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Top Preforming CEO fired for lying on his Expense Report

 
 
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 01:09 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
I think it's too bad that he still got a severance package.


agreed, when i hear fired, i always hope it's used the way they used it in the first episode of Futurama, fry is said he will be evaluated and assigned a job, he asks what happens if he doesn't like the job, he's informed, "You'll be fired", "big deal", Fry responds, the woman goes on to finnish, "Out of a cannon, into the sun"
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 04:30 pm
@djjd62,
usually there are contract packages that are negotiated up feront (when he was hired). Many CEOs actuall use attorneys as agents to help in fleshing out their contracts.
Usually , like Bernie MAddof it would take something criminal (not mere ethics ) to negate the contract.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 06:55 pm
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In an impassioned e-mail sent to The New York Times, Mr. Ellison chided H.P.’s board for what he said was a grave mistake.

“The H.P. board just made the worst personnel decision since the idiots on the Apple board fired Steve Jobs many years ago,” Mr. Ellison wrote. “That decision nearly destroyed Apple and would have if Steve hadn’t come back and saved them.”

Oracle, the world’s largest database software maker, has been a close partner of H.P., which sells large computing systems to corporations.

Since its acquisition of Sun Microsystems, completed early this year, Oracle has become a major rival to H.P. in the computing hardware market.

Mr. Ellison and Mr. Hurd, meanwhile, have been close personal friends. Both are avid tennis players, and Mr. Hurd often plays at Mr. Ellison’s house in Silicon Valley.

Mr. Ellison’s attack on the H.P. board focused on questions of corporate governance.

“In losing Mark Hurd, the H.P. board failed to act in the best interest of H.P.’s employees, shareholders, customers and partners,” Mr. Ellison wrote. “The H.P. board admits that it fully investigated the sexual harassment claims against Mark and found them to be utterly false.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/technology/10hewlett.html?hpw
I dont think that Ellison himself is as highly regarded as he was a decade ago, but still the HP board can not brush these comments off. You gotta wonder who would want to take over HP after this incident and ALL of the problems HP has had over the last decade, to include a horrible CEO for much of it (Fiorina). If the HP board can not come up with a stellar replacement for Hurd they will be looking for new positions, no way do the stockholders take a loss of value at the hands of moralistic idiots on the board with out retaliating.

the stock is down 8% today, as reality sets in.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 08:53 pm
@engineer,
I work a retail job and if a customer throws a nickel into the penny jar and an employee takes, he is fired. Sexual harassment is another guaranteed dismissal.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 08:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'll take the job. That's eight figures a year, right? Plus a golden parachute? Yep, I'll take it and promise not to fake expense reports either. Unfortunately for me, I don't think there will be a lack of more qualified people lining up to take the job. But if you're right and no one will have it, I'm ready and I'll relocate. Well, I'll keep my place as a spring and fall vacation home since I'll be able to pay it off with my first month's salary, but you know what I mean.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 08:48 am
@engineer,
Id say that HP would be a great buy on Wednesday.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 10:33 am
@farmerman,
Excellent observation, farmerman. There's no reason for HP to lose 8% in its equity value based on one CEO's dismissal. One man never runs the whole company; it takes a team.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 10:40 am
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Based on the evidence that has been released to date, the most likely scenario seems like the following:

1. Mark Hurd spent some quality time with Jodie Fisher, some of which was on the company's dime. He developed a crush on her or she developed a crush on him, and the feeling was, initially, mutual.

2. Someone--Mark or Jodie--wanted the quality time to progress to a full-blown love affair. For whatever reason--perhaps because the lust was, at some point, unrequited--it did not.

3. Jodie Fisher stopped getting consulting assignments from HP and stopped having quality time with Mark. This likely happened either because 1) Mark decided a quick romp the relationship wasn't worth risking his job and/or wrecking his marriage over or 2) because Mark had realized he wasn't going to get lucky and moved on or 3) because Jodie Fisher suddenly felt uncomfortable in Mark's presence.

4. Sometime thereafter, Jodie Fisher concluded that "sexual harassment" had occurred. (Because her love was unrequited and she was obsessed and disappointed? Because Mark demanded consulting services that she didn't want to provide? As yet, we don't know.)

5. Jodie threatened to sue Mark for sexual harassment.

6. HP's board freaked.

7. HP's board investigated the sexual harassment claim and found... nothing. But...

8. HP's board was still terrified of the bad publicity that would ensue when Fisher's attorney, Gloria "Pit Bull" Allred, went on all the talk shows raving about what a horrible sex predator their CEO was and how he had demanded an innocent single mother do all sorts of heinous things and then fired her when she didn't.

9. HP's board, thankfully, found some inaccuracies in Mark's expense reports, which they realized they could use to oust him--and, thereby, conveniently, avoid the bad publicity above.

10. HP's board concluded that the inaccuracies did NOT constitute obvious proof of fraud or embezzlement and that it was worth $40 million in severance not to have Mark Hurd sue the company for wrongful termination. And they therefore demanded his resignation instead of firing him.

That, in our opinion, is the most likely story of what happened here.
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/the-real-reason-hp-fired-mark-hurd-%28as-best-we-can-tell-...-%29-535311.html?tickers=HPQ,ORCL,QQQQ,%5EDJI,%5EIXIC,IYW,XLK&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 10:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
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There's no reason for HP to lose 8% in its equity value based on one CEO's dismissal.
losing a good ceo and coming to the conclusion that your board is incompetent is plenty of reason to be down 8%. There is no improvement so far today.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 10:53 am
@hawkeye10,
You left out this part:

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Now, none of this is to say that Hurd wasn't a reckless idiot.


This could, I imagine, have been part of the board's thinking.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 10:55 am
@hawkeye10,
hawk, Hurd was not a "good ceo." He falsified his expense reports.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 11:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
A Bloomberg report stating that several analysts have now downgraded HPQ, that the 8% was all because of Hurd leaving and is the fair market value of Hurd..Disputing your point CI that this 8% drop does not make sense and is not sustainable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/62115018
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2010 11:06 am
@hawkeye10,
I don't hold up Bloomberg "or several analysts" as any god of fiance.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 04:46 pm
DOW was off 2.5% today....HPQ down 3.7% on the day.

The board does not look too smart at the moment....
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 04:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
Doing the right thing might not always be great for your wallet, but that doesn't make it the right thing.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 05:01 pm
@engineer,
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Doing the right thing might not always be great for your wallet, but that doesn't make it the right thing.
The board is free to make the argument that being morally right trumps its duty to maximize share holder value, but you cant escape the conclusion that so far the people with the money dont seem to agree. The board better have more than claims of moral purity up their sleeves if they want to keep their positions.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 05:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
What kind of message would overlooking the impropriety send? What would that do to the price? The market will sort itself out, HP will sort itself out and the world will not come to an end.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 05:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Watching what the market is doing in the short term is a fools game.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 05:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
In the long term I believe setting high standards and insisting they be met will result in a corporate culture that will maximize corporate value. Ask BP about how much you can save by taking shortcuts.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 07:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, Do you remember the first time J&J recalled Tylenol? Do you also know what's happening to BP?

Do you also remember what happened to Toyota when all the bad news about their brakes came out, and more consumers claimed such? Do you know what the final finding was?

Do you know what happens when the CEO of a company is known to cheat on his expense report by other companies who wish to do business with HP?

Do you know what stealing is?
 

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