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Obamas Destruction of the Economy Will Be Complete and Absolute

 
 
Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:18 am
Obama’s Centrally Planned Economy

It can only be governmental arrogance combined with that of a community organizer that would make one think anyone has the power to centrally plan an economy. The market is as liquid as water and will run to fill every crevice where there is an unfilled void between what consumers wish to buy and what entrepreneurs can learn to produce at a profit. The crevices run deep and form a complex web comprised of billions of people deciding on any given day what they desire based on necessity, desire, and manipulation.

All these considerations are balanced against one's ability and determination to buy or sell at a given price based on sliding scales. These calculations include not only consumption, but also saving and investment, taking into account issues of time preference and the determination to delay the fulfillment of immediate desires or prioritize the meeting of immediate needs in order to have greater wealth and choices at a later time in the future. These decisions necessitate an understanding of economic calculation, division of labor, marginal utility, time preference, supply and demand, market cycles, interest and government intervention into the marketplace.

There is no way government can successfully force these personal decisions that take place millions of times every second to occur via government fiat. The pricing mechanisms used to conduct economic calculation and determine pricing, interest, labor and where to allocate such based on needs at various levels of production, and market corrections that need to occur via inflation and deflation at the macro and micro levels of the economy are beyond the control of government. The complexity of billions of decisions and economic calculations that take place naturally in a free market is beyond anything the government, through threat or use of violence, central planning or other types of market manipulations can cause to occur with the accuracy and responsiveness of a free market economy void of government interference. Hence, Ludwig Von Mises, in the school of Austrian economic thought, developed a name for this phenomenon that accounts for this complexity and called it praxeology.

While Mises claims, rightly so, that this natural market phenomenon is beyond anything the government could replicate,it is something that needs to be accounted for in the science of economics and considered when dealing with other economic laws that are as immutable as gravity. It is without exception that government interference within this realm or scope of human endeavor is a road that leads to futility and allows us to understand the limits of the usefulness of government force. The government can create false demands and scarcity through licensing and prohibition, or surplus through manipulation of money supply and interest, but both examples demonstrate market manipulation and distortion due to government interference with unintended results and unforseen consequences.

Some of the immutable laws are: There is always scarcity. Uncertainty motivates people to undertake action. There are no free lunches, as the time spent on recreation is time lost from production. The desire to have something now forces the surrender of capital in form of interest. Saving leads to greater economic choice. To a single consumer the hundredth loaf of bread is not as valuable as the first. As labor is a commodity, scarcity of labor in an area of production or services leads to an increase in its valuation in that area. The high price paid for this labor, skilled or intellectual, leads to an increase in the supply of that labor, as even labor flows to fill voids created between supply and demand. In a properly functioning economy the market works to reach equilibrium as voids between supply and demand are filled for goods and services, labor and capital, and interest and resources for manufacturing and various levels of production. There is always scarcity and so people have to prioritize their desire, which in the aggregate comprises market demand.

The natural drive of the market to reach proper exchange ratios is described in the Austrian School of Economics as catallactics. It can be said then that there is a ying and yang to praxeology and catallactics. This is something that is never mentioned in the Keynesian theory that dominates today’s economic thought and political economy, but its implications are as far reaching as the real estate market collapse, the flow of capital into collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps, or the pricing of illicit drugs.

There is even a ying and yang to the cost of illegal drugs as prohibition drives the profits higher through the government attempting to alter availability. The law of supply and demand, as well as other economic laws, do not cease to exist as a result of government interference and force, these laws merely lead to distortions of the market. As the profitability of drugs becomes higher, more police, prisons, lawyers, health care workers and judges are allocated. As a slave market of prison labor develops for exploitation, other elements of this equation also begin to develop a life of their own. Then we see more drugs, more laws, more draconian sentences, unions, media manipulation and propaganda, the attending loss of liberties and the criminalization of harmless actions by agents seeking to justify their existence and feeding from the government trough. The political arena is then also skewed as political demagogues pander to constituents within the framework of government created distortions. The political distortions then lead to even greater economic distortions as the government creates a “War of Drugs”, “War on Poverty”, and “War on Terror”. All the false economies located therein create no wealth or economic product, but grow like weeds choking off the real economy while making slaves of those who survive by selling their labor.

