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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 12:07 pm
Quote:
Who wins if the GOP goes to a brokered convention? Obama, probably.
Posted by Ezra Klein at 11:41 AM ET, 02/16/2012

Let’s say it happens. Let’s say there’s actually a brokered convention this year. Who wins?

The Democrats, probably. A brokered convention is most often considered as part of a white-knight scenario. The idea is that Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul take this all the way to Tampa, and none of them have enough delegates to win on the first ballot. At that point, one of the Republican Party’s heavyweights — Mitch Daniel or Paul Ryan or Chris Christie or Jeb Bush — jumps in to unite the GOP and challenge Obama. But this is rarely looked at from the perspective of the potential draftee. To him, this would be a suicide mission.

The Republican Convention begins on Aug. 27. The election is on Nov. 6. A candidate who emerged during the convention — or even slightly before it — would have two months and some change to hire a national campaign staff, raise money, get on the air, craft a message, study up on the issues, decide on an agenda, introduce himself to voters, build out a ground game, etc. They would have two months, in other words, to become competitive with Obama’s ferocious campaign organization. And none of the potential candidates have ever run national campaigns before. In Ryan’s case, he’s never even run statewide in Wisconsin.

Nor would this candidate have had a smooth coronation some imagine. Brokered conventions are, almost always, angry, ugly things. The candidates who have been campaigning for the nomination don’t give up without a fight. Their supporters aren’t happy seeing months and months of work tossed aside so the establishment can choose someone new. Dozens of party actors — like Sarah Palin, who has been pushing the brokered convention idea hard — need to be bought off or otherwise mollified. The press is swarming everything, writing about the tensions and conflicts and doubts and concerns.

Prior to the 1970s, brokered conventions really were brokered. There were rooms, and cigars, and older white men making the decisions. But since then, both parties have rewritten their rules to emphasize public participation. So today, a brokered convention would be a fairly public — and, for the party, quite embarrassing — spectacle.

For all these reasons and more, top-tier candidates rarely want to get involved in convention fights anymore. That’s partly why contested conventions often go to one of the existing candidates rather than to a new choice. That’s what happened in 1984, when Walter Mondale was 50 delegates short of the nomination. That’s what happened in 1976, when Ronald Reagan fought Gerald Ford all the way to the convention. And in both those cases, of course, the party that couldn’t settle on a candidate before the convention lost the election.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/imagining-a-brokered-convention/2011/08/25/gIQA9SbsHR_blog.html#pagebreak

Cycloptichorn
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 12:08 pm
The quote is from Juan Williams of Fox News, H2. Who ya gonna believe?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 12:15 pm
@MontereyJack,
It's interesting to note that rjb goes out of his way to have "discussions" with watersquirt who fills the threads with one sentence, irrelevant, bull shite, while he climbs on people who do not stay on topic. It's a mystery to me!
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 12:30 pm
@H2O MAN,
GM Reports 2011 Net Income of $7.6 Billion

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 12:33 pm
@revelette,
So what?
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 12:39 pm
@H2O MAN,
So montereyjack (and a fox news reporter who wrote the article) was telling no lies as your previous post claimed. duh
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 12:42 pm
@revelette,
Right.
But, don't let that stop you, H20man.

Joe(carry on you crazy!)Nation
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 01:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's interesting to note that rjb goes out of his way to have "discussions" with watersquirt who fills the threads with one sentence, irrelevant, bull shite, while he climbs on people who do not stay on topic. It's a mystery to me!

Good point.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 01:45 pm
Take 2 Aspirin And Call Me In The Morning
Foster Fiess, the biggest donor to Santorum's Super Pac said in an interview with Andrea Mitchell today that he doesn't see what the big deal is with contraception.
In my day, he recalls, "gals" put aspirin "between their knees" for contraception.

What ever happened to chastity belts?
roger
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 01:50 pm
@realjohnboy,
Body odors weren't an issue when chastity belts were in service.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 02:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
There's 49 other states besides Michigan.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 02:12 pm
@spendius,
Not that count as much in the Primaries which is what it is all about at present.

Joe(Charmed, I'm sure.)Nation
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 04:09 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

There's 49 other states besides Michigan.


Not according to Obama... Laughing
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 07:10 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

So what?

So all those here who think GM aka ObamaMotors really is making a profit would flunk an introductory accounting class - they don't know there's also a balance sheet in addition to the income statement and that's where the monster losses are lurking. If you read the whole statement you see the company had to write up pension related liabilities by $7 bn in the last 3 months of 2011.
http://www.pionline.com/article/20120216/DAILYREG/120219920/general-motors-us-pension-plans-return-111-in-2011
Quote:
GM reported combined underfunding of $24.5 billion of its worldwide defined benefit plans, as of Dec. 31.

Hint: Write-up of liabilities is other places known as a loss <G>
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 07:45 pm
For those of you who are interested in this conflict over contraception, Garry Willis at the New York Review of Books makes the case that the Catholic church's talking points are a con.

Quote:
Pusillanimous Catholics—Mark Shields and even, to a degree, the admirable E. J. Dionne—are saying that Catholics understandably resent an attack on “their” doctrine (even though they do not personally believe in it). Omnidirectional bad-faith arguments have clustered around what is falsely presented as a defense of “faith.” The layers of ignorance are equaled only by the willingness of people “of all faiths” to use them for their own purposes. Consider just some of the layers:

Read on. (I enjoyed it.)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 08:05 pm
@Thomas,
This paragraph said it best.
Quote:
The bishops’ opposition to contraception is not an argument for a “conscience exemption.” It is a way of imposing Catholic requirements on non-Catholics. This is religious dictatorship, not religious freedom.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 08:08 pm
@High Seas,
Shall we stick around and see how much taxes GM pays on those profits?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 08:39 pm
@Thomas,
Thanks. I've quieted down since shut out of nyt (except for twenty clicks a month), and NYR is similarly careful.

Big cut.
I lost re the Nyer too, in that they sent me back my check from some stupidity, theirs or mind, but I'm without it. My check was good, they refunded, but they didn't recognize me, something like a 50 year subscriber. Usually I yell about this kind of thing, but once in a while it is just too depressing.

This availability stuff is a class action.

I'll add in here that for a bright group of people their search function is a mess.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 08:41 pm
@roger,
Don't forget to add all those taxes paid by the workers, and the local economy helped by those workers. That's over 47,000 blue collar workers earning an average of $22/hour.
 

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