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How old is old enough to be home alone?

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 02:19 pm
Can they easily contact someone if need be? It sounds like it from what you've said (mom checking in by phone, you nearby).

That's one of my metrics, how easy it is to contact someone and how far away that person is.

I know a lot of 13-yr-olds around here are entrusted with the care of their younger siblings. Sozlet is very interested in babysitting (she already does "mother's helper" stuff, or else we team up, with her doing most of the work and me just in the background as needed). Anyway, we've been asking around and 12 seems like a common age to start babysitting.

Which is to say, absent other issues like the walk to the bus stop being particularly dangerous, etc., that sounds fine to me. I agree with others that it's to your credit that you're concerned though (and that you took them all in).
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 02:27 pm
Some 10 years are fine taking care of themselves for hours.

Some 18 year olds can't manage it

shrugs.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 02:28 pm
@engineer,
Robert Gentel wrote:

I think it's also something I should be ok with but am not.
engineer wrote:
Don't worry too much about not being ok with it. Without a lot of experience, it's hard to realize how capable those small humans are. While in Japan, I routinely saw tweens traveling the buses and local subway, but I'd have to work up to having my children do it. When I was 10, I was riding my bike several miles to play basketball, at thirteen I was all over suburban New Orleans, something I think would cause heart attacks in a lot of people. Part of my encouraging my children to branch out is my memory of what I did when I was their ages. How much freedom did you have at 10 or 12? That might shape how much you think these children are capable of.
Yeah; when I was 11, I had to go round trip between Phoenix, Arizona and Los Angeles a few times,
by Grayhound Bus; cabs to n from bus depots. It was no real problem; boring trips, most of the time.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 02:31 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
Some 10 years are fine taking care of themselves for hours.

Some 18 year olds can't manage it

shrugs.
Yeah; as long as u have enuf food, water
n cash, its all mental.





David
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Pemerson
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 03:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, everybody is not like you. I hope that lady's 9-yr-old boy had a neighbor like the author of this thread.

My mother-in-law would chuckle now & then, remembering and telling the story again and again, the day her best friend couple (big Irish rumble & tumble family, all musicians or actors) came home to find their five boys, ages 5 to ? holding an auction in the driveway, selling all their kitchen dishes and small appliances -- anything else small enough to carry out.

My husband was an only child. He would have loved having a noisy family.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:06 pm
@sozobe,
agree with soz.. including 'absent other issues'.

I was at my most shy and vulnerable at twelve, really unaware of trouble possibly at my door (even though I watched various stuff on tv and stayed up late, it didn't have to do with me, I was just learning). But even I was taking two buses from school, the second one alone, before I turned thirteen.

My bro in law taught my niece how to make it across LA by bus early (Mar Vista to Burbank), maybe when she was thirteen and maybe earlier, twelve or eleven, I now forget. I remember being shocked, but it was a part of a pattern, and also necessary some of the time, as the mother had shared custody, and dad was at work. (Niece told me later her mother sent her to friends' to take care of her, and not just for a day, spent the child care money on...) He taught her how to bicycle everywhere, how to camp out despite her distaste, and so on. She has grown up into a woman who can make her way in a lot of places with confidence and still be psychologically sensitive to others. I had something to do with that, but not anything to do with making her so self sufficient.

But looking back, buses across LA at eleven? Still, far as we have talked about, and we've long talked straight when we get to talk, the trauma was at the other end.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:11 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

agree with soz.. including 'absent other issues'.

I was at my most shy and vulnerable at twelve, really unaware of trouble possibly at my door (even though I watched various stuff on tv and stayed up late, it didn't have to do with me, I was just learning). But even I was taking two buses from school, the second one alone, before I turned thirteen.

My bro in law taught my niece how to make it across LA by bus early (Mar Vista to Burbank), maybe when she was thirteen and maybe earlier, twelve or eleven, I now forget. I remember being shocked, but it was a part of a pattern, and also necessary some of the time, as the mother had shared custody, and dad was at work. (Niece told me later her mother sent her to friends' to take care of her, and not just for a day, spent the child care money on...) He taught her how to bicycle everywhere, how to camp out despite her distaste, and so on. She has grown up into a woman who can make her way in a lot of places with confidence and still be psychologically sensitive to others. I had something to do with that, but not anything to do with making her so self sufficient.

But looking back, buses across LA at eleven? Still, far as we have talked about, and we've long talked straight when we get to talk, the trauma was at the other end.

Round trip from L.A. to Phoenix.
Well, for the last trip, I was 12.





David
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:29 pm
Robert - your concerns sound like a grandparent's lament. Welcome to a Fresh Hell.

I don't like my single mom daughter leaving my 12 and 15 year old grandkids at home as much as she does. But they seem to work it all out.

It sounds like these kids are used to mom being away and them being on their own for stretches of time.

