Well you see Numpty, I have a Book that is just packed fill with proof and truth, and prophices that are being fulfilled. We can see this in the very day we live. Believers in Evolution have NOTHING like this. The Book of Job describes a dinosaur with scales, now we find a mummfied one, and as Job said, its skin was made up of scales. The Bible tells us that the Ark of the Covanant was real, non believers in the Bible tell us it was just a myth. Just a few days ago, Ethiopia now states that the Ark really does exist, and they are in possession of it. For years non believers in the Bible would say that the David of the Old Testament was just a myth, however, just recently they discovered then name of David and his kingdom spoken of in an uncoverd ruins in the middle east, which only reveals the truth of the Bible again. The East Gate prophecy tells us that Jerusalems East Gate will remain sealed till the Prince to come returns and opens it Himself. If you go to Jerusalem today, you will see Jerusalems East Gate, and as the Bible states, the Gate is sealed. Again, more proof of Biblical truth. The Bible told us that near the end of time we would see the Jews return to Israel and retake Jerusalem. Go to Israel today, again, more truth of the Bibles truth. These were just a few of the conformations for Biblical truth, and they just keep coming. The problem is, Evolution masquerades as solid science which many have bought into. The Bible claims to be the truth of God which few accept. Yet, as time passes, the wild claims of the Bible are being revealed as true, where as Evolution is still looking for those missing links. I have confidence in the Bibles truth because it's truth has withstood the test of time, and every passing year only reveals it's truth all the more. Evolution has never been a sold rock, but rather a silppery slope which has no solid foundation of truth to build on. How many times has the truth of the Bible been revealed, and few want to believe that. Yet the concepts of Evolution has failed so many times, and that people would believe over the Bible. I cannot deny the truth of the Bible because it has to much evidence for it's truth. And if the Bible tells us that there were dinosaurs that could breath fire, I will believe that. Next time you think the Bible does not tell the truth, just think of the sealed East Gate in Jerusalem. I think of it all the time, and I look forward to seeing the Prince to come, open it.
Do you really expect us to believe, you think there were fire breathing dinosaurs and you also think there is absolutely no way we are linked to any form of evolution.
I believe this, I belive that. Man you do some believing based on little to no evidence. I guesss that is faith to a Tee,.
How on earth do you arrive at such speculative conclussions with such open disrgard for anything resembling a form of investigation? You have read a book believe everything in it, then try to fit everything into it that doesn't quite fit, but you do this by conecting some pretty way out there dots leaving yourself open for ridicule.
If one of these guys in here came a knocking stating they belived this about evolution and they believed that, you would be the first to jump down their throats with the imortal phrases of 'Prove it' and 'Where's your evidence?'
To believe there really were fire breathing dragons is a stretch of even the most deluded among us' imagination, though I guess if an invisible man in the sky is your best mate you could believe anything, except of course evolution.
Show me the idiot Designer that made the eye with the optic nerve IN FRONT OF AND THROUGH the retina, and I'll fire his ass on the spot.
No "Intelligent" designer screws up like that.
The leviathon and the behemoth are not dinosaurs, no such creatures match this description!
The word translated "reptile" here in the OT here is the original Hebrew word "tanniyn". This shows that Leviathan was also a "tanniyn" (dragon). Many conclude that the Bible is speaking about an alligator or crocodile as both of these are indeed fierce, however neither of these "live" in the open waters of the oceans, for they indeed need land to breed, etc. And the mouth of either can be opened with the correct slap to the nostril, and neither could withstand an onslaught of arrows or spears. But the most important difference is the fact mentioned in scriptures of the ability to breath "fire". Many laugh at the very idea of a creature that could actually breath fire from its mouth. Apparently those are not familiar with the very real characteristics of the "BOMBARDIER BEETLE"....Bombardier bettle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The key difference as said, it the fact that the scriptures describe the Leviathan as a creature that breathes fire. (Job 41:18-21). And yes, there is one creature that can do so in our modern time, The Bombardier Beetle. This beetle is a native of Central America; and has a nozzle in its hind end that acts like a little flame thrower mixing chemicals that are high in temperature and caustic to the skin of many other creatures. Now if a Central American beetle can do it, is it so hard to conclude that God also could create an animal that was capable of such? By the way, crocodiles and alligators are out of the pictures on this one, you think not?
The history of every culture is filled with stories of fire-breathing dragons. If you think about it, in all the past ages wouldn't someone have made up a story of a fire-breathing lion or something? Nobody did because the dragon stories are based on the truth contained in scriptures, and "dragons" were the only creatures that could literally breath fire, if we are to believe in the Bible. It would be easy to imagine, just as pseudoscience does in its theories, that the Leviathan as a member of the dragon family, or at least the "possibility" of such is not to be disproved by mere counter speculation, without empirical proof.
