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Courageous Soldiers Go AWOL

 
 
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2007 06:32 pm
@g-man,
g-man;49164 wrote:
The people of Darfur don't know if they will eat tomorrow nor if they will live through the night. I'd be willing to bet that you don't know a single American that has that problem. If you do, they have the ability to ask you for help or go to a salvation army for temporary assistance. Most Americans who do without can usually blame it on irresponsibility or missed opporitunities.
Humans of any race or creed are worthy of our concern and help. Freedom, health and safety, things taken so for granted by many of us are worthy causes for well to do people to make some sacrifices for. Concern for and action on the behalf of the have nots of the world should be on our shoulders as well as killing terrorist or enemies of this great nation. Made great by it's generosity as much as by it's power.


I am not suggesting we ignore the rest of the world, just pay attention to America first. The idealist side of me says to put our people to work rebuilding our urban areas and pay them for doing so. In the end, they will learn cooperation and the value of working together for the common good. This action will have many exceptional benefits for all Americans. In addition to building homes, it also instills a sense of pride in accomplishment.
g-man
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2007 07:37 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;49165 wrote:
I am not suggesting we ignore the rest of the world, just pay attention to America first. The idealist side of me says to put our people to work rebuilding our urban areas and pay them for doing so. In the end, they will learn cooperation and the value of working together for the common good. This action will have many exceptional benefits for all Americans. In addition to building homes, it also instills a sense of pride in accomplishment.


Your concerns for the welfare of our people are natural and admirable. People, living in a capitalist society are presented daily with examples of the benefits of co-operation and the rewards of work. Struggle too, is a natural process for havenots. In America, opporitunity may not knock at all of our doors, but is available to anyone willing to seek it out.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2007 08:02 pm
@g-man,
g-man;49164 wrote:
The people of Darfur don't know if they will eat tomorrow nor if they will live through the night. I'd be willing to bet that you don't know a single American that has that problem. If you do, they have the ability to ask you for help or go to a salvation army for temporary assistance. Most Americans who do without can usually blame it on irresponsibility or missed opporitunities.
Humans of any race or creed are worthy of our concern and help. Freedom, health and safety, things taken so for granted by many of us are worthy causes for well to do people to make some sacrifices for. Concern for and action on the behalf of the have nots of the world should be on our shoulders as well as killing terrorist or enemies of this great nation. Made great by it's generosity as much as by it's power.


As humans yes, but it is not the .govs place to take MY money from MY family and spend it on aid to foreign countries. Maybe if the fed could fed all Americans, and make sure that in our economy we have jobs for everyone, and standard housing then we could worry about spreading our goodwill, but till then, it does NO good to transfer our monies to other nations.
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 12:31 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;49174 wrote:
As humans yes, but it is not the .govs place to take MY money from MY family and spend it on aid to foreign countries. Maybe if the fed could fed all Americans, and make sure that in our economy we have jobs for everyone, and standard housing then we could worry about spreading our goodwill, but till then, it does NO good to transfer our monies to other nations.


Let me get this straight. You think the government is responsible for creating jobs for everyone? What if the jobs they create are not jobs that an individual wants? Check the want adds. They are full of jobs that don't get filled.
Housing? Does that mean that the U.S. should build a house for each U.S. citizen? Or will a trailer do? There's no way the U.S. or any other government is going to create a utopia that makes every single American a happy camper.
So, I reckon those people can just go on wondering where their next meal will come from. Those babies with their eyes bugging out of their heads and their bones showing through what's left of muscle can just die.
The only people worthy of simple help to stay alive are only worthy if they are American citizens?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 12:51 am
@g-man,
g-man;49623 wrote:
Let me get this straight. You think the government is responsible for creating jobs for everyone? What if the jobs they create are not jobs that an individual wants? Check the want adds. They are full of jobs that don't get filled.
Housing? Does that mean that the U.S. should build a house for each U.S. citizen? Or will a trailer do? There's no way the U.S. or any other government is going to create a utopia that makes every single American a happy camper.
So, I reckon those people can just go on wondering where their next meal will come from. Those babies with their eyes bugging out of their heads and their bones showing through what's left of muscle can just die.
The only people worthy of simple help to stay alive are only worthy if they are American citizens?


