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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 04:34 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
Omsig(godloveyou)David:
Which of the Founders, if living today, would be an Originalist? And why?

Joe(Do you think we should have listened more closely to Roger Williams, not a Founder, but still.... . ?)Nation
I think that thay ALL woud, Joe(mayubesurroundedbyBeautyandbepermeatedbyJoy),
because of the value of personal freedom. Thay knew the value of personal freedom.
Liberalism consists of turning away,
of inconsistency with something (like my fonetic spelling).
The Founders were liberals in that thay turned away from Monarchy, b4 thay wrote the Constitution.

By the fact of crippling the domestic jurisdiction of government (37 ways of cripplement in the Bill of Rights),
the Founders expressed the philosophy of personal liberty.

Subverting, curtailing and kicking in the balls domestic jurisdiction
of government creates personal liberty
because freedom and jurisdiction are INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL and the Founders knew that.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 04:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No; our laws followed the common laws of England.

Quote:
U.S. law based on English Common Law

By: GENE VITAMANTI - For The Californian

A major misconception many Americans have about our history is from whence American law was derived. Many people think that it is derived from the Judeo-Christian Bible. In actuality, American law is a carryover from our colonial days when we were ruled by English Common Law. We broke away from England but continued using that law system, which had been developed and continuously refined for over a thousand years. The Catholic Encyclopedia agrees with this assessment.


Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/article_fa2c1730-e483-5e59-8ea1-1b2df9fcc62f.html#ixzz1jfCj6rMx


I learned this in Business Law - about three lifetimes ago.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 05:05 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Greetings womwicodger, ...

What's a "womwicodger"? Oh, I see. That's me! Smile How did you know my age, which is 61 years? I don't know if that would qualify me as a codger, though. I mean, I'm young in spirit; and I look a lot younger than my age. People tell me that all the time. And I don't have to take viagra, unlike some men who're younger than I. Thanks to pumping iron at a local health club under the tutelage of a hired physical trainer (who's young enough to be my son), my testerone level is high; and, therefore, my sex drive is just as strong as it was when I was a teenager, if not even stronger. Thankfully, I still have a chance to build up my physique so late in life. (How insufferably narcissitic I am! Dear reader, please forgive.)

spendius wrote:
Some altar boys wank.

I'm afraid, due to my limited intellectual powers and the fact that I don't make much of an effort to be well-informed these days, that I do not have any understanding as to the significance of this intriguing remark. I was under the impression that ALL boys eventually start "wanking," not simply some of those who happen to sing in a choir. You're one of the most intellectual persons here at A2K. I feel like an ignoramous around you because I don't "get" most of your references, and I'm not being sarcastic! I'm just not as well-educated as you. Oh, well, I've had more than my share of shortcomings in my life. I'll just have to live with them, I guess. Sad

While we're at it, I'm not exactly one of those left wing persons who unfortunately cause you consternation; but neither am I a right-winger. I was liberal when I was a young guy; but I became disillusioned, alienated, apathetic, and simply tired of politics. I'm even one of those terrible citizens of the U.S. who won't be voting in the next Presidential election. Shocked In the last Presidential election, I voted for McCain/Palin. (I mean, what was the point? The fair state of Texas, the place I call home, is quite depressingly predictable in its Republican leanings.) Now I wish I hadn't voted in that Presidential election, either.

Coming back to the issue of political players of football, I don't know what else to say, except that some guys who play aggressively at rough contact sports act differently when the game is over. Oh, how complex we human beings are!

I hope you've not misconstrued my response to your post. I'm not ridiculing you. Far from it. To the contrary, I just wanted to write a goofy post. Mr. Green

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 05:07 pm
Good evening. I got around to reading the posts for the last few days, many of which have no relationship to The Republican Nomination For President..."
Have you thought about starting your own threads about topics unrelated to this one?

There is a debate tonight from SC (Fox @ 9 pm). Huntsman will be on the sidelines after "suspending" his campaign and endorsing Romney. A few days ago he was ripping Mitt but now calls for a ceasefire in the Repubs attacking each other. Good luck on that.
That issue of attacking will likely be discussed tonight, with the candidates claiming they can't control the Super Pacs that they cannot, by law, influence. Immigration should come up. I also expect the candidates to talk about the voter ID issue which I mentioned a few days ago.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 05:24 pm
from The New York Times

Michael D. Shear wrote:



What to Watch for in Tonight’s Debate
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR

A dwindling group of Republican presidential contenders — now just five — will debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., tonight as the party lurches closer toward choosing its nominee.

