The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

@izzythepush,

I'm not proud of it izzy. It just came out the way it did from what I was thinking. That I knew you were up to speed enough to have heard of TDAFOTRE but that you had not read it possible using the Duke's witticism as an excuse. It is a bit of a task I must admit. I meant that I don't doubt you have heard of TDAFOTRE. And I don't doubt you have avoided studying it. In equal proportions as 100% certainty has to be.

I just did a post containing "swooning, set-fast in a sitting position" to describe Foulata on another thread. I'm proud of that.

One should not be reading anything on which one is not concentrating in order to detect the finer nuances the author might be trying to convey. Life is too short to waste time doing otherwise. And everybody knows the broad-brush outlines. That's why it's a waste of time.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Actually you missed the nuance of her use of "to" rather than "Too'
It was used in combination with "due" as in"due to".

Having re-examined the evidence, in light of your theory of grammar:
it is more acceptable, tho for better clarity, she shoud have said "due" a second time,
but I accept the merit of your observation.
Accordingly, this time, I will withdraw my objection.

farmerman wrote:

Your years championing the use of phonetic spelling is quickly detaching your written abilities from the mother tongue.

How fast??

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Incidentally, Professor:
that shoud be: "too many hours spent at his pub"
not: "to many hours spent at his pub"; we need to spell that word
correctly in order to express its different meanings: to, too & two.

Pass that along to your students, with my best wishes.

David

Prof. Plain:
upon the basis of the reasoning set forth by the farmer,
I withdraw my objection asserted above.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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How fast??

You are gonna wear that crtique like a badge of honor. I stepped into your web . Under advice of my attorney, I shall remain silent re: your query.

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A.L. Rowse wrote--

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In truth, there is often more independence of mind to be found among those who care most for tradition and have conservative views about society, than among professional progressives adhering to their line.

Which candidate shows the most care for tradition?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Which candidate shows the most care for tradition?

When it comes to the tradition of marriage, that would be Newt. He's been married 3 times.

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Back on topic,

Of the last 6 national polls of the GOP nomination, how many polls is Newt Gingrich leading? 6.

Man, life couldn't possibly be that good to me.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Back on topic,

Of the last 6 national polls of the GOP nomination, how many polls is Newt Gingrich leading? 6.

Man, life couldn't possibly be that good to me.

Cycloptichorn

It's not.

Every other candidate that has taken the Non-Romney lead position has enjoyed a short ride and then fallen back to where they belong. The same will happen with Gingrich. He has way too much baggage to remain unscathed. The Democrats would be wise to just leave him alone, but the other Republican campaigns will not.

I can appreciate your hope though. While I'm confident Newt could wipe the floor with Obama in a debate, I can just imagine the $1 billion negative ad campaign that would be launched against him and all his past sins being dredged up. I can also see him revealing the unpleasent side of his nature.

I've been giving the Gingrich candidacy a lot of thought and while I will vote for him if he is the nominee, I hope he is not for two reasons:

1) He will likely lose and we will be stuck with four more years of Obama

2) I don't like him. He's undeniably bright, and he has big ideas, but he is the personification of the Republican Party Establishment. He's less of an "outsider" than any of the other candidates, and he's flip-flopped himself a number of time. He's also an egotist with a nasty streak. If anyone is concerned by an Imperial Presidency, wait until Newt is in the Oval Office.

Not someone I want to vote for, but he is, by far, the lesser of two evils when compared to Obama.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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While I'm confident Newt could wipe the floor with Obama in a debate,

I have no idea why you would say such a thing.

Newt has a very clear strategy in debates: attack the moderators and the media. It wins him big points amongst the GOP base but it doesn't really hide the fact that he either doesn't answer the question, or the answers he gives are often crazy and completely unrealistic.

For example, Newt is still openly committed to privatizing SS. That right there is a death knell for him as a candidate, as the American people have clearly indicated that they want no such thing. Newt will be unable to reconcile his crazy ideas with the electorate, and you're right that he would probably lose big to Obama.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Because he has an incredible grasp of facts, is very intelligent and an excellent debater.

You're welcome to think otherwise, but all either of us will have is an opinion, unless and until they meet on stage.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I posted this elsewhere, but it fits here as well

Meanwhile from Paul Krugman about Newt...