Nice try putting words in my mouth, but no, I did not say that. The .gov has proven it can not fix America. And no, the only people worthy of simple help are not only Americans, but it is not my duty to, or the our governments duty to take my money to insure that they are fed.

I find it amusing when so called conservatives get all teary eyed at giving money to staving nations, and use it as talking points to support their agendas, but get their panties in a twist as soon as someone mentions taking care of our own nation. Some fucked up priorities people got.
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 08:24 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;49174 wrote:
[SIZE="2"]"it is not the .govs place to take MY money from MY family and spend it on aid to foreign countries. Maybe if the fed could fed all Americans, and make sure that in our economy we have jobs for everyone, and standard housing"[/SIZE]
then we could worry about spreading our goodwill, but till then, it does NO good to transfer our monies to other nations.


92b16vx;49626 wrote:

Nice try putting words in my mouth, but no, I did not say that. The .gov has proven it can not fix America. And no, the only people worthy of simple help are not only Americans, but it is not my duty to, or the our governments duty to take my money to insure that they are fed.

I find it amusing when so called conservatives get all teary eyed at giving money to staving nations, and use it as talking points to support their agendas, but get their panties in a twist as soon as someone mentions taking care of our own nation. Some fucked up priorities people got.


I installed your previous post so that you may read your own words.

The stipulations you place on helping others until the genie comes out of the bottle to satisfy your every need ensures that "YOUR" money will never be wasted on such triviality. speaking of priorities.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 08:56 pm
@g-man,
No offense to anyone, but those who always and automatically look to government to solve all their problems simply don't understand the fundamental philosophies upon which America is founded. They're called capitalism, natural law, constitutionalism, and democracy. SOCIALISM is not included.
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 10:15 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;49657 wrote:
No offense to anyone, but those who always and automatically look to government to solve all their problems simply don't understand the fundamental philosophies upon which America is founded. They're called capitalism, natural law, constitutionalism, and democracy. SOCIALISM is not included.


I personally damn any government who thinks that "I" an American might need or want their help can put a bullet in the heads of all of their aid de camps and themselves. I don't see the government as anything more than an entity for the purpose of building roads, maintaining roads and a military for the protection of our citizens. But, this government taxes us. Since they do, and I sympathize with the torment of the people of Africa and want them to reach out and help. Better to help these tormented souls rather than people who have opporitunity just down the road or around the corner and don't chase it. Screw people who live on American soil and "expect" the U.S. government to save them from themselves.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 09:04 am
@g-man,
Agreed. AMERICA IS NOT A SOCIALIST STATE, and never will be.:headbang:
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Joe Stalin
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 06:40 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
This guy does not look like a soldier. He must have been some tough guy though.

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WW1: Experiences of an English Soldier

We don't know yet if he survived WW1 but it is to soldiers like him that we are not talking in German, Russian or living under Sharia. They didn't go AWOL.

:thumbup:
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 07:09 pm
@Joe Stalin,
I think I want to say, 'Hooaah.'
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g-man
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 07:57 pm
@Joe Stalin,
Joe Stalin;50052 wrote:
This guy does not look like a soldier. He must have been some tough guy though.

We don't know yet if he survived WW1 but it is to soldiers like him that we are not talking in German, Russian or living under Sharia. They didn't go AWOL.


Wouldn't you love to get his comments on people who go "awol"?
Jimmy Carter made going "awol" acceptable by pardoning Viet Nam era evaders.
Setting a new precedence. The media has made evaders seem like heros.

Comment on the title of this thread: Soldiers who go "AWOL" from an all volunteer military are the most despicable of all people. They wanted the benefits provided to warriors without fulfilling the agreement.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 08:02 pm
@g-man,
g-man;49628 wrote:
I installed your previous post so that you may read your own words.

The stipulations you place on helping others until the genie comes out of the bottle to satisfy your every need ensures that "YOUR" money will never be wasted on such triviality. speaking of priorities.


Wrong. I don't care if the .gov could manage to do it right, I would still rather keep what's mine. So many assumptions, so little time.
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 08:44 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;50163 wrote:
Wrong. I don't care if the .gov could manage to do it right, I would still rather keep what's mine. So many assumptions, so little time.