The biggest distortion the government has created, one that is the most hidden, interwoven and one that will make the real estate bubble look like a needle in a haystack, is the dollar bubble. The government uses housing code to prop up home construction, but people have been building homes since the dawn of man. Houses should only cost a fraction of what this distorted market commands. We have a contracting economy in which the government is attempting to re-inflate the housing bubble. Economic law cannot be trumped. You cannot make a $1 bag of peanuts worth $100 regardless of how many people own stock in peanut farms. You can distort the economy until you reach this goal, but then as a $1 bag of peanuts is now worth $100, so to is the $1 can of pop. But the housing bubble, excuse the analogy, is peanuts compared to the dollar bubble. As the dollar bubble deflates, we will see stocks become as worthless as the denomination of the monetary unit used to purchase it.

The problem with Keynesian economics is that money is created by government fiat and not as a result of capital that has formed due to businesses profitably meeting the needs of the marketplace. There is nothing to stop money creation except the limit of those who borrow to finance debt. Money is not created by the government, but by banks. It is true the Government Mint prints out the monetary unit, but this money is pocket change compared to the checkbook money that is exchanged daily. The pocket money and checkbook money is peanuts compared to the digital money that represents the value of all real property, such as buildings and expensive consumables like cars, boats, planes, and trains. We have not even mentioned the value of commodities like gold, silver, precious gems, energy, food and the short-term costs of labor, all which are usually monetized with existing pocketbook and checkbook money. The things that have not been properly monetized, or have been improperly valued due to market distortions, are future obligations. Things like social security, Medicaid, retirement accounts, and the explosion of the warfare/welfare state are the “known unknowns”. But like with the housing bubble, there are many “unknown unknowns” with respect to the government having reasons to steal wealth through taxation, inflation, and regulation.

Collateralized debt obligations, stocks, mortgages and other financial instuments and derivitives are all attempts to conduct stable and safe valuation and storage of savings, property and business activity, but there is nothing that has shown the stability of gold. In the year of our Lord an ounce of gold would by you a fine toga and a pair of sandals with which to go out and buy the best meal in Rome. Here we are 2010 years later and once of gold will still buy you a fine suit and pair of shoes to go out and get the best meal you can buy in New York. Consider the amount of gold needed to buy 500 pounds of steak and you will find the price in gold have been essentially unchanged in 100 years. Which brings us to the question as to why this is not taught in the classroom, nor is economic policy or theory.

Americans should know that the Federal Reserve is the agency that actually creates money. It is this creation of the monetary unit that allows all human endeavor, be it taking a vacation, watching television or lending at interest to be practically and accurately valued and monetized. However, when government and the private banking system, a system that is obscured, hidden, and purposely misnamed the Federal Reserve to hide the fact that it is a private money cartel, all collude to distribute wealth while also concentrating it into the hands of the very few power elites, we begin to understand the modus operandi of banking and government.

The government has not only placed Americans on the hook for all banking losses, but it has also placed Americans on the hook for the retirement and medical bills of every single governmental worker, now the biggest employer in a false economy distorted by the unlimited creation of money and price-fixing in the form of government manipulation in credit and interest.

Wikipedia defines a derivative as being “a financial instrument - or more simply, an agreement between two people or two parties - that has a value determined by the price of something else (called the underlying). It is a financial contract with a value linked to the expected future price movements of the asset it is linked to - such as a share or a currency. There are many kinds of derivatives, with the most notable being swaps, futures, and options. However, since a derivative can be placed on any sort of security, the scope of all derivatives possible is nearly endless. Thus, the real definition of a derivative is an agreement between two parties that is contingent on a future outcome of the underlying. Referring to derivatives as stand-alone assets would be a misconception, since a derivative is incapable of having value of its own. However, some more commonplace derivatives, such as swaps, futures, and options, (which have a theoretical face value that can be calculated using formulas.” Such have been traded on markets before their expiration date as if they were assets.

This being the case, we see that money itself is a financial instrument and its value is actually determined by its ability to buy commodities. The value of real estate had shown to fluctuate wildly and therefore is something that hampers monetary unit valuation and makes property a very poor underly, with the exception of property used for the production of commodities such as food or extraction of precious metals and energy.