Many fossil dinosaur skulls contain unexplained, empty passages. Scientistis have not been able to guess the reason for these passages. Would it make sense that some dinosaurs used these passages as "chemical gas chambers" for the combustible mixture used to spray on its enemy? The dinosaur that most closely resembles this "biblical description" would be Kronosaurus, as a possibility.
As I said, it would be up to "science actual" to empirically prove that there in fact were no "dinosaurs" mentioned in the scriptures. To make the statement that the words of the scriptures could not possibly describe "dinosaurs" is not in fact a valid statement, offered with any actual proof.
Nice copy and paste.
If you had actually read some of Dawkins books instead of a copy and paste from creation web sites you would begin to understand that even he as a biologist with decades of experience is still learning and understanding Darwins Origin of the species. It is far to complex for you or I to understand yet at every level he as an expert and his colleagues have tested the theory at every level and there is no doubt that they believe the theory to be sound.
Might I be so bold as to suggest you might try reading the God Delusion, A suprise Best Seller in the UK. There is a fascinating chapter on the probablity of Evolution and even though I think it was suggested that the probabiltiy is like finding a jumbo jet on the moon, the probablility of there being a supreme being which created the universe is even more unlikely. Think I got that right, been a while since I read it.
A most Fascinating read for Athiest and Thiest alike.
As I said, there is no proof, as validated by the scientists themselves, all are forever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. For it is hidden in plain sight to confuse the pompous nature of some that think, they have the answer to life, when it has already been delivered, if one but simply accepts it. For instance, consider Acts 17:26-28.....Paul spoke these words while exhorting the philosophers and orators in the mist of the Areopagus in Athens, an audience that spent all their time pondering and questioning new theories and channels of human thought (Acts 17:21), (vss, 26,27,28)"And God has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him, and though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being...."
Now, that statement actually addresses a lot more than just the question of what was asked, notice that the apostle Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, explains the purpose of the human existence and life? Why are we here? What is the purpose of being here? God tells us that He created all nations of all people on the earth so that we might seek Him and reach for Him and, upon finding Him, learn to do His will. That's a simple answer to what many perceive to be the hardest question of all. Our purpose is to seek God and serve him of our own freewill.
Just so that we don't mistake this to be the only passage with the same explanation for the meaning of life, consider also Ecclessiastes 12, and remember that these words were written by King Solomon, the wise King, Solomon implored the Lord to grant him wisdom and an understanding heart, which he deemed more important than wealth, or longevity, or victory over his enemies (I Kings 3, and 11 Chronicles 1). This wise king went on to explore every aspect of life on earth, all its fleeting joys and sorrows, to discover the purpose and meaning of man's existence. Solomon recorded his findings in the book of Ecclesiastes. The conclusion of this great book of wisdom literature, (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14), reads as follows; "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter, fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
Wise King Solomon found after all his searching that the meaning of life is not in labor, nor wealth, nor fame, nor power, nor physical pleasure, nor pain, nor folly, but the meaning and purpose of life is to fear God and keep His commandment, because this life is but a brief playing field and all our works will come before God to eternal judgment.
That is the purpose of life, to live in the comfort and hope that cannot be stripped away by the weariness of life, or else refuse the message as too simple or too contrary to modern opinion, and live a life in speculation and vain philosophy with no stability, only the faith that the fickle wisdom of men offers, always seeking but never finding contentment....Life is just to short, to simply exist without really living.
No such creatures of the bible match the description held by modern science to describe dinosaurs? Really? The Bible refers to many common animals we know today. The list goes on and on and includes, lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle, and dogs, along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects.
yeah, those animals already existed when your book was written, Duh!
What is interesting is that this extensive list includes 3 animals that we no longer recognize. These 3 are (in original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth(yes it is spelled correctly.....at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.
and none of those have been found...
BEHEMOTH HAS THE FOLLOWING ATTRIBUTES according to Job 40:15-24
1)It eats grass like an ox.
2)It "moves his tail like a cedar." (literally translated from the Hebrew language it reads as such, "he lets hang his tail like a cedar.")
3)It's "bones are like beams of bronze, his ribs like bars of iron."
4)"He is the first in the ways of God." Literally translated, the largest of its kind.
5."He lies under the lotus tress. in a covert of reeds and marsh".
this description does not match any creature living or exinct!
LEVIATHAN HAS THE FOLLOWING ATTRIBUTES according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26, and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing...just enough to make the point.
1) "No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up."
2) "Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?"
3) "His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another not air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted."
4) "His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights, sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning brushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth."
5) "Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail, nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins."
6) "On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear."
7) Leviathan "played" in the "great and wide sea"
8) Leviathan is a "reptile that is in the sea." (Isaiah 27:1)
still no creature matching this description exists or has existed!
Many laugh at the very idea of a creature that could actually breath fire from its mouth. Apparently those are not familiar with the very real characteristics of the "BOMBARDIER BEETLE"....Bombardier bettle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
bombadier beedle doesn't "breathe fire" it sprays a dangerous fluid from its end...quite different!
