Afghanastan - Obama's war of choosing

@woiyo,

Did you actually complain when Bushy baby was in office?..Lay on your back and drink water backwards, its good for hiccups.

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@xris,

Avoiding a direct question again?

This is Obamas war and his responsibility. He needs to explain how Afghanistan is a threat to the security of the US.

Or maybe you can explain that.

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@xris,

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So you dont think they have any say? Is that it? I dont think its lack of understanding. So you will just leave?

This will be my last post. It's late here.

Look, I don't think the ordinary people of Afghanistan welcomed invasion any more than the people of Iraq, or Vietnam, did. Who wants their country & their home turned into a war zone? Powerful nations don't ask before invading.
So, in answer to your question about whether they'd want the invaders to stay on in Afghanistan, I'd very much doubt it.
Should the US & their allies leave? My response to that is: if we can't explain to ourselves what where doing there & what has been achieved by 9 years of war (so far), then yes, we should.
As to an honorable & responsible withdrawal, as I said before, the countries responsible for the invasion need to figure that out. Hopefully they'll do a better job of it than the withdrawals from Iraq & Vietnam.

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@woiyo,

I did not avoid it , I told you he adopted the situation created by Bushy baby, can you honestly deny that? Now Ive answered your question , answer mine.

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@msolga,

Your avoiding the reality and making assumptions what the majority of Afghans want. Would you deny them the opportunity to tell us what they would like us to do? Its a simple question, do you , who hold this view, or those who might suffer from it make that decision. In principle would you accept the Afghans should be allowed to decide if they want us to stay ????YES or NO ???

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@xris,

It's 1:47 am & I really must leave this here.
Good night.

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@msolga,

Sleep well , thanks for your reasoned debate.

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@xris,

xris wrote:

LOOK if you have anything of value to add just make it a bit more valid, please.

attempting to follow your reasoning--we have to destroy them (and us) to save them (and us). bizarre.

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@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

Avoiding a direct question again?

This is Obamas war and his responsibility. He needs to explain how Afghanistan is a threat to the security of the US.

Or maybe you can explain that.

I think that Obama has adequately explained that the war is against AQ, not against the country of Afghanistan; and if you'll recall, we do have a withdrawal plan on the books there, same as in Iraq.

Obama didn't start the war, but he is trying to finish it.

Cycloptichorn

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@xris,

He adopted a situation??? He escalated a police action without explaining what the clear and present danger was to the US and our interests. His stated excuse for our involvement in this police action is the same as "Bushy Babies" lame explanation that we need to defeat AQ "over there" else they will come here.

No that I have answered my question for you, do you support America's involvement in police actions world wide?

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@msolga,

Military personnel are not obliged to serve when the acts are war crimes. Anyone with a conscience knows that the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were founded on a series of lies. They are wars of aggression, and therefore war crimes.

There were a large number of brave men who refused to serve in the Vietnam invasion. More should do the same today.

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@dyslexia,

Destroy them and us ? how do you see that happening ? It may get a worse before it gets better but we started this, we should have the balls to finish it, with their support. If they want us to stay, your saying we should still leave? is that your opinion?

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@woiyo,

I dont approve of Bush thinking his military action would resolve the problems in the ME. I think Palestine and American republican support of Israel is the stumbling block. I think Obama is trying to extract Americas from its constant support of Israel. A difficult project considering the Jewish influence in Washington. Solve the Palestinian problem and al qaeda support would evaporate. I did not admire Americas involvement with south American politics and Regan's terror on a democratic states socialist government. I did not admire Americas pathological hatred of any thing that appeared to conflict with their ideology. It took them into Vietnam , with disastrous effect but then Republicans still have this desire to make socialism the boggy man that threatens their pretentious values. It should learn that not everyone believes that unbridled capitalism is the correct path for a modern world, faced with economic disaster.

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@xris,

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We made war and we should give peace a chance.

all agreed : give peace a chance !

imo however there is no peace but a bloody war that is getting worse by the day .

so how would you ( xris ) encourage a peace process ?

how much time would you allow - if it takes another nine years and nothing better has been achieved , would it be time
to consider " an orderly pullout " ?

i don't think just hoping that tomorrow or next year things will start to improve is good enough .
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i certainly do not pretend to have a solution .
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i think the U.N. should call a meeting of muslim states and a U.N. solution should be guided by their advice - if they are willing to give advice - AND IF THE MUSLIM STATES ARE WILLING TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN IMPLEMENTING THEIR SUGGESTED SOLUTION .

any thoughts on that , xris ?

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btw. canadian " combat " troops will be leaving afghanistan in 2011 - but units to rebuild infrastucture and train afghan police and military will stay a while longer .

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@xris,

xris wrote:

I dont approve of Bush thinking his military action would resolve the problems in the ME. I think Palestine and American republican support of Israel is the stumbling block. I think Obama is trying to extract Americas from its constant support of Israel. A difficult project considering the Jewish influence in Washington. Solve the Palestinian problem and al qaeda support would evaporate. I did not admire Americas involvement with south American politics and Regan's terror on a democratic states socialist government. I did not admire Americas pathological hatred of any thing that appeared to conflict with their ideology. It took them into Vietnam , with disastrous effect but then Republicans still have this desire to make socialism the boggy man that threatens their pretentious values. It should learn that not everyone believes that unbridled capitalism is the correct path for a modern world, faced with economic disaster.

The actions of America and the UK for at least a centry are the resons why the Middle East has a problem

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@hamburgboy,

Ive already stated I made that my hope for the future. I do hope that a more acceptable peace keeping force would take over our role. The trouble is you cant give over a problem we helped initiate. I regret every death but the consequences of our withdrawal is even more frightening than our present situation. I'm a bit bemused , is it our sacrifice you oppose or theirs ?

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@stevecook172001,

Not all of it but I agree we have played a significant part in its unrest. You cant dismiss the fractional religious differences the tribes of Islam have on the region. They hate each other more than us on occassions. There is more than one boggy man stirring unrest for their own ends. You cant say every Muslim state has acted with the interest of the Palestinians. The oil revenues many Arab states have enjoyed never gave the Palestinians the relief and assistance they require.Some, mainly KSA, would rather build a billion pound mosque in east end of london than give their muslims brothers in Palestine a helping hand. Your view of world politics is, if i may say, very coloured and one sided.

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@xris,

xris wrote :

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is it our sacrifice you oppose or theirs ?

i'm quite sure that afghanis have suffered the most from all the invasions throughout histry .
but so far they have kicked out every invader , have they not ?
it it going to be " different " this time around ?

i'm all for peace - but i am sure it will not be achieved on the terms of western powers .

i am sure you have have had a good look at the history of afghanistan .

ANY sign that peace is about to break out by pounding away at the afghanis ?

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@hamburgboy,

I think you will find those who oppose our presence are in the minority. Yes they have kicked out ever invader but remember Afghanistan was once a Buddhist nation till muslims invaded and wiped out the inhabitants. The muslims killed tens of thousands , this does not entitle us to be just a ruthless but if we are required by them to stay, what would you have us do? I dont understand this reasoning, is it for our benefit we leave or theirs?

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@xris,

In Screbeniza it was the orthodox christians who killed moslims.
We did nothing/ Mad

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