Progressive talk radio dishonesty

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I listen to a left wing host on a local channel here in Denver, CO. I have been listening to this guy for the last few years and I have come to the conclusion that he is full of crap. For the last several months he has been missing out on several key points of debate on certain topics.

1) As like most of the left, he confuses the debate on immigration. His claim is that the Republicans and the Tea Party hate immigrants and want them all deported.

This is false. We don't hate immigrants, we don't like illegal immigrants. The key word there is illegal. It is always absent whenever they discuss the issue of Immigration policy. The radio host I listen to is big on intellectual honesty but he ignores his own abuse of it. I think when talking about Immigration policy it is important to use the correct words and phrases if you want an honest discussion. Not using the word illegal immigrant when talking about immigrants is on purpose, and it doesn't further their side of the debate. Saying that all conservatives hate immigrants is unfair and a lie. When polled it looks like most of the country agrees with the Tea Parties and Conservatives when it comes to immigration. So why the intellectual dishonesty when it comes to the debate?

2) "Tax cuts for the rich." During the Bush years there was a tax cut for all Americans. For the last 8 years we have heard nothing but the "Tax cuts for the rich" Now that those tax cuts are getting ready to expire, there is a rush from those on the left to keep the tax cuts, but only for those that make under $250,000 a year. If the tax cuts were only for the rich, then why the need to keep the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000. If the cuts were only for the rich then they should just expire. Why then the sudden push to keep the cuts for the middle class. Could it be that the left has been lying this whole time and playing politics?

I know someone is going to join in and start pointing out the lies from the right on the radio, well that is fine, I'm not here to discuss the right on the radio we know all about that subject. I'm wondering if those who support left wing radio are willing to have an honest debate about the subject at hand.

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Them right wingers, they're all homos anyway . . .

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@Baldimo,

left wing talk is horrible

i mean the right wing guys are all steaming piles of excrement as well, but damn it they're entertaining steaming piles of excrement, the left wing guys are just dull steaming piles of excrement

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@djjd62,

djjd62 - thank you, i aim for infantile, but i'll except facile

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@Baldimo,

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2) "Tax cuts for the rich." During the Bush years there was a tax cut for all Americans. For the last 8 years we have heard nothing but the "Tax cuts for the rich" Now that those tax cuts are getting ready to expire, there is a rush from those on the left to keep the tax cuts, but only for those that make under $250,000 a year. If the tax cuts were only for the rich, then why the need to keep the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000.

I agree; they should end all the tax cuts.

But it's silly to pretend that the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts were not 'for the rich.' They were exactly that. The average person realized a tiny savings, and the rich realized a gigantic savings. They were specifically set up that way, and the truth is that the 'rich' didn't need that tax cut, not even a little; and there's no evidence whatsoever that it helped the economy at all. It did cost us 2 or 3 trillion dollars, however.

This response of yours is a typical example of ignoring the truth of a situation, and focusing on a narrow aspect. Yes, everyone got a tax cut. No, not all tax cuts were equal. Yes, they were tilted towards the rich and super-rich.

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If the cuts were only for the rich then they should just expire. Why then the sudden push to keep the cuts for the middle class. Could it be that the left has been lying this whole time and playing politics?

The push to keep the cuts for the middle class is b/c it's an election season. How hard is that to understand? Nevertheless, as I said above; I agree. All tax cuts should be ended and that soon. It would balance our budget over the next decade immediately.

Cycloptichorn

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Is this post about Rush or the other idiot Glenn Beck?

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@Cycloptichorn,

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But it's silly to pretend that the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts were not 'for the rich.' They were exactly that. The average person realized a tiny savings, and the rich realized a gigantic savings. They were specifically set up that way, and the truth is that the 'rich' didn't need that tax cut, not even a little; and there's no evidence whatsoever that it helped the economy at all. It did cost us 2 or 3 trillion dollars, however.

This response of yours is a typical example of ignoring the truth of a situation, and focusing on a narrow aspect. Yes, everyone got a tax cut. No, not all tax cuts were equal. Yes, they were tilted towards the rich and super-rich.

Do you know why the rich got a larger tax cut? They pay the most in taxes. Most of those people that make below $50,000 a year don't pay taxes, they get more back then they pay when they file their taxes. I know this to be true, because last year was the first year I paid more in then I got back. It was enlightening to be sure. As part of the tax cuts didn't Bush create a new lower tax bracket? I believe we now have a group of people who are in a tax bracket that is somewhere around 10%. This would have been a huge tacut for them.

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The push to keep the cuts for the middle class is b/c it's an election season. How hard is that to understand? Nevertheless, as I said above; I agree. All tax cuts should be ended and that soon. It would balance our budget over the next decade immediately.

So you agree that the left wing radio has been dishonest in its coverage of the tax cuts. Thats good to see that you are being honest. I would like to see the all the cuts remain or all of them go away.

How can you have something take effect immediately but still take a decade?

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@Baldimo,

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1) As like most of the left, he confuses the debate on immigration. His claim is that the Republicans and the Tea Party hate immigrants and want them all deported.

As like most on the left?
????