The departure of Jon M. Huntsman Jr. from the race on Monday morning helps clarify the political dynamics that should play out on the debate stage with just five days left before voters here go to the polls.

Mitt Romney is now the lone voice in the race seeking the approval of the Republican establishment as he tries to close out his second bid to become his party’s standard-bearer.

Challenging him from the right are three rivals, each hoping that social conservatives in the state will find them a suitable alternative to Mr. Romney: Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker; Rick Santorum, the former senator from Pennsylvania; and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas.

And Representative Ron Paul of Texas remains in the race as he makes the case that none of the other candidates represent the wholesale change to the economic and political system necessary to revive the country’s fortunes.

With just five candidates on the stage tonight, each will get more time to make his case. Even before Mr. Huntsman dropped out, Fox News, the sponsor of the debate, announced that it would allow 90 seconds for answers rather than a minute.

But the smaller field of candidates and the desire by Mr. Romney’s rivals to stop his march toward the nomination may sharpen the potential for personal attacks.

“Super PACs” have been pouring millions of dollars into such attacks in recent days, but even their reach does not compare to the millions of viewers likely to watch the debate.

With that in mind, here are some things to watch for in Monday’s debate:

1. Mr. Romney: First and foremost, Mr. Romney must avoid making mistakes. He is the clear leader in the polls, but there are five days to go until the primary — plenty of time for the tide to turn if he were to make a gaffe or present rivals with a fresh opportunity to question his leadership.

Second, Mr. Romney must find a way to succinctly answer the criticism of his role at Bain Capital, the private equity firm he once led. The attack has prompted a backlash of sorts against Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Perry, but it remains a potential drag on his support here. Look for him to try to put the issue to rest.

And with two victories under his belt, Mr. Romney is hoping to use his time in South Carolina to broaden his appeal and look like the inevitable nominee. He may seek to add a discussion of social issues to his normal answers about the economy. And he will almost certainly train his harshest rhetoric on President Obama as he tries to look the part of the party’s standard-bearer.

2. The Conservatives: For the three candidates on the stage vying for the social conservative vote, the most crucial mission is to stop Mr. Romney. That task may be easier without Representative Michele Bachmann, Mr. Huntsman or Herman Cain on the stage, diverting attention from their goal.

That probably means pressing the attacks on Mr. Romney’s time at Bain, though doing so risks more criticism from Republican voters that they are attacking free enterprise and capitalism. (Mr. Romney is sure to make that case, and could be aided by Mr. Santorum, who has sought to benefit by refusing to take part in the Bain attacks.)

Less clear is how much the three social conservatives will take aim at each other in the hopes of emerging as the one, true alternative to Mr. Romney. Mr Perry, who appears to be struggling at the bottom of the polls, is probably less of a threat to the others. But Mr. Santorum and Mr. Gingrich each know that beating the other may be the only way to continue on to Florida and beyond.

One thing that is likely no matter what is that the debate will focus on issues like same-sex marriage, abortion, gun rights and other concerns of the state’s evangelical voters. One thing that is not likely is any criticism of Mr. Romney’s Mormon faith. (Though it’s possible that the subject — and how it plays among religious voters — could be brought up by a debate moderator.)

3. Ron Paul: Having increased his share of the vote since his last White House bid in 2008, Mr. Paul shows no signs of dropping out anytime soon — even if he continues to lag behind Mr. Romney or if he drops behind other rivals.

But the impact of Mr. Paul’s “revolution” on the presidential conversation still depends on his success in attracting votes, and South Carolina may be his toughest state yet. There is less evidence that students or independents will turn out in large numbers in a primary that is typically dominated by conservative, evangelical voters.

Mr. Paul’s debate performances have been remarkably consistent, so watch for more of the same. But keep an eye out for a new and aggressive focus on Mr. Romney. If the perceived front-runner can be slowed down, that probably extends Mr. Paul’s time in the national spotlight.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 05:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Wow!

You hit the nail right on the pointed head.

This is exactly what I believe as do millions of my fellow Republicans.

The one you're most spot on with is how we think wars are better than humanity. So artfully phrased.

It's a good thing you Democrats are so kind hearted, benign and non-violent or else you'd be kicking our sorry asses out of this country before we destroy it.



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 05:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You love wars so much, your presidents starts wars in places like Iraq on the false information that Saddam had WMD's, and we ended up killing tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

Our military and treasure could have been better spend improving our own country's economy, infrastructure, schools, and medical care.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 05:58 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
Have you thought about starting your own threads about topics unrelated to this one?