I see a lot of this kind of parenting from single moms who want some time on their own and leave pre-teens at home. There are pros and cons on both sides.

I think with cell phones, the kids should be able to get in contact with mom readily enough.

It's just not how some of us parented, and it makes me somewhat uneasy.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:34 pm
Yeah David, I took the bus by myself at age 9 and had no loaded gun with me,
I was brave enough without it, but then again, I am a girl and not a coward.

Anyway, I started leaving my daughter alone for an hour or two when she was
around 12. She started babysitting about 6 months ago (she's almost 15 ),
but I would not let her take public transportation - heck, even I wouldn't drive a bus here, but in Costa Rica, things might be entirely different again.

Kids in Europe take public transportation by the time the enter school, when they're 6 years old. They also go to the groceries by themselves and buy a sandwich or sweets.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:40 pm
@Intrepid,
Quote:
Back when many of us were 10 and 12 years old, it was a different world. A different time. Unfortunately we, as adults and parents, have to be concerned where our parents did not.
If you look at the american crime stats people are more safe now than they have been for a generation. I suspect but dont know that the same holds true for Canada. This fear you have is not based upon facts, but is a perception error.

Re the question: I started to leave my kids at home alone for a few hours at a time at 8 YO. 10YO was old enough to mind a younger sib for a few hours.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
They are much more prone, nowadays, to be prey for sexual predators. Perhaps if you hadn't left your children alone at such an early age, you would not be posting in the threads about their molestation.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:48 pm
I'm not trying to be a hardass or anything but no I'm not attached to the kids and will only care (and thankfully now I'll care less) as long as they are living with us. Honestly I can't wait till they are gone, it's a lot of work that I hadn't bargained for.

I just wanted validation that it's ok to leave them alone and stuff, and now I have that (hey, if you guys leave your kids alone at this age I'm leaving this lady's kids alone). I feel bad saying this but I honestly care more about them being alone with my dog and cat than anything else. I'm more concerned that they'll let the dog out or hurt him playing around (they already gave the dog chicken bones). Sounds selfish but I love that dog, and the dog's my kid. It's as much a overprotection of my pets as it is about them.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:49 pm
@Intrepid,
Man that's a cheap shot. You are way better than that dude.

He also happens to be right.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:50 pm
@Intrepid,
Quote:
They are much more prone, nowadays, to be prey for sexual predators
that is a myth

Quote:
Perhaps if you hadn't left your children alone at such an early age, you would not be posting in the threads about their molestation.
they were primarily molested by the babysitters brother when we left them with the babysitter. We thought that we were doing the right thing to get a babysitter even though we half thought that they would be fine by themselves. Obviously, they would have been better off if we had left them alone, as the standard rule was dont go outside and dont let anyone inside.

And you are a **** by the way, though I am sure you are already aware.

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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:51 pm
@Robert Gentel,
It wasn't meant as a cheap shot. It was meant as the truth. Sorry if it came across otherwise.

C'mon....you thought it too. Wink
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Back when many of us were 10 and 12 years old, it was a different world. A different time. Unfortunately we, as adults and parents, have to be concerned where our parents did not.
If you look at the american crime stats people are more safe now than they have been for a generation. I suspect but dont know that the same holds true for Canada. This fear you have is not based upon facts, but is a perception error.


You're correct about the stats here in Canada as well.

Things are much safer for kids in Canada now than they were 30/40/50 years ago.

The media (and our love of bad news) would have us think otherwise.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 04:59 pm
@Intrepid,
No. Not at all. Most of the time closer parental supervision isn't much of a factor. Even if you meant it in earnest it's a mean thing to say if you think about how likely it is that he can't have helped what happened except with the benefit of hindsight. There is often no amount of reasonable supervision that can prevent such things. Just because he's an inordinately self-convinced chicken little with some twisted views on relationships doesn't make his misfortune a fair jab to me.

We have no reason to believe he's anything other than someone with strongly held and annoyingly expressed views on a forum.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 05:02 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I bow to your cooler thinking in this matter.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 06:00 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Glad you are feeling better about it.

I would have notified because there are cheap and easy options here...they don't seem to exist where you are...except that you are one!

I hope this mum is on her feet soon and things go well for her and the kids. They sound like cool kids.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 06:47 pm
@Robert Gentel,
If they're being irresponsible with your pets that's another factor then.

Punkey makes a really good point too -- there is the general question of what maturity level (I agree with Chai that age can be a general rule of thumb but there will be exceptions) is appropriate for leaving them alone for a given amount of time. Going to the grocery store, for example. But then there is another question of whether it's appropriate to leave them alone a LOT, even if they're capable of being alone some of the time.

I get that a single mom is going to need some time to herself though that's not at work, too.

Anyway, hope the whole thing comes to as happy of a resolution as possible.
 

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