Another example of wealth destruction and transfer caused by government intervention, even intervention designed with the best intentions, was the easily obtained farm loans that ended up leading to foreclosures. We can see the impact of a Federal Reserve allowed to print all the money it decides to lend to corporate interests. It was this unlimited lending that helped cause the illiquidity for small farms while corporate conglomerates were able to obtain all the money they needed to drive down profits for small farms and then buy them up and consolidate them into multi-national corporations.

Eventually, we run into a problem as citizens are more and more taxed and increasing amounts of the paper monetary unit are printed that is backed by nothing except consumer confidence and our ability to wage war to protect the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. We have overextended ourselves as a nation and now cannot fund the exponential growth of expanding liabilities in a contracting economy. Under such circumstances there are only several options that can occur:

1.The government can raise taxes, which will decrease productivity and cause the need for greater taxation until it destroys the productive economy.
2.It can inflate the money supply thereby discouraging savings needed for investment to allow capital to flow into productive areas of the economy that need to retool or be built instead of bailing out failing industries that have proven to destroy wealth and fail to meet market demands or heed to market discipline.
3.It can borrow, but as lenders begin to see the U.S. is paying its debt with nothing more than printed paper, exponential J-curve interest payments will consume an increasing amount of money that can only be met with more inflationary dollars that will eventually lead to hyper-inflation. The government will then meet its debt obligations with paper money of no value. Don’t forget that government debt is not financed on a long-term basis. It is funded short-term and therefore regularly resets according to interest in the current market.
4.It can default on its debt leading to mass social upheaval.

There is one other option, an impossibility really, and so I did not mention it in the previous category of alternatives. The government can reduce its size and scope through amputation. As nobody wants to cut off their appendages, and even more distasteful to bureaucrats is the loss of power, authority and livelihood, it is a political impossibility that government will never accept market discipline. While never producing anything itself and living as a parasite by forcing producers to pay for the distribution of their own wealth to non-producers, government has ensured is will survive longer than the host for which it feeds.

Lastly, I want to mention the Austrian theory of business cycle. As people borrow money, the banking system creates only the principle. However, long-term loans for things such as housing end up costing the borrower three times the amount of the loan. This money is not created by the banking system, but has to be pulled out of an expanding economy. However, we now have a contracting economy in which interest on debt has begun to consume more of the GDP. Domestically, the money becomes increasingly concentrated. As money begins to dry up in a contracting economy, depression begins and the banks end up with all the money followed by all the property as foreclosures begin to take hold. Then, as foreign business are paid in dollars that have become decreasingly valuable in international markets, they will begin to use American GNP to buy up GDP. This phenomenon will further decreases GDP as capital flows away from Americans in the form of GNP to the benefit of foreign interests.

China has used this fact to obtain money to build its manufacturing base while the U.S. has allowed the export of its productive capacity to flow out as readily as its GNP. This flow of capital cannot be stopped except by constructing trade barriers. However, such barriers will end up harming a debt/consumer/service-based economy much more than one that has a huge manufacturing capacity. China’s government will always have the option of producing consumables for its own people by unhitching itself from the caboose of American consumerism and currency. Regardless of the reason for China’s eventual intention to divest itself from its dollar holdings, be it political or economic, it is inevitable and the results will be the same regardless of why this occurrence takes place. Suddenly the consumer goods we took for granted as no longer inexpensive.

There are many forces working to deflate and inflate, but neither will create true stability nor work towards prosperity for the American people. Money creation versus concentration will always be forces with which to contend. But, it is ignorance of economics and political intervention into the marketplace for imperial interests that have led to the destruction of republics and the enslavement of people whose lack of understanding of such forces are deemed the effects of God’s punishment for a nation’s iniquity or some mysteroius force in nature. There may be some truth to this. However, as a founding father John Adams warned, “All the complexities confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects of the constitution, not for want of honor or virtue so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.”

