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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:39 pm
Perry just melted down like Chernobyl. He couldn't remember the third of the three agencies he wants to do away with. 10 seconds seemed like ten minutes.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:52 pm
John Harwood of CNBC went off on an on-air rant about crazy Republicans during the debt ceiling negotiations. There was a concern on how biased he would be. The concern was well founded. He's a disgrace.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:55 pm
Herman answers with "I have a bold plan that's 9-9-9" and the audience and other candidates laugh. He's over using it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I feel bad for him.

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:59 pm
Harwood is desperate to start a brawl
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 09:10 pm
I swear, I was just flipping around through the channels...
I stopped for a few minutes at the GOP debate and it just happened to be right before Perry jumped in with his "three agencies I would shut down right away". When he got stuck and started asking Ron Paul for help, I actually was so embarrased for him that I had to turn the channel.

I gotta say, Mitt Romney looks like all they've got, and that guy couldn't find his core values with a compass and a flashlight.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 09:42 pm
Missed the last 5 minutes or so, but unless there were any more Chernobyl moments, I have to say Romney, Gingrich, and Bachman all "won."

Clearly Perry "lost," and he lost big.

He would have been far better off ducking the debate, and being called a coward. Considering his very poor past performances, I don't know how he overcomes this, his worst disaster. It was painful to watch. He probably couldn't get off that stage fast enough. He was towards the bottom of my list anyway, but it sure is rough to have it all fall apart because of a momentary brain freeze.

Paul seemed to be absent for the night, but no gaffes that I saw.

Cain was doing OK until his signature "Bold plan. 9-9-9" became a punch line. Have to consider this performance a minus.

Santorum was the first to break the non-aggression pact and continues to appear desperate. Tonight he also seemed angry; pissed at the voters for not recognizing that he's the only one on that stage that has walked on water and raised a guy from the dead. He wants this so bad, it's killing him that he's not moving up in the polls. He needs to get out before he has a stroke.

Huntsman was guilty of the most egregious pact violation, and he just seems
uncomfortable in his skin and a nasty piece of work.

I think we might see Newt climb in the polls tomorrow. Gosh I would love to see him debate Obama in the 3 hour Lincoln/Douglas format.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 09:45 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Thanks for the recent reports you've been providing.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 09:59 pm
@snood,
I have no tv and CNBC apparently had no live streaming on line. I did get a few minutes of the debate through some pirating. Cain and now Perry are hurting big time.
Tony Blakeley in the Washington Times has a long and interesting article about the Republican race.
His thesis is that, when the Repub convention rolls around next August, there might not be a clear nominee. The convention, for the 1st time in decades, might be relevant. It might be wishful thinking on his part as a reporter.
He lists various reasons, five in fact. The one that caught my eye is this: states that hold primaries or caucuses prior to April must award delegates to the Repub convention on a proportional basis rather then on a "winner takes all" basis. There could well be no lock.
Blakeley argues that, if the Repub convention turns out to be wide open, there is no reason that someone like Huckabee, Christie etc couldn't join in.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 10:09 pm
@realjohnboy,
I agree, it's a reporter's wishful thinking, but it would be fascinating. It might also be a plus for the ultimate nominee in terms of a charged entry into the general election.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:40 pm
@ehBeth,
You're welcome
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 07:08 am
I am not surprised that cain has a growing harem of accusers: based on my own experience, the more conservative the man, the more sexually aggressive he is. I've been saying that for years.

As for perry, please. I am beginning to feel sorry for him despite having my own share of senior moments.

Romney could use a personality transplant. He always seems to have tasted something bad but, because he is on camera, he can't remove it from his mouth.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 07:48 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I think it is perfectly understandable in the feverish atmosphere surrounding the ritual humiliation of potential presidents that Mr Perry was temporarily unable to recall the third of the three agencies he wants to do away with.

He is also running a large and very complex state. He possibly doesn't know which city he is in. He's the only Rep candidate who I can imagine making a passable job of meeting Her Majesty on a State occasion. The mere thought of him "packing" is enough to stifle the wits.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 07:50 am
@spendius,
He should have said that he had two hundred state agencies in mind and which one was third on the list was still being worked on.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 08:56 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
The article that appeared in confused the issue a bit, you're right. I'll separate things out.

1.) Often the generic candidate (by party) will do better than the specific candidate.

2.) I cited the sentence in the article indicating that even Obama, when he was a candidate, did worse than a generic Democrat.

3.) What wasn't addressed is that when Obama was doing less well than a generic Democrat, in polls he was also beating McCain. See here for example:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

My main point is that actual candidate match-ups in polls matter more than generic vs. specific.

My secondary point (closely related but slightly different) is that even if a generic Republican is beating Obama, it's significant that Obama is beating individual candidates in polls. It won't be a generic Republican on the ballot next year.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 08:59 am
Meanwhile, Perry's "oops" is a big deal, yep.

Do you (Finn) think that Gingrich can emerge from the wreckage?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 09:22 am
Yup. Real strong field. Shocked
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 09:26 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Meanwhile, Perry's "oops" is a big deal, yep.

I don't see Perry's brain freeze as being a big deal. Sure, he lost one of his talking points, but who hasn't done that on occasion. I think if you are a Perry fan, this won't dissuade you, if you aren't then you'll think this is the end of the Perry campaign and if you are undecided, it was humorous, but doesn't mean the guy is an idiot. Of course if you are in the press, this was the next great story. Now you can ignore everything of substance said during the debate and talk about this. Cain's got to be loving the distraction from his problems.
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 09:33 am
@engineer,
Eliminating the energy department is a pretty big deal and if he was serious about it, I don't see how he could have forgotten it.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 09:39 am
@engineer,
I agree about the distraction.

But I do think this is a big deal. The "oops" can be inserted in any number of attack ads and is a great shorthand for him being not that smart and not ready to take on a job as serious as President of the United States.

He was already floundering and this is the kind of thing that by itself would not be good, but in a different context wouldn't necessarily be that bad. An obviously smart and prepared candidate who just had a momentary brain fart, for example.

But this fits right in to the negatives he was already developing and fighting against. It amplifies them all.

Plus it's the kind of thing that goes on the front page of Yahoo news, that the late-night people are probably going to have a field day with, etc. It's the sort of thing that goes beyond the chattering class and helps define a candidate to people who don't follow all of this that closely.

It can be flogged to death, and that might happen. If it does, then there could be a backlash. ("It wasn't that big of a deal! He's a regular guy.") But it looks pretty bad right now.
 

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