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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 04:51 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
I have not predicted a winner (but I return your salute, Ike!)

I 'll wait until the end is in sight.





David
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 07:06 am
@firefly,
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And Gingrich's wife is also a public reminder of his infidelity.


Couldn't agree more.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 07:56 am
@revelette,
Obviously revelette is a good and pious Christian.
revelette
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 08:22 am
@spendius,
never said so, whats your point?

We all went through this a couple of weeks ago showing the absolute hypocrisy of Newt Gingrich asking his wife for an open marriage then filing for divorce all the while decrying Clinton for his lack of morals and then holding prayer meetings about the declining morals of the country.

Moreover, we are talking about voters here. Women vote. Most older women and young women who realize that one day they are going to get old, have no sympathy for a man who trades his own old worn out wife for a new one. To display that same wife in a bid for re-election is not too smart.
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 08:49 am
I meant election not re-election.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 09:50 am
@revelette,
If your objection to Gingrich's wives isn't based on religious faith (as is the case of Dowd, a strict Catholic) what is it based on?

I've known the man since the start of the 2 Reagan administrations and admire him greatly: he took the House back from 40 years of liberal democrat rule and produced years of balanced budgets - the first since the Eisenhower presidency - though Clinton must share in the credit. Compare that with Obama's abysmal record on deficits!
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 10:24 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
Obama is a known quantity, while voters are still getting to know Romney. They seem to not like what they see very much.


More evidence for the idea that the more people get to know Romney, the less they like him:

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Overall, 55 percent of those who are closely following the campaign say they disapprove of what the GOP candidates have been saying. By better than 2 to 1, Americans say the more they learn about Romney, the less they like him. Even among Republicans, as many offer negative as positive assessments of him on this question. Judgments about former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who denounced Romney on Saturday night in Nevada, are about 3 to 1 negative.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-holds-edge-over-romney-in-general-election-matchup-poll-finds/2012/02/05/gIQA5JX0sQ_story.html
revelette
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 10:28 am
@High Seas,
well, like I said i wouldn't vote for him regardless. I am democrat.

However my objection to Gingrich's collection of wives is based on hypocrisy and a distaste for men who trade in their wives for new ones like you would for worn out tires.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 10:50 am
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

If your objection to Gingrich's wives isn't based on religious faith (as is the case of Dowd, a strict Catholic) what is it based on?

I've known the man since the start of the 2 Reagan administrations and admire him greatly: he took the House back from 40 years of liberal democrat rule and produced years of balanced budgets - the first since the Eisenhower presidency - though Clinton must share in the credit. Compare that with Obama's abysmal record on deficits!


Do you have to be religious to think it's scummy to run around on your wife? I don't think so.

Cycloptichorn
revelette
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 10:55 am
Quote:
I've known the man since the start of the 2 Reagan administrations and admire him greatly: he took the House back from 40 years of liberal democrat rule and produced years of balanced budgets - the first since the Eisenhower presidency - though Clinton must share in the credit. Compare that with Obama's abysmal record on deficits!


Actually Clinton and democrats get all the credit since every single republican vote no on the 1993 tax hike which included cuts in entitlements spending as well. They said it was a job killer. It wasn't.

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Scary Deficit Forecasts For Clinton Years
Fade As Tax Revenue Grows

It Rises Faster Than Outlays, Thanks to ’93 Budget Bill
And a Steady Economy

Where has the federal deficit gone?

When Bill Clinton was elected president four years ago, the government was hemorrhaging red ink at a rate of almost $300 billion a year, and forecasters saw little improvement in the offing. Today, his budget office estimates the fiscal 1996 deficit at just $117 billion—the lowest in dollar terms since 1981, the year Ronald Reagan took office.

Measured as a share of the total economy, the U.S. deficit this year will run only about 1.6%—smaller than the deficits of Japan, Germany, Britain or, indeed, any of the world’s advanced nations except Norway.

Clearly, a stronger-than-expected economy has a lot to do with it. The tax increases in the 1993 deficit-reduction package that Mr. Clinton pushed through get credit as well. And, to a lesser extent, so do the spending cuts engineered by the Republican Congress…

For the current fiscal year, ending Sept. 30, collections now are expected to be $97 billion higher than the $1.356 trillion the Congressional Budget Office projected 3 ½ years ago as Mr. Clinton was taking office. That is about 7% more.

By the CBO’s analysis, just over half of the $97 billion increase beyond projections is due to tax boosts in Mr. Clinton’s 1993 antideficit plan. The rest is due to a variety of factors.