The dollar has been debased and is no longer a sound unit of measure to be used as a storage of value. Instead of the monetary unit being designed as a holder of value, our money system has become a way for the elite to steal wealth through inflation, manipulation of the money supply, and as a way to buy assets with worthless paper printed on a press. Paper was never meant to be money and is only a modern historical occurrence. Most people cannot think otherwise as they have no historical perspective or understanding of economic theory. The bible has repeated passages regarding the importance of having honest weights and measures. Deuteronomy 25:15 states: “But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.” Leviticus19:36 states, “Your scales and weights must be accurate. Your containers for measuring dry materials or liquids must be accurate. I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt.” Any economic system not based on these biblical truths is an unstable system that will lead to harm. The dollar is nothing more than a paper container used hold value while also serving as a medium of exchange. To manipulate its measure is to steal. Diluting the money supply is akin to selling gold coin that has been debased with lead. It is theft, pure and simple, by a banking system and a fictional entity called government made up of counsels of men who collude and devise ways to steal wealth.

When one understands the fall of nations, empires and civilizations, it is with amazement that one views the obliviousness with which our elected officials and ruling classes view the economic carnage, human suffering and resulting wars created from such a disastrous and unbiblical system. There is only one fix to this mess and that is for people to repudiate government itself and develop a system based on cooperation and peaceful exchange.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:38 am
All those words to say that the Republican Great Recession and destruction of the economy was not really their fault.
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:08 am
@edgarblythe,
He did what they would have done to save the economy, but because he failed as they would have failed he is damned... He picked a bad time to be black... When times are rough they always take a bigger hit.

You know, the economy is supposed to support the country, the govenment and the people; and for how many years now has the government and people supported the economy, and drug it away from death's door as it was keying the lock... Let it die and start over... It has failed... It has capitalized the world, be we cannot afford to buy back all the products american capital produces abroad... It is a losing game and one we cannot afford to support... And the losing game gets us no closer to world peace, and how can we demand world peace when we are in the first stages of a civil war in this country...We are still deciding the issues of the last civil war, whether we will be all slave, or all free..
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:38 am
@digital82711,
TL ; DR
rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 09:01 am
@edgarblythe,
Anyone who isent brain dead know it was republican greed that caused the recession.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 10:00 am
@rabel22,
I would say it was everyones greed, not just the repubs.
Unless you are seriously saying that no dems got rich or made money before the recession.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 10:05 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

I would say it was everyones greed, not just the repubs.
Unless you are seriously saying that no dems got rich or made money before the recession.


All investors are greedy; but it was the refusal of the Republican party to regulate an extremely dangerous market, which lead to our financial crash, more so than any other reason.

Cycloptichorn
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 12:41 pm
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:

Anyone who isent brain dead know it was republican greed that caused the recession.
Bushet... They are all the same, and we were all greedy for our rents and profits when it came out of some one elses hide... Then when it comes out of our hides it is dirty republican, or dirty democrat...What we accept we defend, and there is no want of defense of capital, even when it ruins people and countries, because no economic system is better, and since not one is better, why bother looking...
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 12:48 pm
@digital82711,
I always find screeds like this rather humorous.

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There is no way government can successfully force these personal decisions that take place millions of times every second to occur via government fiat. The pricing mechanisms used to conduct economic calculation and determine pricing, interest, labor and where to allocate such based on needs at various levels of production, and market corrections that need to occur via inflation and deflation at the macro and micro levels of the economy are beyond the control of government.

If that is the case, then I guess tax rates don't really matter, do they?
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digital82711
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:04 pm
What kills me is the way the SYSTEM pits conservatives against liberals. The problem is in the system. It matters not if the money is spent on warfare or welfare, it is that the money is spent.

If America got rid of the Federal Reserve and printed its own money, the tens of billions of dollars spent on interest would belong to the people and not the Rothchilds.

And, the propblem was not the free market. The problem was the result of governmment interference. The loans were guaranteed. With nothing to lose, why not bet the whole enchilada. Risk moderates greed. Take risk out of the equation and there is no limiting factor.

The banks get their money back when they lose big. People don't worry about what the lending practices are at the bank where they store their money, and investors actually believe the SEC has three brain cell among the whole agency to check up on fund managers, but all this does is create hazard.

