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How old is old enough to be home alone?

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 07:11 pm
@sozobe,
I surely agree with happy resolution re single mom.

I'd be doing a freakola re my pet or pets, as I presume you are, Rg.

I don't want to get into the argument re humans and pets, interesting as that may be in all sorts of details.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 07:43 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
I surely agree with happy resolution re single mom.

I'd be doing a freakola re my pet or pets, as I presume you are, Rg.

I don't want to get into the argument re humans and pets, interesting as that may be in all sorts of details.
I travel a lot; when I had pets, I always had paid benevolent caretakers for them.

Humans (shoud that be humen ?) of suitable age can take care of themselves, unlike non-human pets.





David
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 08:02 pm
From my POV, my thinking mirrors those of dys; the environment issue is a biggie for me. Most likely, children from 10 to 13 are able to be somewhat independent about going to school. The main issue would be food and shelter.

Why not talk with the children and get some info on how they think and feel? Maybe, that'll give you a starting point on what concerns you should have.

Good luck, buddie.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 08:04 pm
@Pemerson,
Pemerson wrote:
David, everybody is not like you.
My mother used to tell me:
"David, you 're like someone from ANOTHER PLANET !
Other people don 't say things like u."





Pemerson wrote:
I hope that lady's 9-yr-old boy had a neighbor
like the author of this thread.
Thay were discussing their relatives, as possibilities.

I was silently taken aback
that he WANTED to have a babysitter.

At his age, I 'd have been very offended,
if anyone had suggested that I have one.

Apparently, the boy was afraid of being alone at home.
He was unarmed.

I had been a little uneasy about it, before I armed myself.





Pemerson wrote:
My husband was an only child.
He would have loved having a noisy family.
I used to privately consider myself to be an adult.
I was glad to have no siblings.





David
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mister kitten
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 08:08 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I can remember a few years ago when I was 12-13-years-old and taking care of my three younger siblings (all under age 6) while home alone.

I think if the children are well-minded they'd be semi-fine alone.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 08:14 pm
@mister kitten,
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I think if the children are well-minded they'd be semi-fine alone.
For my kids "alone" was a relative term....they knew who to call and where to go if they had a problem that they could not handle...this being before cell phones came into wide use.
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Caroline
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 08:39 pm
It's a tough one, I would say that a kid can look after himself, is not going to put himself in danger, by the age of about ten. I know when I was at least 7 or 8 that I used to walk to and fro school no problem but my best friend used to be picked up by her mum without fail. You can teach kids safety and they are pretty sensible in not putting themselves in danger like not talking to strangers, for instance. I'm not a parent so I wouldn't know what fears go through a parents mind if the kids are left alone. I think the law in the UK is 12 but don't quote me on that. A lot of kids are sensible and well behaved but I guess you might think what if there's an emergency I'd like to be there but I don't think the house if going to burn down if your kids are taught properly. It's a tough one.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 09:31 pm
@Caroline,
Caroline wrote:
It's a tough one, I would say that a kid can look after himself, is not going to put himself in danger, by the age of about ten. I know when I was at least 7 or 8 that I used to walk to and fro school no problem but my best friend used to be picked up by her mum without fail. You can teach kids safety and they are pretty sensible in not putting themselves in danger like not talking to strangers, for instance. I'm not a parent so I wouldn't know what fears go through a parents mind if the kids are left alone. I think the law in the UK is 12 but don't quote me on that. A lot of kids are sensible and well behaved but I guess you might think what if there's an emergency I'd like to be there but I don't think the house if going to burn down if your kids are taught properly. It's a tough one.
I remember kindergarten, at age 5 in NY (Queens),
all of the kids were left to walk to and from school.

That was ASSUMED, and taken for granted, as the state of Nature.
Caroline
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 10:07 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I remember kindergarten, at age 5 in NY (Queens),
all of the kids were left to walk to and from school.

That was ASSUMED, and taken for granted, as the state of Nature.
Do you mean it was taken for granted it was safe for the kids to walk home alone, I suppose it was less dangerous for kids then, like my Grandma always left her front door open. Not sure what you mean as the state of Nature, do you mean it was natural for kids to be free to walk home on their own. Thinking about it my mum stopped taking me to school when I was 6 maybe even five but I don't remember that far back, we were pretty independent kids and spent a lot of the time playing away from home unsupervised.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 10:58 pm
@Caroline,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I remember kindergarten, at age 5 in NY (Queens),
all of the kids were left to walk to and from school.