Nah!! Such idiotic, pedantic, traffic-wardenish notions never enter my mind John. Who knows what is related to the Republican Nomination for President. Who, in their wildest dreams, could have thought that the oral orifice of that bottle-blonde bat gold-digger of a certain age being allegedly pushed in the direction of Herman's crotch would be related to the subject. Or Ms Bachmann's chain-saw vocalisation technique.

I can't imagine how an NFL fan could ever vote for a liberal good bloke.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
You hit the nail right on the pointed head.

This is exactly what I believe as do millions of my fellow Republicans.


Are you suggesting that republicans drive nails in backwards or that they do things backwards?
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Y"know, I'm as anti-current day GOP as anybody I know, c.i., but you're overreaching here. Except for the Iraq/Afghanistan fiasco, every war of the 20th century began under a Democrat administration. And often (as in the case of Korea and Vietnam) it was during a Republican adminnistration that the wars were brought to an end. It's OK to slam the pereceived enemy, but be careful with facts.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:03 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
Are you suggesting that republicans drive nails in backwards or that they do things backwards?


No. They drive in nails so that the holes are too big for tacks to stick in.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:09 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
We live in a different political world today; the divisions between the parties is the biggest I've seen it during my lifetime. I can only go by our most contemporary presidents and candidates running for office. I'm tired of the No Party, and their inability to compromise and negotiate anything Obama wants to do; they are only hurting our country and citizens who must tolerate their childishness during these difficult times. That's one of the reasons the OWS has been so popular.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:09 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Not to disagree but to clarify, every president from Truman onwards expanded US involvement in Vietnam. Even Nixon, before ending it.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:12 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:
I hope you've not misconstrued my response to your post. I'm not ridiculing you. Far from it. To the contrary, I just wanted to write a goofy post.


I cant answer that old chap. I don't believe in pumping iron, Viagra, tutelage, having a sex drive ( the **** mine got me in doesn't really bear thinking about), or narcissism.

And I never vote.

It did strike me that NFL might be a catharsis to defuse the beast in us all but liberal lefties don't think there is a beast in us so I assume they wouldn't accept the idea.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:20 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
I cant answer that old chap. I don't believe in pumping iron, Viagra, tutelage, having a sex drive ( the **** mine got me in doesn't really bear thinking about), or narcissism.


If you had a 300lb bundle of love {English woman from the pub} You might start believing differently.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
I would certainly give it my best shot rl.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:31 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
... but be careful with facts.


That's a real knee slapper coming from you, Merry. A newspaper man you say.

The US was only in two wars in the 20th century. The rest were, just as Iran and Afghanistan, illegal invasions, crimes of aggression against sovereign nations. No different from what Hitler did.

Remember, every president since WWII has been a war criminal.

But why would I need to tell the great reporter, the guy who "is careful with the facts", all this.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 06:58 pm


Is Jon Huntsman's Wife a BEAUTY or a BEAUTY???

My goodness! I looked at this video to hear his exit speech
from the GOP nomination race, to know his political psychology n philosophy,
but I coud not take my eyes off of his WIFE! (nor had I any desire to do so! WoW!!!)
What a blonde beauty!!!!! That Man's Hunt was SUCCESSFUL!
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2012/01/16/whining-or-right-on-huntsman-takes-parting-shot/?subscriber=1

There was a lawyerette in NY practice who was known for putting on her hat,
as a distraction while adverse counsel were addressing the jury
(unless counsel had the perspicacity to have the court order her to take it off).
She took it off, when she was going to speak.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 07:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

No; our laws followed the common laws of England.

Quote:
U.S. law based on English Common Law

By: GENE VITAMANTI - For The Californian

A major misconception many Americans have about our history is from whence American law was derived. Many people think that it is derived from the Judeo-Christian Bible. In actuality, American law is a carryover from our colonial days when we were ruled by English Common Law. We broke away from England but continued using that law system, which had been developed and continuously refined for over a thousand years. The Catholic Encyclopedia agrees with this assessment.


Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/article_fa2c1730-e483-5e59-8ea1-1b2df9fcc62f.html#ixzz1jfCj6rMx


I learned this in Business Law - about three lifetimes ago.
That 's not what I 'm talking about. U don't get the idea.





David
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 07:09 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Fascinating. Why don't you start a thread devoted to that topic?
 

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