Isn't that the same brush you just said was dishonest? I guess we are starting from the point that you can make sweeping allegations and it's OK but if someone on the other side does it it is dishonest. That doesn't leave much room for discussion.

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@Baldimo,

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So you agree that the left wing radio has been dishonest in its coverage of the tax cuts.

No, I don't agree with you. The Bush Tax cuts were for the Rich, and a few pennies for everyone else. I don't know what specifically the guy you've been listening to has been saying; I couldn't judge that he's being dishonest without knowing more about it.

What more, the Bush Tax cuts were regressive ones; that is to say, they were tilted strongly towards the rich. The vast majority of people saw their taxes reduced by 3%; but the rich and super-rich saw their taxes reduced by 5%, in the 2001 tax cut. Why a larger percentage of reduction for the rich? What is the reasoning behind this? It's simple to figure out - because Republicans think the Rich pay too much in taxes and they hate progressive tax codes. Can you explain why the rich got tax cuts which were more than 1.5 times as large as everyone else?

The 10k tax bracket is a joke, those people already got everything back anyway, so why even bother?

What more so - much more so - is that the 2003 Bush tax cut chopped the Cap gains tax by 1/3rd or more for top filers. This lead to a massive amount of profit for the rich and super rich. So, no - it's not a lie to call the Bush tax cuts 'tax cuts for the rich.' That's exactly what they were.

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How can you have something take effect immediately but still take a decade?

Uh, really?

Let us say that we end the tax cuts effective immediately. Then, over the next decade, we will have balanced our budgets thanks to the additional revenues that come in. These two statements are not contradictory.

Cycloptichorn

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@Baldimo,

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So you agree that the left wing radio has been dishonest in its coverage of the tax cuts. Thats good to see that you are being honest. I would like to see the all the cuts remain or all of them go away.

left wing radio?
Looks like another big dishonest brush there Baldimo.

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@jcboy,

This is about left wing radio, not right wing radio. Plus I ask you this, have you listened to or watched Glenn Beck?

I am refering to Mario Solis-Marich who is on 760am. www.am760.net

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@Baldimo,

I happened to watch Glenn Beck once, he's an embisol and so is anyone who continues to watch this damn fool. And I have read your comments on here, same ol ****.

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As like most on the left?
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sn't that the same brush you just said was dishonest? I guess we are starting from the point that you can make sweeping allegations and it's OK but if someone on the other side does it it is dishonest. That doesn't leave much room for discussion.

Yes most of the left. I listen to mostly left wind radio. Randi Rhodes, Ed Shultz, Thom Hartman, Stephanie Miller etc etc... they have all said immigrants and left off the illegal part. I’m willing to bet that I listen to more left wing talk radio then you do. It is a pretty broad brush, but with the people I listen to they all fit under it.

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@jcboy,

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I happened to watch Glenn Beck once, he's an embisol and so is anyone who continues to watch this damn fool. And I have read your comments on here, same ol ****.

Same ol ****? Really? Can to expand on this? I wasn't the first person to call the Left wing radio on their false statements about the tax cuts and immigration? Doesn't seem to be the same ol ****, seems to be new because I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet.

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@JTT,

hey i used to listen to rush in the afternoon, hannity late nights and some leftwing broad (i can't remember, not maddow, perhaps a blond) in evenings when i was working 14 hour (or more) days a few years back, they were all worthless, but the right wing guys at least put some effort into it, let's face it, right wing talk radio is pathetic

savage is the best, the man is a complete wackjob, but damn he's entertaining

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savage is the best, the man is a complete wackjob, but damn he's entertaining

only listened to him once, I was driving across the NM desert and he was on the radio, I had the stop the truck I was laughing so hard. His rant for the day was against anyone who ate any form of seafood. On the other hand Ed Shultz is a mindless liberal political dork.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Yes most of the left. I listen to mostly left wind radio. Randi Rhodes, Ed Shultz, Thom Hartman, Stephanie Miller etc etc... they have all said immigrants and left off the illegal part. I’m willing to bet that I listen to more left wing talk radio then you do. It is a pretty broad brush, but with the people I listen to they all fit under it.

LOL.. really? And can you provide us evidence of that? Because frankly I don't buy it.

I bet I can find statements more from Rush where he leaves off "illegal" so does that show that the left is accurate?

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@Baldimo,

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Yes most of the left. I listen to mostly left wind radio. Randi Rhodes, Ed Shultz, Thom Hartman, Stephanie Miller etc etc.

I didn't realize that the left was made up of only radio talk show hosts.

Perhaps you shouldn't complain about people leaving off "illegal" Baldimo when you want to argue that the left is made up of only talk show radio.

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@parados,

If you missed the title of the thread, it was called Progressive talk radio dishonesty. All the people I have listed are on the left. The title of the thread isn't Conservative talk radio dishonesty. I'm sure that as been covered here more then once on able2know. If you want a listing of right wing talk radio dishonesty, go check out media matters. God knows that don't do the same for left wing radio. Their name in itself is dishonest. If media mattered they would address all radio instead of just right wing radio.

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Baldimo, I'm neither on the left or right, but I know one thing... you are one hell of a dork.

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