Tax on Wealthy Is Boosting U.S. Revenue
Treasury Says 1993 Increase Is Helping Cut the Deficit


President Clinton sold the 1993 income-tax increase as a way to shrink the budget deficit at the expense of the rich.

Republican adversaries predicted it wouldn’t generate much revenue because the rich would work less and take bigger deductions. Now there’s growing, if still tentative, evidence that Mr. Clinton may have been right after all.

The recent flood of revenue pouring into Treasury coffers—enough to push the federal budget to a record $93.94 billion surplus for the month of April—appears to have come mostly from the nation’s biggest earners, indicating that the controversial tax increase may indeed be taking from the rich. "The available data suggest the surge in tax collections has come from the taxpayers with high incomes, who were the only ones affected by the 1993 changes," says Deputy Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers.

Corporate taxes, which were increased modestly under the 1993 law, also have brought in more revenue, but at about the level the Treasury had been predicting…

The package, part of the 1993 budget agreement, drew harsh criticism from the right. Texas GOP Rep. Dick Armey, who is now the House majority leader, predicted dire results, "Who can blame many second-earner families for deciding that the sacrifice of a second job is no longer worth it?" he wrote...

"The basic fact is that people looked at the 1993 budget agreement and said there’d be a recession, the deficit would go way up and that tax collections would go way down," says Mr. Summers. "What has happened is there has been a boom, the deficit has gone way down and tax collections have gone way up."

—WALL STREET JOURNAL, May 22, 1997, A2.


source

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By the time republicans got around to passing the balanced budget plan in 1997 for fiscal year 1998, the deficit was almost gone. Anyone attempting to give them credit for the balanced budget is sadly mistaken. Their five-year plan calls for our first balanced budget in 2002 ( a year Mr. Bush has once again returned us to deficits). Their plan was only five years off. Our first balanced budget occurred in 1998.


source
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:01 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

well, like I said i wouldn't vote for him regardless. I am democrat.

However my objection to Gingrich's collection of wives is based on hypocrisy and a distaste for men who trade in their wives for new ones like you would for worn out tires.


Especially when, like a tire, you can just retread them. A simple procedure. Insert picnic ham, pull the bone out, voila. Tight as the day you met her. Newt is so fat he probably can't get more than the tip in anyway, and then certainly not in any face to face position, so what difference should it make to him who he's married to? Mr. Green

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:08 am
@revelette,
The conservatives only use fear. The facts back the democrats on jobs and our economy. Unfortunately, American voters have short memories.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:09 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Do you have to be religious to think it's scummy to run around on your wife? I don't think so.


What other basis are you suggesting Cyclo? A legalised monopoly legislated by alpha males? Fat chance of that I should think.

"scummy" is rather a convenient word. It isn't particularly decisive in discouraging the activity you coyly refer to.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:18 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Do you have to be religious to think it's scummy to run around on your wife? I don't think so.


What other basis are you suggesting Cyclo? A legalised monopoly legislated by alpha males? Fat chance of that I should think.

"scummy" is rather a convenient word. It isn't particularly decisive in discouraging the activity you coyly refer to.


You can't discourage adulterers through speech. You sure can condemn them, though!

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:46 am
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Obama's lead over Romney in head-to-head polling is expanding.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:47 am
@Cycloptichorn,



It won't last.

Once more Americans realize that Obama lies his numbers will drop once again.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:50 am
@High Seas,
Clinton doesn't need to share the credit--without him, Gingrich's hysterial Republican House would never have produced surpluses, would never have balanced the budgets. Clinton had to take it down to letting the government run out of money before Newt the Astute and his conservative cronies caved in and agreed to balance the budget.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:51 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
You can't discourage adulterers through speech. You sure can condemn them, though!


You might be able to do if you said that it was really, really, awfully scummy with a dignified and serious mien.

We are evolved for the job. Twice a day in fact. You are an evolutionist aren't you?
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:51 am
@Cycloptichorn,
also it is not just that Gingrich ran around on his wife. It is the fact that he left her for a younger woman and that same woman stands beside him while he campaigns, it just don't go over to well with with a good portion of women.

Newt Gingrich may have a women voter problem in Florida. Despite public endorsements from Sarah Palin and other conservative women, recent polling shows he's less popular among women.

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Feb, 2012 11:55 am
@revelette,
But that might be because they are taking advantage of Christian morality on the matter to get their crumpets buttered.
 

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