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somebody said he's a stupid man's idea of what a smart man sounds like

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Because he has an incredible grasp of facts

I'm sorry, but this is simply laughable. The man regularly utters complete falsehoods and factually incorrect statements.

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You're welcome to think otherwise, but all either of us will have is an opinion, unless and until they meet on stage.

I'm sure you are well aware that I could list tremendous numbers of lies and mis-statements that Newt has offered; so, that's a little bit more than opinion.

Question: has he ever participated in a debate against someone from the other party? You say he's an 'incredible debater.' I've seen zero proof of that, and I've watched many primary debates he's been in. I used to participate in debate in HS and college and I've spent years judging it since then, so I think I know a tiny bit about what makes a good debater, and what tactics people use when they are not in fact good debaters... and Newt relies almost exclusively on the second: misdirection, attacking the question, rhetorical games, and very little substance offered that has any chance of becoming real-world policy.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Back on topic.

Will you explain why you think the previous exchange concerning independence of mind being correlated with tradition and conservative thinking is off topic? Polls, months in advance of the objective, are itsy-bitsy matters when compared to such fundamental considerations. Was the suggestion that progressives lose independence of mind in their fanaticism too much for you?

In Her last speech to Parliament a tired and worn out Queen Elizabeth 1 told the assembly--

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... to be a king and wear a crown is more glorious to them that see it, than it is a pleasure to them that bear it.

And Shakespeare wrote of a king--

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O Ceremony, show me by thy worth! . . .
Art thou aught else but place, degree and form,
Creating awe and fear in other men ?---
Wherein thou art less happy, being feared,
Than they in fearing.

Which both suggest that to seek high office one needs to take leave of one's wits and to seek it with such assiduity as we are seeing one needs to have taken leave of one's senses.

Perhaps we are all unconsciously aware of that and it explains why we treat these people with so much disrespect.

When you decide what is on topic and what is not Cyclo we will have more important things to worry about than the Republican nomination.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Sorry Cy. You can prattle on all day and yours remains an opinion.

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@spendius,

So true. You very literally have to be at least a little crazy to desire such a position as the president of the United States of America.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Sorry Cy. You can prattle on all day and yours remains an opinion.

Some opinions are informed by fact, and others are not. That makes some opinions more valid and valuable than other opinions. I am specifically claiming that my opinion on this matter is more valuable and valid than yours, for two reasons:

1, Gingrich regularly displays qualities that are the opposite of what you claimed, and

2, I have much greater experience in the area of what makes a good debater than you do.

Not that this really matters, as we both understand that Newt is highly unlikely to win the primary for your party, and is little more than just another example of the extreme unhappiness you guys are facing right now with your current crop of candidates, none of whom has a good chance of winning next year.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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mediamatters.org — The media has anointed Newt Gingrich as the GOP's idea man. But he lies a lot. No oil spills off Santa Barbara since 1969? The Democrats didn't try to pass a bill in 2007/08 to ban waterboarding? Obama said that inflating our tires would solve all our energy shortage problems? You can't make this stuff up, and yet Gingrich does. May 12, 2009

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@Cycloptichorn,

As the Stalinist pig, Napoleon in Orwell's Animal farm declared, "here all the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

Cyclo's opinions are, by (his) definition, more valid than others.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

As the Stalinist pig, Napoleon in Orwell's Animal farm declared, "here all the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

Cyclo's opinions are, by (his) definition, more valid than others.

Not by my definition.

I do happen to have many years of extensive and in-depth experience with the subject, experience that others lack.

Does this not make my opinion on such matters more valid than that of those who lack that experience?

Is my opinion on the right way to captain a ship as valid as yours is? Somehow, I doubt you would agree that it is, you Stalinist Pig, you.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Not by my definition.

I do happen to have many years of extensive and in-depth experience with the subject, experience that others lack.

Does this not make my opinion on such matters more valid than that of those who lack that experience?

Is my opinion on the right way to captain a ship as valid as yours is? Somehow, I doubt you would agree that it is, you Stalinist Pig, you.

Cycloptichorn

Your prejudice against anything related to the right all but entirely negates your past experience.

I don't know you, nor will I pretend to, but from what I've seen from you on a2k you'd be willing to, be it consciously or subconsciously, sacrifice something you know either deep down or blatantly to be true/false in order to prove a point. This is just how you've come across to me. I'm sure others feel the same. I could be wrong though and I'm absolutely positive you will aggressively insist that I am.

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