@Caroline,
OmSigDAVID wrote:If criminals are willing to ignore the laws against ROBBERY;
if criminals are willing to disregard the laws against MURDER,
HOW can we convince them to OBAY "gun control" laws ?
Caroline wrote:Well put, can't argue with that except my point wasn't really about criminals disobeying gun laws, my point is the easy access to guns thus criminals kill innocent people with, your robber is an example, we don't hear of things like that happening everyday in the UK, although there is an underground market for guns and my fear is gun crime will be common as in the US.
Guns are like seatbelts; valuable emergency equipment:
if that is not conveniently easy for potential future victims to use,
then thay will not use it, to their detriment: loss of life.
Criminals
will be armed as well as thay want to be,
(even in prison).
In America, we have the U.S. Dept. of Labor,
including its Occupational Safety and Health Administraton
(its called O.S.H.A.) whose mission it is to make workplaces safer.
Gun control (i.e., discriminatory licenusure of the right to defend your life)
is O.S.H.A. for violent criminals, protecting them
on-the-job
from the defenses of their victims.
OmSigDAVID wrote:Well, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote Sherlock Holmes in the 1800s, including accounts
of Holmes & of Dr. Watson thinking nothing of including their revolvers
among their daily equipment. Maybe that 's indicative.
Caroline wrote:Indicative of what? Sherlock Holmes is fictional written about thrilling detective stories.
Indicative of
the norm of how gentlemen
dressed and
prepared to defend themselves
(if necessary) in public in the 1800s and early 1900s.
Caroline wrote:My point is not everyone respects guns and innocent victims die everyday, I don't have a problem with guns themselves, it's some of the looneys behind them that scare me. Please don't say shootings are common in the US?
Efforts to disarm criminals are effective only in
disarming future victims,
thereby giving criminals a better incentive, a fringe benefit.
OmSigDAVID wrote:Incidentally , my grandfather was from a place called Devonshire, England.
Caroline wrote:Well that is where I was brought up, I don't live there now.
Devon is a county in the south of England and I lived in Plymouth,
a city in Devon. Well well well, we could be related!
OmSigDAVID wrote:Yes; we must be.
Ok cous' round yours for chrimbo then.
Caroline wrote:But I doubt it. Do you know which part of Devonshire he was from, what town or city?
It's beautiful down there and by the sea which I love and miss.
OmSigDAVID wrote:No; I did not even know that it HAS towns n cities in it.
Someone said that it has good strawberry shortcake in it.
Caroline wrote:Well Devon is famous for it's clotted cream,
it's really thick and is often eaten with jam spread on scones,
traditional is that. I love it.
Yes; I recognize the name.
I 've never had it. I don 't believe that we have that in America.
David