As I said, it would be up to "science actual" to empirically prove that there in fact were no "dinosaurs" mentioned in the scriptures. To make the statement that the words of the scriptures could not possibly describe "dinosaurs" is not in fact a valid statement, offered with any actual proof.
burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim(you) that dinosaurs are described in your book!
The world famous crusader for Darwinsim and atheism, Pro. RICHARD DAWKINS, Richard Dawkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, states, "We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully "designed" to have come into existence by chance."
I didn't bother to read past this part...
If religion does not have any "empirical" evidence, then IT IS NOT SCIENCE. I dare you to prove the Bible with empirical evidence.
See, you love that word... empirical. Keeps you immune to the fact that you have no real evidence and try to support scientific theory on faith alone. Sorry, doesn't work that way.
Also, some real links to your information would be nice... if they exist. I will happily science them to oblivion.
I didn't respond to much of your post just to the parts that seemed relevant.
Filled with truth huh? Talking snakes, world populated from 2 people without any genetic defects, fire breathing dragons, a god that approves of rape, stonings and incest, women portrayed as the inferior of the race.
What you fail to achieve is accepting change as a good and stimulating progression, Your understading of life is based on an absolute, which with no amount of evidence show to you you are unshakable, you openly addmitted to me that the links I posted you didn't watch, as 'you had seen it all before'. How can you possibly expect people to understand your ideas if you are not prepared to even look at the other side. Is it fear that drives your narrow mind?
Hey no one here to my knowledge has stated evolution as an absolute, and that is because it isn't. Investigation, testing retesting, moving on if something fails and discard it. This does not mean evolution is a failure, it means the science of evolution is triumphant in it's quest to learn where we really come from, and if that road leads to a God, so be it. As yet I have not seen it lean that way.
Your story has already been told, yet you try to match things to it by stretching even the most imaginative amoung us to the limit. You are willing to accept science when it says a skull of a dinosaur/ dragon has chambers in it's skull which they know not what they are for, but you make a leap that they are for storing the necessary materials that allow an animal to breath fire. Yet the ladies and gentlemen here put together compelling posts, links and evidence of evolution in animals, small or large changes. Bearing in mind you don't read or watch any of them, you dismiss them completely out of hand and say 'ABSOLUTELY' no way.
Do you really expect us to believe, you think there were fire breathing dinosaurs and you also think there is absolutely no way we are linked to any form of evolution.
Certainly your mindset is one of only two minds I have met out side of these pages which completely baffles me. I am sure there are many like you who think as you do. I am sure you feel the same for me, but I do pity your inability to accept change and understand new ways of thinking and exploring this fascinating world and universe we live in
Regards
Numpty, do you ever get tired of making untrue statments of how God approves of of Rape, and stoning of woman? And I did not admit to you I did not watch (ANY) of the links you posted. I told you, I watched some of them, not all of them. So please, don't put words in my mouth. That's just an example how you play with the facts, and the truth. And what about that East Gate Prophecy? It's in your face. Do you just put on blinders, and pretend it's not there. And I don't have any fear for myself, because with Christ at my helm, He has set a true course for me and my family. The road to Evolution does not exist, and if it does, it's only in the minds of those who believe in a Theory without evidence. The reason I can imbrace science when it agrees with Scripture. Is because the Bible is a Book of truth, which is becoming more evident with each year and the new discoveries that keep coming in. For me, the Bible is not based on faith alone, it is based on the facts of discovery. The Bible is so filled with verifiable truth, that to believe otherwise would now be foolish. Remember, the Ark of the Covanant was suppose to be a myth, yet now it is not. David was suppose to be a myth, but now it is not. I could go on and on with this one. For years the Bible has told us that these things are true, and the non believers kept saying, MYTH, MYTH, MYTH. And then the discoveries. And then the non believers get silent until they find something else to call a myth in the Bible. When you see these discoveries come to light, do you just ignore them and pretend they were never discovered? I pity how you can ignore facts and embrace untruth and make that untruth the light that guides your path. In the end, it is a light
that will fail you.
Thank you Mr. Campbell. You have made this thread by far the most popular one on this site, with your accounts of a talking snake, a mountain of fire which you made into an asterold and fire breathing dinosaurs. I give you 5 stars. Your posts are almost as good as a story in a supermarket tabloid I once read entitled, " 10 Year Old Girl Hits Home Run And Then Has Baby". Learning,Speech,&Attention Defects | Man with learning disabilities, communication disorders, ADHD, becomes author
Explain the East Gate prophecy for starters. Tell me why the Moslems could not open it. Tell me why unbelievers would build a Porch Gate over the orginal Gate and then seal it. Were those pagans trying to get people to believe that the Bible was true?
And how did the writers of the prophecy know that hundreds of years after they wrote the prophecy, that a Porch Gate would be added to the old Gate? And how did they know that the Porch Gate would be sealed?
PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS.
The Bible has evidence. It is your belief in Evolution that requires the blind faith.