None of this is the free market, but instead is government intervention into the market. Then the government pushed to lower lending standards in quasi-governmental agencies like Freddy and Fanny because politicians thought it a good idea for everyone to own their homes. This is more goverment intervention and distortion of the market.
America needs to get rid of the Federal Reserve and return to commodity money, not print debt money like newspapers
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:17 pm
@digital82711,
digital82711 wrote:

What kills me is the way the SYSTEM pits conservatives against liberals. The problem is in the system. It matters not if the money is spent on warfare or welfare, it is that the money is spent.

If America got rid of the Federal Reserve and printed its own money, the tens of billions of dollars spent on interest would belong to the people and not the Rothchilds.

And, the propblem was not the free market. The problem was the result of governmment interference. The loans were guaranteed. With nothing to lose, why not bet the whole enchilada. Risk moderates greed. Take risk out of the equation and there is no limiting factor.


Though your first two paragraphs are the usual anti-government ranting, your third one betrays a profound ignorance as to the causes of the financial crisis of 2008. What you have written simply isn't true.

I also find your ranting re: paper money to be quite quaint and funny; why, exactly, should my dollar be in the form of a coin, instead of a note? Do you somehow pretend that inflation doesn't take place when there is a so-called 'hard' currency?

Cycloptichorn
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:33 pm
@digital82711,
Quote:
If America got rid of the Federal Reserve and printed its own money, the tens of billions of dollars spent on interest would belong to the people and not the Rothchilds.

So, do you wear tinfoil at night to keep the aliens from reading your brain waves?
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:23 pm
@digital82711,
digital82711 wrote:

What kills me is the way the SYSTEM pits conservatives against liberals. The problem is in the system. It matters not if the money is spent on warfare or welfare, it is that the money is spent.

If America got rid of the Federal Reserve and printed its own money, the tens of billions of dollars spent on interest would belong to the people and not the Rothchilds.

And, the propblem was not the free market. The problem was the result of governmment interference. The loans were guaranteed. With nothing to lose, why not bet the whole enchilada. Risk moderates greed. Take risk out of the equation and there is no limiting factor.

The banks get their money back when they lose big. People don't worry about what the lending practices are at the bank where they store their money, and investors actually believe the SEC has three brain cell among the whole agency to check up on fund managers, but all this does is create hazard.

None of this is the free market, but instead is government intervention into the market. Then the government pushed to lower lending standards in quasi-governmental agencies like Freddy and Fanny because politicians thought it a good idea for everyone to own their homes. This is more goverment intervention and distortion of the market.
America needs to get rid of the Federal Reserve and return to commodity money, not print debt money like newspapers
Rothchilds??? you dirty firlthy antisemetic... What about the Fuggers??? Want to include them too??? It may be that the jews run America, but if they were kickedout of their banking we would still be bled by others... I heard in on nbc today... No one likes wall street until they need a new sewer on their street and then wall street helps them get it... Well sure, and nothing else gets done unless they get their profit on top of the profit of every small contractor, but when the high cost of infrastructure is tallied, only labor gets any blame... Why is that, that no one can see the cost of high interest in everything we make, do, buy, or sell???
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:32 pm
@digital82711,
digital82711 wrote:

The banks get their money back when they lose big. .....all this does is create hazard.

None of this is the free market, but instead is government intervention into the market. ...... This is more goverment intervention and distortion of the market.
America needs to get rid of the Federal Reserve and return to commodity money, not print debt money like newspapers

Long as the Chinese want to collect our junk paper it's hard to stop printing it. But believe it or not, we actually have a plan:

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.....the president has “seized the reins” on financial reform, so it’s a good moment for Reaganite conservatives to reach a consensus on what actually went wrong on Wall Street and, by extension, what reforms are appropriate.

They should listen to Prof. Robert Mundell, known as the father of supply-side economics, who discussed the financial crisis last week at the Heritage Foundation — Mundell comes on at about 1:15, though the whole video is worth watching.

For those not familiar with the Nobel Laureate, Mundell has been a guiding force behind major economic expansions since the early 1960s. His work as a young man likely influenced the Kennedy administration to ignore its Keynesian advisers in favor of tax cuts and sound money, leading to the robust expansion of 1961–68. Mundell correctly predicted the inflationary disease of the 1970s and advocated the supply-side policy mix that spurred two decades of non-inflationary expansion in the 1980s and ’90s. Mundell’s writing on optimum currency areas was the basis for the euro’s creation in 1999, erasing exchange-rate barriers across the world’s second largest economy. And Mundell has been an important adviser to China for two decades, guiding its economy out of Communist infancy to become the significant financial power it is today.

