Evolution in the bible, says Vatican

Red Devil, in reading the Bible you seem to have missed a lot. Ancient people believed that the Earth was flat and rested on pillows and that mental disorders were caused by evil spirits This is exactly what the Bible teaches, both explicit and implicit. There are about 20 references that refer to such things as the ends of the Earth, the 4 corners of the Earth, the foundation of the Earth and the pillows of the Earth. It also leaves the impression that the Earth is the center of the Universe and not the Sun. This was part of Catholic teaching until recent times. It also strongly implies that mental illness is caused by evil spririts. Hense, the sacrament of exorcism. A few years back an Autistic boy was killed in an exorcism near where I live. While I enjoy debating you and Mr. Campbell and consider both of you my friends, I am dead serious about exposing your false teachings. Your ancient thinking is perhaps the greatest danger the world faces today. Learning,Speech,&Attention Defects | Man with learning disabilities, communication disorders, ADHD, becomes author

Well your wrong, my God has spoken to me. And the bible was written by man, yet it was authored by God. Man could not of known the details of the future, only God could of known them. And that is why the Bible tells us that near the end of time the Jews would return to the land of Israel, they would retake Jerusalem, and Jerusalems East Gate would have a porch Gate that would be sealed. And all attempts to open that Gate would fail. They have. Simple men could not of known that Jerusalems Original East Gate would be buried, and then become the foundation of the Porch Gate. They could not of known that the Porch Gate then would be sealed up by non believers hundreds of years later. And they could not of know that all attempts to open the Porch Gate would fail. This is not a circular arguement, this is a fact that can only be denied by those who refuse to believe the written Word.

Focus on Jerusalem~Eastern Gate in Prophecy

God has spoken to you???? Really!? what does he sound like? I'm guessing god sounds like Fran Dresher....is that correct?

anyway, you only cite one prophecy and as i have demonstrated before that is not a valid phrophecy for the following reasons:

1. it is a self-fullfilling prophecy
2. it is vague and ambiguos
3. It does not state when, how, why....

1. So your saying when non believers built the Porch Gate right on top of the Old East Gate, they wanted to fulfill the prophecy of the Bible even though they did not believe in the bible? And your saying the non believers sealed the Gate up so they would fulfill the prophecy? And our you saying that when the non believers tried to break through Gate they purposly did not break through the gate in order to fulfill the prophecy? LOL
2. And when the Bible tells us that Jerusalems East Gate would have a Porch Gate that would be sealed and all attempts to open that Gate would fail that is Vague?
3. And the Gate would remain sealed until the end of time, and when the Gate would be opened by the Prince to come it would happen when the Jews had returned from a world wide exile, and were in control of Jerusalem which is where we find ourselves today. The Bible states when, how, and why.

The problem here is, you don't know your Bible.

Red Devil. here are some of the references referring to the flat Earth. Job 38: 12 -13 "Take the Earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it.
Joshua 10 12:13 states that the Sun stood still. [Should have been the other way around]
1st Chronicles states, " The world stands still. never to be moved"
Psalms 93: 1 "The world is established, it shall never move.
Psalms "Thou did lay the foundation of the Earth.
Samuels 2:8 For the pillows of the Earth are the Lords, and on them he set the world.
Job 9"6 who shakes the Earth from its place and its pillows trember.
Isarah 11:12 From the 4 corners of the Earth.
Revelation 7:1 After this I saw 4 angels standing on the 4 corners of the Earth

Yes but none of these passage make a direct statement to the geometrical shape of the earth with the exception of Isaiah 40:22, "It is he that sitteth upon the "CIRCLE" of the earth..........". I would be kind of hard for the 4 corners of the earth to mean anything other than the four directions of N, S, E, W. as a Circle does not contain corners. And as far as the four pillars holding up the earth meaning to litterally the support the earth and not figuratively meaning a solid foundation, when in clear and plain language it states the earth hangs in the void with nothing supporting it (Job 26:7), "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and HANGETH THE EARTH UPON NOTHING. And the reference of the earth being a globe with directions is very clear in (Proverbs 8:27), "When he prepared the heavens, I was there; when he set a "COMPASS" upon the the face of the deep". As far as the terminology used to describe EARTH, the same word the translators used could very well mean, earth as in land, as the English used the same word to mean both and concluded that the context of the text would make the reader aware of its intended meaning, either the literal earth or land, it is just more figurative langague. As I have said all of these must be considered in the context of the script in which they are given. To rightly divide the word of truth one must consider the context of the whole or what "exactly" is the writer referring to in the whole Chapter or paragraph, not just by taking a single verse out of the context of the whole. All the examples given are more semantical than descriptive of any geometric shape or foundation, especially with other clearly written passages making contradiction of the way in you are trying to present them, as the same author inspired all the writing contained in scripture, The Holy Spirit. And the clear language is to directly say that the earth is circular in shape and is hung in a void and supported and held together by the power of God (Colossians chapter 1) RD

a circle is flat...

