Jimmy Carter kisses terrorist ass

You're in a debate forum. Repeating is unavoidable. Others can not search out all of your comments so as to save you from repeating. Address the core of post or simply pass. If you take notice, I have and will continue to maintain respect. I will appreciate the same. After 2000 post I imagine repeating is wearisome. Usually, I take a break when I get weary. Lest I become short fused.

Pino You talk the biggest lot of crap on this forum :beat:

You mean Wright decides for you the good and bad of your nation?
He's a hate monger who can not recognize that his people have the same, no, better opportunities than the average American for education. The key to success and often happiness.

You mean Wright decides for you the good and bad of your nation?
He's a hate monger who can not recognize that his people have the same, no, better opportunities than the average American for education. The key to success and often happiness.

I got you by the peachfuzz, Red. :cig:

did you actually read the link? I answered you question in that thread, i think it's like the 4 one down or so...

Did you ever even for a seconded consider why some people are so pissed off they would fly planes into our buildings? Have you?? Of course not. If you want to solve any problem you first have to find the cause. Instead of fixing the problem they've made it worse. Much worse.
Always ready to send an army and bully the world into thinking like we do, but history has shown that doesn't work and it never has. Thats what the neocons don't understand and they never have. Look what has happened over the last few years, do you know how much bigger Al Qaeda and other anti-american groups have gotten? they've ballooned. Why? Because they don't like us ***ing in their business, and invading Iraq made that much worse.
Why are we so afraid to admit when we are wrong?

Is this the answer you're offering?

When a bee stings, do you suppose it takes into consideration why a human has just nearly or stepped on it? Or when a human a bumps or even smacks it's hive? They are attacked in full force?

When people decide that flying airplanes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people, as a solution to a problem they have with those people, the idea of considering motive is and should be secondary to the hostile reaction.

The fact that Al Queda and other opposition groups have grown, should not be a reason to cower, rather a reason to better prepare and hit harder. The time for Cum-bi-jah will arrive when they cry "uncle".

Now, explain "why" "they" are not held to the standard of considering the motives of western nations in their actions and not held in contempt for their hostile actions.

Throwing Iraq in doesn't help your cause. Iraq occurred thanks to Hussein attacking and occupying Kuwait. He was kicked out and allowed to remain in charge. He disregarded and even touted UN inspectors in their task as he verbally suggested retaliation through Israel. He paid for that and Al Queda stepped into Iraq, making it an on going police action.

Arabs, and their lust for killing is the answer to all of the current world issues.

yes

1.merely bump of a beehive is equivalent to an earthquake in the human perspective, if perhaps the bees understood that the bump was merely an accident or whether it was purposeful might change the result all together.

2. Then remind me again why we went into Iraq?

3. or until they retaliate again....when we could've avoided the whole thing to begin with.

4. they are, but you don't want to sink down to their level do you?

5. The framers believed in non-interventionism precisely for this reason.

6. Arabs specifically? No. suggesting so is on the verge of racism.
Violence stems from situations, Africa is the same way. Even Europe was like that at one time, difference being that Europe has modernized and the ME still hasn't.

1. True. But. flying planes loaded with innocent people into buildings loaded with innocent victims instantly evokes burning hatred and desire for revenge. Something Arab planners surely anticipated and in my opinion, hoped for.

2. Nothing to do with 911. Everything to do with Iraq's aggression.
Going into Iraq being supported by almost every political opponent of the Bush administration. Including former President Clinton who openly stated that Hussein should be removed. After which, Al Queda moved into Iraq so as to kill Americans. Extending an action that likely would have been settled without their interference.

3. How? By bribing them? By not buying oil from them?
What are you talking about? What did America do to provoke 911?

4. Point for me to one post where those who pick America apart concerning issues of Arab/American relations suggest that Arabs are doing anything other than defending themselves from the great Satan.

5. The framers were not involved in a world of instant communications, international finances. Watching world injustice on the evening news.
The hollywood creeps who soooo oppose Iraq now express a desire to intervene in other nations where injustice is rampant. It seems that justice for all simply is a matter of popularity.

