doesn't keep people from being frustrated and impatient, and wanting the government to wave a magic wand. Unfortunately, I don't think either political party has that wand.



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 11:12 am
@ehBeth,
The biggest problem with the GOP is that they have not produced any solution for our lagging job market. They blame Obama, but what's their solution? They have none, except cut taxes for the rich. That hasn't worked since 2001-2002 GW Bush's tax cuts, and it isn't going to work in the future.

Americans aren't too bright; they also blame Obama for our joblessness, and forget that GW Bush produced this Great Recession. Half the current deficit was created during GW Bush's term, and the other half was spent by Obama to give tax breaks to the middle class, and to extend benefits for the unemployed and for infrastructure spending.

What is the GOP solution? How many times can they cry "wolf" and get away with it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 11:20 am
@firefly,
Most consumers are not good financial managers of their own budget. That's the reason why their savings rate is so low. Most have less than $100,000 in savings; not enough to support them in retirement.

Many get into the cycle of using their credit cards to purchase things they shouldn't be buying or need; it's an addiction, and they end up paying those high credit card interest.

I don't expect the feds to do anything right; I have criticized both Greenspan and Bernanke on the monetary policies which exacerbated the Great Recession.

Banks can borrow money on the cheap, then use that money to speculate in the market place. They make millions by money manipulation, and produce nothing in terms of goods and services. It's all ass-backwards.

I don't see the feds doing anything right.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 02:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Imposter, you are wrong.
The dumbmasses expect Obama and his big government to take care of their needs as promised, that is why their savings accounts are empty and why they have little or no health insurance. They drank the blue Kool-Aid and got suckered into the democratic way.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 02:32 pm
@edgarblythe,
Name some companies that are making 'huge profits'.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 02:56 pm
@H2O MAN,
How many $$$ is "huge?" $1Bn, $5Bn, $10Bn. We would 1st need to define that.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 03:49 pm
@realjohnboy,
We would first need to know if either of you know the difference between a 'huge profit' and a 'huge profit margin'.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 03:57 pm
@H2O MAN,
I think I do. Please offer your definition of "huge profit" and "huge profit margin." The former is, by my reckoning, the bottom line of an income statement. The latter is going to need some clarification from you.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 04:54 pm
@realjohnboy,
Makes sense to me.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 04:59 pm
@Lash,
I've a few biases against Rudy, the main one a blip I read about how he had to be sternly talked into going to the 911 site, and then his making political hay out of his presence there. Naturally enough, I can't defend this since even if I saved the links they'd be goners by now, given my computer crashes over the years.. All politicians do this in some fashion, some more than others, need to do it.

On the other hand, he's italian (kidding, kidding).
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 05:12 pm
@roger,
There is a problem though that the cartels seem to be making inroads here - dys and I argued at length about this, he very insistent that could never happen because of our good police systems and so on. I hope he was right.

Anyway, I figure cartel fear (it's also going on in California, seeming reasonably from what I've read, no links) could play a part for different communities re political choices.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 05:13 pm
@InfraBlue,
Tnx for that take, Blue.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 05:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Ok, you made me laugh.


Of course, I like coyotes.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 05:25 pm
@realjohnboy,
You think you do?

What exactly do you 'think' is the difference between the two?

Do you also think edgarblythe knows the difference?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2011 05:39 pm
@H2O MAN,
I know I do. But you brought up a difference between "huge profit" and "huge profit margin." Do you know the difference and, since you brought it up, please explain that to other viewers here.
I don't know why you are attacking edgarblythe.
You, H20, need to thoughtfully explain the difference. Can you do it?
 

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