No, i'm saying Great Britain(christian nation), after WW2 realized the jews were not safe in europe and seeing that the judaism was the only major religion without majority in any nation, decided that the jews needed a nation that they could call thier own so it was a natural fit that the place be Israel(palestine) because that was the jewish promise-land as stated in their holy text!

Fatal Fredom, you really need to study your history. Great Britain was machine gunning Jews trying to return, and only after the Jews blew up the Kind David motel killing 80 British offers did the British leave. The British could of care less about the Jews or their religion. And your responce said nothing of the East Gate prophecy, which was the main point of my post.

Fatal Fredom, you really need to study your history. Great Britain was machine gunning Jews trying to return, and only after the Jews blew up the Kind David motel killing 80 British offers did the British leave. The British could of care less about the Jews or their religion. And your responce said nothing of the East Gate prophecy, which was the main point of my post.

Red Devil, Isaiah 40:22 refers to the ski, as it appears to be round when viewed from the Earth. I agree that much of the Bible is written in figurative language and that the 4 courners could well be figurative. But this is only speculative. The fact that the Bible is filled with the beliefs of ancient people weakens your arugment.According to H.G. Wells the story of creation and the flood were common beliefs of ancient Mideastern people. He also stated that the Hewbrew Bible and the Babylonian Bible have somewhat similar accounts of creation and the flood. Biblical mythology dies slowly, thanks to people like you.[Nothing personal, I am sure you are a fine man.] The Flat Earth Society lasted until just a few years ago. They held on just as long as they could. One of their arugment was that if the Earth was was round like a ball, then the people living on the southren hemisphere would all fall off. Learning,Speech,&Attention Defects | Man with learning disabilities, communication disorders, ADHD, becomes author

A circle can be flat or it can be round, depending on the context and the way that it is presented, and on this subject one would have to leave the scriptures to either confirm or deny which geometrical shape the the scriptures are "silent" on. But a circle cannot have four corners, that is a certainty. And if something is hung from nothing it can not have four pillars supporting it. But as I said if one is to reference the context of the whole train of thought one would have to conclude that it is presented as globe as the Hebrew word used to describe this passage can be either a circle or a globe but due to the reference from other passages it must be considered in comparison to the shape of the moon, as the same Hebrew word is used to describe the moon. But the best example that the Hebrew word that is used describes the geometric shape of a circular globe would be found in Job:26-10 as it is very clear that the author is speaking of a globe due to the fact that he presents both a "day" and a "night" in the same passage as describing the geometric shape of the earth as "HAVING COMPASSED" a 24 hr period or a revolution, "He hath compassed the waters with bounds until the day and night come to an end." Literally translated, a circle upon the face of the waters until both the day and night come to an end. As I said, there is nothing to suggest that the writers of the old testament were speaking of a flat earth, except in circular reasoning, so to speak.

You will have to go back to the net, and find more secular sites. So far, we have covered the four corners, the flat earth, the circular earth(flat), whats left, Yeah, the sun stood still. The sun appears to move across the sky, as we say even in our day and time the sun rises or the sun sets, when in reality the earth is revolving and turning a portion of the earth away from the sun and its light. The writers of the scripts in both the new testament and the old testament were "inspired" to write the words they scripted. The scriptures themselves saying as much( 2Tim 3:16). Even having been inspired to write what they were inspired to write they had to write within the limits of their cognation to reason and comprehend what they were inspired to write, this they did. RD

A circle is flat ALL OF THE TIME! A circle is a 2d geometric shape, so calling the earth a circle implies that the earth has no 3rd demension because a circle is only 2 demensional......a sphere is 3-demensional, the earth is spherical not circular!

a circle is flat...

In the ancient Biblical language of the Old Testament, I donot believe there was a word for (ball) so that is why I believe they used circle. Please correct me if I am wrong. Often the language was limited so they used the best word they had. Also like other false religions which had the earth supported by elephants ect. The Bible stated that the earth floated on nothing.

what are you talking about? i have a hard time believing there is no word for round or ball....the football term "Huddle" is latin for round, and i believe either bol or bola in latin means ball...