Mundell argues the recent crisis had three distinct parts.

Part One was the real-estate bubble and subsequent bank-solvency crisis, which began in 2006. He says the bubble was generated primarily by the dollar’s fall after 2001, as U.S. monetary authorities made clear they wanted a lower dollar to improve exports. As the greenback dropped on foreign exchanges and against gold and other commodities, investors pursued the classic inflation hedge: They borrowed and bought hard assets, expecting to repay the debt with cheaper future dollars. Real estate, already roaring due to 1997’s expanded housing tax deduction, went into overdrive, goosed by subprime lending and mortgage securitization.

Part Two of Mundell’s analysis is the most intriguing and least understood aspect. He argues that, as the real-estate bubble burst, large quantities of fresh liquidity were demanded by the public and banks. In summer 2007, the world’s central banks supplied it and no liquidity crunch developed. But by summer 2008, spooked by rising inflation, the U.S. Federal Reserve failed to provide adequate cash, leading to dollar scarcity. Four key symptoms of tight money appeared within months: the dollar rose 30 percent against the euro; gold fell 30 percent; oil fell 80 percent; and the inflation rate dropped from 5.5 percent to negative levels. As a result, Mundell believes, Lehman Brothers collapsed, the stock market went into free fall, and a near-panic ensued. This phase was entirely preventable and constitutes one of the worst mistakes in Fed history, Mundell says. The crisis eased in early 2009, as the Fed upped the money supply, but the damage was done.

Part Three of Mundell’s analysis is the recession of 2008–09, with bailouts, rising unemployment, and skyrocketing deficits. He predicts decent growth this year, but believes unemployment will remain high and the recovery will be weak.

He says the U.S. must extend the Bush tax cuts and should also cut the corporation tax rate from 35 percent to 15 percent, to spur investment and recapitalize banks. Importantly, he says the U.S. should fix the dollar’s value against the yuan and the euro, thus creating an enormous common-currency area free of exchange-rate turbulence, which will prevent future debacles. It should be clear that Mundell sees a low and unstable dollar as culprit Number One in the crisis, and as the Bush administration’s biggest mistake.

A political footnote: The real-estate bubble bursting into the solvency crisis, plus oil at $150 per barrel, coincided with the election of 2006 in which the GOP lost its twelve-year congressional majority. The 2008 crisis coincided with further Republican losses. Coincidence? You be the judge.

With the economy now on the mend at least somewhat, the GOP will require a smart economic message to explain what it has learned and how it will do better if returned to power. They should listen to Mundell, as Reagan did.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/198495/robert-mundell-financial-crisis/sean-rushton
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:37 pm
@joefromchicago,
Joe - is this a cryptanalysis key?!
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 08:25 am
@High Seas,

Problem: Capital is killing us...

Solution: Feed capital with tax breaks...
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 08:39 am
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

Joe - is this a cryptanalysis key?!


It is internet shorthand for "Too Long"(TL) -- "Didn't Read" (DR).
High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 12:33 pm
@wandeljw,
Thanks for translation, Wandel - sounds like George III telling Gibbon "Scribble, scribble, scribble, eh Mr. Gibbon?" upon being presented with copy of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Staying with economics: posted plan is only workable one - Obama is by now a proven fraud.
rabel22
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 03:46 pm
@High Seas,
So Bushes plan to make the rich richer while destroying the middle class is much better? Lets encourage business to move to foreign countries by by giveing them more money in tax breaks so they can move their capitol overseas and avoid paying taxes in this country.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 03:50 pm
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:

So Bushes plan to make the rich richer while destroying the middle class is much better? Lets encourage business to move to foreign countries by by giveing them more money in tax breaks so they can move their capitol overseas and avoid paying taxes in this country.


Well, I get your point completely, but Helen here is a confirmed and total Randian, and just considers anyone who isn't on top of the pile to be parasitic scum anyway.

Cycloptichorn
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