That was ASSUMED, and taken for granted, as the state of Nature.
Caroline wrote:
Do you mean it was taken for granted it was safe for the kids to walk home alone,
Yes; I 'm certain that the parents woud not have intentionally put them into danger.
We never heard of any ill effects from walking home alone.

I remember once, at age 6, we were transported by bus
to another Catholic school, for a "bazaar" (a fund raising event),
then abandoned there. We had to get home by our own devices.
I did not even have a compass; had to wonder home.
It blows my mind that I was able to do it, eventually finding my way
to landmarks that I recognized. I shoud have had the presence of mind
to write a complaining letter to the Pope, and try to get the nuns excommunicated, but I did not think of that.
My writing skills were not too sharp back then, anyway. I suppose I coud have dictated.
O, well; I suppose its too late now.







Caroline wrote:
I suppose it was less dangerous for kids then,
like my Grandma always left her front door open.
We always locked ours.





Caroline wrote:
Not sure what you mean as the state of Nature,
do you mean it was natural for kids to be free to walk home on their own.
Yes.





Caroline wrote:
Thinking about it my mum stopped taking me to school when I was 6 maybe even five
but I don't remember that far back, we were pretty independent kids
and spent a lot of the time playing away from home unsupervised.
Yeah; from age 8 on, I supervized myself n applied my best judgment, which was usually pretty conservative.
I stayed home a lot.





David
Caroline
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 11:05 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Yeah kids can be pretty resilient. I was glad for my freedom when I was a kid and my parents didn't stifle me. But some would say they needed to tighten the reins, everyone's different when it comes to their own kids. Back in my day no-one battered an eyelid that a 6 year old walked to school alone, can we say that now?In London here in the UK, some of the kids are becoming more dangerous then any pervy adult, carrying knives and wot not.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2010 11:51 pm
@Caroline,
Caroline wrote:
Yeah kids can be pretty resilient.
I was glad for my freedom when I was a kid and my parents didn't stifle me.
Yeah, me too. I 've always loved my freedom.




Caroline wrote:
But some would say they needed to tighten the reins,
everyone's different when it comes to their own kids.
Thay r; I felt chagrin at seeing some of my friends embarrassed by their parents,
by whom thay were oppressed n bullied, in my presence.
On seldom occasions (depending on the circumstances), I defended the kids, my friends.




Caroline wrote:
Back in my day no-one battered an eyelid that a 6 year old walked to school alone,
The opposite woud have been true;
questions woud have been raised as to any reason that he coud NOT walk to school alone.





Caroline wrote:
can we say that now?
NO; not in NY.
A few years ago, oddly enuf, I had occasion to be up at around 7 or 8 AM, in Manhattan.
I witnessed vast hordes of apparent parents holding hands with children,
with whom thay were walking, presumably to school.





Caroline wrote:
In London here in the UK, some of the kids are becoming more dangerous then any pervy adult,
carrying knives and wot not.
For the first 7 years of my life,
I had no access to guns (real ones), tho I was very interested in them.
My eyes used to lock onto revolvers on the hips of police n bank guards.
I used to lay in bed, thinking about them (and dream of misappropriating them).
At age 8, we left NY and went to Arizona, where guns were very abundantly available.
Feeling a little uneasy about being home alone (i.e., feeling defenseless)
I armed myself with a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson Model 36 revolver,
with a 2 inch barrel; I took it everywhere, until years later,
when I upgraded to a .44 caliber stainless steel mirror, Taurus
Model 445 revolver, for better stopping power, which is my
defensive weapon of choice. http://www.proguns.com/images/used-guns/usedguns247-904/278taurus445.jpg
(Mine is brighter n more shiney silver color than shown in the picture.)
I also carried a knife, but only as a tool, not for defensive purposes.





David


Caroline
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 01:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Feeling a little uneasy about being home alone (i.e., feeling defenseless)
I armed myself with a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson Model 36 revolver,
with a 2 inch barrel;
Bloody hell that really is arming yourself and you were only 8!?








OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 03:11 am
@Caroline,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Feeling a little uneasy about being home alone (i.e., feeling defenseless)
I armed myself with a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson Model 36 revolver,
with a 2 inch barrel;
Caroline wrote:
Bloody hell that really is arming yourself and you were only 8!?
Yes; I was thereafter invested with a sense of tranquility.
My state of defenselessness was ended.
That was the first of my gun collection.
Guns were very plentiful in the naborhood; probably in the whole city.
Target practice was very popular; I still like it.