Well then, it's settled. All for 92, 92 for 92. No more assumptions. All the world should be for themselves and themselves alone. About as realistic a notion as socialism.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 09:09 pm
@g-man,
g-man;50174 wrote:
Well then, it's settled. All for 92, 92 for 92. No more assumptions. All the world should be for themselves and themselves alone. About as realistic a notion as socialism.



Blah, blah, blah, you say a lot of nothing. Individualism, and self reliance were founding principles of this country.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:35 pm
@g-man,
g-man;50159 wrote:
Wouldn't you love to get his comments on people who go "awol"?
Jimmy Carter made going "awol" acceptable by pardoning Viet Nam era evaders.
Setting a new precedence. The media has made evaders seem like heros.

Comment on the title of this thread: Soldiers who go "AWOL" from an all volunteer military are the most despicable of all people. They wanted the benefits provided to warriors without fulfilling the agreement.


Carter was and remains an unfathomable idiot. He was a nuclear engineer in the Navy, too.:wtf:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:37 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;50181 wrote:
Blah, blah, blah, you say a lot of nothing. Individualism, and self reliance were founding principles of this country.


.......and RON PAUL, as well.LaughingLaughingLaughing
klyph
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jan, 2008 02:18 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;50532 wrote:
.......and RON PAUL, as well.LaughingLaughingLaughing


I still have yet to see a thread proving that even one of Ron Paul's ideas are bad. Not one thread, just off the cuff insults. I started talking about Dr. Paul to some friends, and a girl laughed explosively and exclaimed that "Ron Paul is an IDIOT!"
I asked her why she thought that, and she immediately became silent unable to think of a single reason. She finally responded with, "Well, he just is."
Later I found out she goes to a nationalized Baptist Church. The preacher told her not to vote for Ron Paul because he threatened the benefits that organized religions get from the government. Ron Paul believes in true separation of church and state which scares the sheeple herders to death.

Sorry for the threadjack.


BOT, Soldiers these days are mercenaries. Paid killers. If they don't do their job, they damn sure don't deserve my tax dollars.
g-man
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jan, 2008 06:37 pm
@klyph,
klyph;50547 wrote:
I still have yet to see a thread proving that even one of Ron Paul's ideas are bad. Not one thread, just off the cuff insults. I started talking about Dr. Paul to some friends, and a girl laughed explosively and exclaimed that "Ron Paul is an IDIOT!"
I asked her why she thought that, and she immediately became silent unable to think of a single reason. She finally responded with, "Well, he just is."
Later I found out she goes to a nationalized Baptist Church. The preacher told her not to vote for Ron Paul because he threatened the benefits that organized religions get from the government. Ron Paul believes in true separation of church and state which scares the sheeple herders to death.

Sorry for the threadjack.


BOT, Soldiers these days are mercenaries. Paid killers. If they don't do their job, they damn sure don't deserve my tax dollars.


Klyph, we don't agree on a lot of things, but Ron Paul is no idiot.
His position on all issues are well thought out and reasonable. The media is the enemy of free America and will not give a reasonable man the coverage he deserves. Treatment of men like Ron Paul causes me worry concerning the future of this nation.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2008 07:13 pm
@klyph,
klyph;50547 wrote:
I still have yet to see a thread proving that even one of Ron Paul's ideas are bad. Not one thread, just off the cuff insults. I started talking about Dr. Paul to some friends, and a girl laughed explosively and exclaimed that "Ron Paul is an IDIOT!"
I asked her why she thought that, and she immediately became silent unable to think of a single reason. She finally responded with, "Well, he just is."
Later I found out she goes to a nationalized Baptist Church. The preacher told her not to vote for Ron Paul because he threatened the benefits that organized religions get from the government. Ron Paul believes in true separation of church and state which scares the sheeple herders to death.

Sorry for the threadjack.


BOT, Soldiers these days are mercenaries. Paid killers. If they don't do their job, they damn sure don't deserve my tax dollars.


Ron Paul is irrelevant to America's real problems. His head is lodged in a web of conspiracist paranoia. He represents the highest ideological development within the conspiracy theory community in America. THEREFORE, he is worse than a simple idiot. He is an ultra-lethal fool, because he looks, sounds and probably smells like something other than what he is -- an educated bubba from a log cabin in the deep woods, in an area covered with snow, most of the year.
 

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