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Is There A Life After Death

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 02:34 pm
That's one of the reasons why prayer helps many people recover from serious illness and/or injury. The mind is important for our body to recover.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 03:57 pm
I realize this has already been hashed out on here, but, I'm not reading that many threads to catch up. I'll put in one more before I go: People watch someone devour a pear or a chicken with no thought given to an afterlife; suddenly it's a human getting eaten and the afterlife gets great credence. Haw.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:16 pm
truth
If we identify with our family, lineage or all of humanity, or (as the Buddhist do) the universe, "our" life continues after our death. At the same time, since we are continuously creating our world second by second, when we die and stop constructing our world, we, IN A SENSE, take it all with us. As I've said before, my "house" will go with me, but my wife's house (which in a sense is the same house) will remain for her. Then she will take "it" with her when she dies. This crazy, but true, talk is consistent with Schopenhauer's thesis in the opening sentence of his classic, The World as Will and Idea: "The world is my idea." It's also consistent with the perspective of zen buddhism. Idea
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:21 pm
The zen I am familiar with refuses to contemplate the possibility, saying it will resolve itself, given time. Also, the Buddha and the Tibetan book of the Dead give instructions to break the chain of rebirth.
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zgreatarteest
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:29 pm
dlowan wrote:
zgreatarteest,

I assume from your answer that there would not be any conditions under which you would deduce that your prayers had NOT been answered?


Yes, unless I pray amiss.

You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may
consume it upon your lusts. James 4:3

Your prayer has still been answered if you trust your Heavenly
Father to give you what is best for you. He always wants what is best for you "lacking nothing". Not give you something that you may want that would bring harm to you. A smart person prays for His will to be done in what you pray. It's called trusting God for His very best for you. You may not know that what you want is not in His will for you or what you may be asking forsomeone else may not be in His will for them. If you know His Word(Testament) you will usually always know what His will is for His followers. If not, pray and He will show you what you need. We always
want to "be in position" to receive. That's where we all miss it the most.
To be in position is to be close to Him in the spirit. We need to be more concerned aboutwhat our heavenly Father wants than what we want,
knowing that he wants the very best for us always.

Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a for bread, will he give him
a stone? or if he ask for a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luke 11:11
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Asherman
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:32 pm
Attend and focus on This Moment, it is all that exists ... and it is already gone forever. Death is in a future that can never be captured. When you get to the penultimate moment, be ready to fully experience it. Death can be difficult, or it can be easy. Easer is better than difficult, so learn detachment from the temptations of the senses. Cut loose the dreams of past and future. Pay attention.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:32 pm
truth
I forget to mention that the way of being: zen is not like most of the Religion: Buddhism. Zen rarely talks about death, afterlife, the wheel of karma, rebirth, etc., and when it does, it's usually with a smile--which I interpret as tongue in cheek.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:35 pm
Yeah, jl. Sometimes a zen practitioner will call the Buddha a hill of dung.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:41 pm
truth
Yes, they do not value categories as things to be revered or feared. There is even the famous dictum: "If you meet the Buddha kill him", meaning--among other possible interpretations--do not even attach to insights or elightenment.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 06:47 pm
jl
One of my favorite books is "The Buddha's Law Among the Birds." I have not perused it since the late 60s, but this thread has inspired me to seek a copy.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 07:17 pm
truth
Edgar, I'll look it up.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 07:17 pm
JL, As you probably know, my wife is a Buddhist, and I'm an atheist. We are going on a 12 day pilgramage to Japan in late March to visit 33 Buddhist Temples with a Buddhist Priest. I'm really looking forward to this trip - to observe and learn. c.i.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 07:27 pm
truth
C.I., zen buddhism and atheism are not mutually nconsistent, unless the atheist attaches himself to an atheist belief system, if (metaphorically) he believes in a no-god and worships him. I call myself both an atheist and a lay zennist.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 07:45 pm
I have long had a love affair with Buddhism, but I am at core a rock solid atheist.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 07:49 pm
Edgar, in Buddhism there is no God, so you're in good company.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 07:50 pm
Part of the attraction, asherman. Incidentally, it's good to see you again.
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zgreatarteest
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 09:15 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
jl
One of my favorite books is "The Buddha's Law Among the Birds." I have not perused it since the late 60s, but this thread has inspired me to seek a copy.


Gee, I wish I had known. That rice paper it was printed on made
such nice kindling for my fireplace too. Half of it was hung on the
outhouse wall. Sorry, but I was out of Sears and Roebuck and had
a bad case of Optima Rectumus.

One man's garbage is another man's treasure, they say.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 09:18 pm
truth
Are you the Roman leader, Gluteus Maximus?
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Misti26
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 09:19 pm
Could someone please explain to me what an atheist is?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 09:19 pm
zgreat, WELCOME to A2K. I like your kind of philosophy. It goes to show we all have our "belief" system. Wink
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