I was home alone a lot, because we bought some furniture stores,
to whose administration my parents devoted a good deal of time.
Thay usually got home around 8 or 10 PM, 6 days a week,
so I was alone after school, and all the time, during summer vacation,
unless I went to the movies, or to visit friends.
I never actually needed to use any of my guns defensively
until many years later and 1000s of miles away.
We lived in a very quiet n crime-free naborhood.





David





Caroline
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 03:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


I was home alone a lot, because we bought some furniture stores,
to whose administration my parents devoted a good deal of time.
Thay usually got home around 8 or 10 PM, 6 days a week,
so I was alone after school, and all the time, during summer vacation,
unless I went to the movies, or to visit friends.
David
Did you get lonely.
And you had to use your gun! Wow. What happened?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 04:07 am
@Caroline,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I was home alone a lot, because we bought some furniture stores,
to whose administration my parents devoted a good deal of time.
Thay usually got home around 8 or 10 PM, 6 days a week,
so I was alone after school, and all the time, during summer vacation,
unless I went to the movies, or to visit friends.
David
Caroline wrote:
Did you get lonely.
Not much, no; I called my mother when I wished,
with whom I had a very good rapport.





Caroline wrote:
And you had to use your gun! Wow. What happened?
Not then, nor there.
Many years later, one hot summer nite I was alone on the road
around 12m or 1AM, driving very slowly, looking for something
on my right. I noticed an old car (judging from its paint job)
in my rear vu mirror. I knew that he coud pass on my left,
if he wanted to go faster.

It was hanging on my tail for a while.
I figured that possibly, he might be waiting to make a right turn.
As I was looking forward and to my right, I heard a gunshot
and I noticed a bullethole about 3 inches in front of my face
on my driver 's side window, with the old car driving abreast
of me, in the lane on my left. When I drew out my own .44 revolver,
I heard a scream, whereupon the other car departed hence, apace.
He must have had somewhere else to go.
I did not have time to line up a shot before he left.
I have a hunch that the perpetrators were disappointed
that their victim was armed and ready to give them a one gun salute.
I don 't claim to be a mindreader,
but its my feeling that thay wanted a more docile victim.

Many years before that, I had been counselled on the wisdom
of carrying brite silver-colored guns, especially at nite, for their in terrorem value.
This proved especially effective in this circumstance, because
there were low lite conditions, but it was very reflective.





David
Caroline
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 05:07 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Caroline wrote:
Did you get lonely.
Not much, no; I called my mother when I wished,
with whom I had a very good rapport.
I still cant get over that you had a gun at 8 and seemed pretty responsible too.




Caroline wrote:
And you had to use your gun! Wow. What happened?
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Not then, nor there.
Many years later, one hot summer nite I was alone on the road
around 12m or 1AM, driving very slowly, looking for something
on my right. I noticed an old car (judging from its paint job)
in my rear vu mirror. I knew that he coud pass on my left,
if he wanted to go faster.

It was hanging on my tail for a while.
I figured that possibly, he might be waiting to make a right turn.
As I was looking forward and to my right, I heard a gunshot
and I noticed a bullethole about 3 inches in front of my face
on my driver 's side window, with the old car driving abreast
of me, in the lane on my left. When I drew out my own .44 revolver,
I heard a scream, whereupon the other car departed hence, apace.
He must have had somewhere else to go.
I did not have time to line up a shot before he left.
I have a hunch that the perpetrators were disappointed
that their victim was armed and ready to give them a one gun salute.
I don 't claim to be a mindreader,
but its my feeling that thay wanted a more docile victim.
Someone just took a pot shot at you for no reason? Crazy, that's why guns scare me, you're lucky they missed the shot, man death scares me and so do guns, just when I thought it wasn't like that in the US, you tell me about this gun toting lunatic, and I run for the bedcovers, whimper. Still at least you scared em off.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Many years before that, I had been counselled on the wisdom
of carrying brite silver-colored guns, especially at nite, for their in terrorem value.
This proved especially effective in this circumstance, because
there were low lite conditions, but it was very reflective.
Yeah I use my mobile phone to see in the dark sometimes.Wink




OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 06:14 am
@Caroline,
Caroline wrote:
Did you get lonely.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Not much, no; I called my mother when I wished,
with whom I had a very good rapport.
Caroline wrote:
I still cant get over that you had a gun at 8
and seemed pretty responsible too.
Well, I only discharged it at target practice and on the 4th of July.
No problems. Its important to be careful where u point the front end.