6. So? Do I care who thinks I am prejudiced against Arabs? Sure, as much as they care about being prejudiced against Americans. I will openly admit that I see Arabs as a threat and demand that my nation prepare to destroy them when they attempt another attack on our nation.
However, unlike them, I would be open to offers of peace and reparations from them for the trillions of dollars their bad behavior has cost the American tax payer.

Africa and Arabia are the oldest of societies in the world. They "should" have led the way to civility.

Their greed and disregard for life has bogged them down to tribalism. The only area they have opened themselves to modernization is the tools of war so as to kill more innocent victims. Which they must be spanked for after every event.

1. hoped for? I highly doubt that, i think the terrorists would much rather attack us free of consequence.

2. Iraq's aggression? What aggression is that? Even if that was true (which i doubt) why did we wait until after 9/11 to invade? there are nations much more openly aggressive towards US yet why is Iraq special in this regard?

3. Cold War policies!

4. I shouldn't have to. If you are so thickheaded that you do not know that killing people is wrong then we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place.

5. Excuses. Excuses.
What difference does instant communication make other than more awareness? the consequences will be the same regardless.

6. Do you see all arabs as a threat? If you say 'no' then tell me what arabs you do see as a threat. You are making too many generalizations at this point. radicals are the minority yet you continue to use a catch-all word like "arab".

7. Arabia? Don't you mean Mid-East? Saudi-Arabia is but one nation. But yes the Middle east was one of the most advanced societies at one time, they invented algebra and the zero and many other huge contributes to the modern world. Africa has been plagued with many problems that have hindered it from becoming modernized. In fact you will notice a lot of similarities between these two places. Some similarities include:
-Heated rivalries
-Outside interference
-Lacks water

8. Do you seriously for a second think that they are inherently more greedy than we are, or anyone else for that matter?

1. Bin Laden knew that he would not suffer the consequences. He was safely tucked away in a cave.But, he knew that America striking back would incite hatred among fellow Arabs.

2. You do realize that Iraq attacked and occupied Kuwait "before" 911? 1991 I believe. The coalition kicked them out. The UN laid down sanctions for Iraq to follow. They toyed with and UN inspectors and verbally suggested threats toward Israel. The U.S., with a coalition then removed Hussein from power.

3. Cold war had everything to do with the Soviet Union and nothing to do with Iran, Iraq, or any other Arab nation. Using the term "policies" is too broad and vague to explain anything.

4. Is killing people wrong for just us or are they included in your instruction manual? Hog wash. Some people deserve killing. Al Queda deserves death.

5. The framers could not forsee that the leaders of the U.S. would be dealing with issues within minutes of events. Time frames have an effect on the decision making process of national and international leaders.

6. Arabs who refuse to police the fanatics that attack the west and claim to do so in the name of Allah or for the sake of fellow Arabs are either guilty of cowardice or silently support the fanatics. I see no Arab nation aggressively arresting and trying people for killing foreigners.

7. All true. But, the fact remains that they are the oldest of societies. They should have been the leaders to modernization. Instead, they got bogged down by tribalism. Their fault. Not ours.

8. It's not a matter of what I believe. The leaders of oil rich nations have in fact become filthy rich. Have allowed their constituents to live in squalor. Have blamed the west for the conditions of their people inciting hatred for the west when it was "they" who damn their people to poverty.

1. If that is true, then we fell precisely into his hands, wouldn't you say? We acted as he expected and as a result his ranks grew.

2. before? yes way before, but it had nothing to do with their aggressiveness towards us. There was no sign that Iraq had any intention of attacking us.

3. Please understand what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq during the cold war.

4. why would you assume that i believe radicals killing americans is okay?

5. More excuses. The only difference that makes is that it is now more "tempting" to intervene, but is still just as consequential.

6. Perhaps many arabs are afraid of what might happen if they speak out against the terrorists but to say that no arabs have helped us fight the terrorist is ridiculous. There was an arab fighter helping pat Tillman when he died, arab fighters helped us track down saddam and Osama and many other things to boot.

7. Who is to say who's fault it truly is, considering there are many factors that may have lead to the slowness in which they achieve modernization.

8. Actually it does matter what you believe, because that was my question. Answer the question. Do you believe Arabs are inherently more greedy than than other people?

1. America did not know or imagine that Bin Laden would or could be sooo efficient at hiding. Nor does his talent for hiding make America bad for their response.

2. Hussein suggested continually that he intended to strike Israel as he delayed UN inspections. Moving known devices from site to site to prevent them from their duties. He brought about the war that ended his regime by daring the world. He lost his game. Justifiably so.

3. Afghanistan: The U.S. aided Afghanistan in the removal of Soviet aggressors. The fact that the Taliban turned out to be tyrannical was the responsibility of the Afghan people. In the end, we solved that issue for them.
Iraq: Long story. But, the U.S. who naturally attempts to "effect" governments to it's own advantage does not do so with ill intent toward the peoples of those nations. The manner leaders of nations deal with their own populations are the results of decisions by those leaders and accepted or defied against "by the people". Those who blame outside entities for the way leaders of nations treat their constituents are driven by political agendas, not logic.

4. Your arguments lean toward judgment of western reactions. Continually providing excuses for actions of mid easterners due to injustices to them by the west. It is my contention, as I have stated on many occasions that mid easterners are bitter toward the west due to treatment of them by their own masters as their masters dupe them with accusations toward the west for their poverty.

5. Sure they are excuses. Logical reasons for the difference in the way modern day leaders deal with events are certainly affected by technologies not available to the founders. When people strike they get struck. Devastatingly so.

6. I did not say "no Arabs" I am speaking of governments of Arab or mid east nations who do not police the criminal element of their populations. Those governments, in their inaction and silence send a message. Someone should be listening.
If a band of Americans decide that the way to solve illegal immigration is by terrorizing the immigrants as they cross the border by lobbing bombs at them, they will be hunted down by the United States military, police, FBI, you name it, they will be targeted and brought to justice.

7. Anybody paying attention can say. Nor does it matter whose fault it is. If they choose to remain in the dark ages, so be it. When they try to drag us into it with them, someone is going to lose. I want it to be them.

8. No. They are simply inherently "more stupid". Their leaders live in mansions and wallow in wealth. The people wallow in abhorrent conditions. Their leaders tell them it's the fault of the west. And they believe it.

1. America did not know or imagine that Bin Laden would or could be sooo efficient at hiding. Nor does his talent for hiding make America bad for their response.
2. Hussein suggested continually that he intended to strike Israel as he delayed UN inspections. Moving known devices from site to site to prevent them from their duties. He brought about the war that ended his regime by daring the world. He lost his game. Justifiably so.
3. Afghanistan: The U.S. aided Afghanistan in the removal of Soviet aggressors. The fact that the Taliban turned out to be tyrannical was the responsibility of the Afghan people. In the end, we solved that issue for them.
Iraq: Long story. But, the U.S. who naturally attempts to "effect" governments to it's own advantage does not do so with ill intent toward the peoples of those nations. The manner leaders of nations deal with their own populations are the results of decisions by those leaders and accepted or defied against "by the people". Those who blame outside entities for the way leaders of nations treat their constituents are driven by political agendas, not logic.
4. Your arguments lean toward judgment of western reactions. Continually providing excuses for actions of mid easterners due to injustices to them by the west. It is my contention, as I have stated on many occasions that mid easterners are bitter toward the west due to treatment of them by their own masters as their masters dupe them with accusations toward the west for their poverty.
5. Sure they are excuses. Logical reasons for the difference in the way modern day leaders deal with events are certainly affected by technologies not available to the founders. When people strike they get struck. Devastatingly so.
6. I did not say "no Arabs" I am speaking of governments of Arab or mid east nations who do not police the criminal element of their populations. Those governments, in their inaction and silence send a message. Someone should be listening.
If a band of Americans decide that the way to solve illegal immigration is by terrorizing the immigrants as they cross the border by lobbing bombs at them, they will be hunted down by the United States military, police, FBI, you name it, they will be targeted and brought to justice.
7. Anybody paying attention can say. Nor does it matter whose fault it is. If they choose to remain in the dark ages, so be it. When they try to drag us into it with them, someone is going to lose. I want it to be them.
8. No. They are simply inherently "more stupid". Their leaders live in mansions and wallow in wealth. The people wallow in abhorrent conditions. Their leaders tell them it's the fault of the west. And they believe it.

You and binnie fit the same bill.