I certainly was not the only kid in the naborhood with guns.
Thay had more than I did; at the beginning, anyway.




Caroline wrote:
And you had to use your gun! Wow. What happened?
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Not then, nor there.
Many years later, one hot summer nite I was alone on the road
around 12m or 1AM, driving very slowly, looking for something
on my right. I noticed an old car (judging from its paint job)
in my rear vu mirror. I knew that he coud pass on my left,
if he wanted to go faster.

It was hanging on my tail for a while.
I figured that possibly, he might be waiting to make a right turn.
As I was looking forward and to my right, I heard a gunshot
and I noticed a bullethole about 3 inches in front of my face
on my driver 's side window, with the old car driving abreast
of me, in the lane on my left. When I drew out my own .44 revolver,
I heard a scream, whereupon the other car departed hence, apace.
He must have had somewhere else to go.
I did not have time to line up a shot before he left.
I have a hunch that the perpetrators were disappointed
that their victim was armed and ready to give them a one gun salute.
I don 't claim to be a mindreader,
but its my feeling that thay wanted a more docile victim.



Caroline wrote:
Someone just took a pot shot at you for no reason?
I suspect that a crime of profit was intended,
but for some reason, that did not come to fruition.





Caroline wrote:
Crazy, that's why guns scare me, you're lucky they missed the shot,
Thay were probably trying to get my attention.
Thay got it.



Caroline wrote:
man death scares me and so do guns, just when I thought it wasn't like that in the US,
you tell me about this gun toting lunatic, and I run for the bedcovers, whimper.
Still at least you scared em off.
Its better to HAVE a gun and not NEED it,
than it is to NEED a gun and NOT HAVE it. (That can bring bad luck.)






OmSigDAVID wrote:
Many years before that, I had been counselled on the wisdom
of carrying brite silver-colored guns, especially at nite, for their in terrorem value.
This proved especially effective in this circumstance, because
there were low lite conditions, but it was very reflective.
Caroline wrote:
Yeah I use my mobile phone to see in the dark sometimes.Wink
Maybe I 'll see if I can take my .44 to a gunsmith
and have him rig it with lights.





Caroline
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 06:22 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I certainly was not the only kid in the naborhood with guns.
Thay had more than I did; at the beginning, anyway.
Christ kids with guns, I cant get over it.

Caroline wrote:
Someone just took a pot shot at you for no reason?
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I suspect that a crime of profit was intended,
but for some reason, that did not come to fruition.
I wonder why, Smile

Caroline wrote:
Crazy, that's why guns scare me, you're lucky they missed the shot,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
They were probably trying to get my attention.Thay got it.
Yep that'd pretty much do it for me too.Smile

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Many years before that, I had been counselled on the wisdom
of carrying brite silver-colored guns, especially at nite, for their in terrorem value.
This proved especially effective in this circumstance, because
there were low lite conditions, but it was very reflective.
Caroline wrote:
Yeah I use my mobile phone to see in the dark sometimes.Wink
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Maybe I 'll see if I can take my .44 to a gunsmith
and have him rig it with lights.
Lol,Smile





OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2010 06:43 am
@Caroline,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I certainly was not the only kid in the naborhood with guns.
Thay had more than I did; at the beginning, anyway.
Caroline wrote:
Christ kids with guns, I cant get over it.
We practiced at the YMCA. Schools had competitive rifle teams.
(I was not sufficiently accurate to be accepted.)
There were never any complaints of anyone having bad manners with his use of guns.
In the 5 years that I lived there, I never saw the police arrive with lights n sirens.

How ofen do we see photographic news coverage of the Middle East,
wherein Moslems, very little above the age of babies, have AK-47s ?
Yet have u ever read of any Moslems of any age accused of
opening up on EACH OTHER?? Thay appear to be well armed
and safe, at least from one another. Yes ?

I understand that there was very prevalent freedom
to keep and bear arms among Englishmen until around 1920,
that a gentleman woud take his revolver along with him before leaving home,
the same as he brought along his pocket watch. Yes ?

Incidentally, my grandfather was from a place called Devonshire, England.





David
 

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