aaronssongs
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 04:49 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34689 wrote:
Good program. Without it, there would be no universal standard.


Good program. Really. Would you care to explain the benefits of the "good program"....? It doesn't work....children are being left behind....
Read it ....if you're able....you might be one of those that got left behind.

No Child Left Behind:
Misguided Approach to School Accountability
for English Language Learners
By James Crawford, Executive Director
National Association for Bilingual Education
September 14, 2004
?It is crucial ? to include all students in testing designed to hold teachers and administrators accountable for the education they are providing these students. However, testing students whose language skills are likely to significantly affect their test performance will
yield inaccurate results. ? The aggregate performance of language
subgroups that are inappropriately tested can be seriously misunderstood,
and decisions influenced by invalid test results
can have a significant impact on their lives.?
? National Research Council (2000)
?There is always an easy solution to every human problem ?
neat, plausible, and wrong.?
? H. L. Mencken (1917)
Holding schools accountable for results is a goal with broad support among the American public, policymakers, and educators themselves. There is a growing recognition that our children deserve no less ? especially children whose academic needs have often been ignored, leading to achievement gaps that no just society should tolerate. The consensus falls apart, however, when it comes to means: how to design accountability systems that yield fair, accurate, and useful information on which to base decisions about school improvement. What kinds of oversight will ensure that students are achieving to their full potential, yet avoid arbitrary, one-size-fits-all mandates that disrupt the educational process? In short, how can we ensure that the ?solution? does not exacerbate the problem?
The No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) is the latest attempt to resolve this question. The law?s aims are worthy. Unfortunately, its approach to school accountability is overly rigid, punitive, unscientific, and likely to do more harm than good for the students who are now being left behind. Nowhere is this more true than in the case of English language learners (ELLs).
In 2001, the National Association for Bilingual Education (NABE) supported passage of this legislation. We hoped that its stress on high standards for all students, combined with enforceable requirements for meeting those standards, would lead schools to pay increased attention to the academic progress of ELLs. That has indeed occurred. But experience has also shown that NCLB is not bringing the kind of attention that would benefit these children.
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To the contrary, the law does little to address the most formidable obstacles to their achievement: resource inequities, critical shortages of teachers trained to serve ELLs, inadequate instructional materials, substandard school facilities, and poorly designed instructional programs. Meanwhile, its emphasis on short-term test results ? backed up by punitive sanctions for schools ? is narrowing the curriculum, encouraging excessive amounts of test preparation, undercutting best practices based on scientific research, demoralizing dedicated educators, and pressuring schools to abandon programs that have proven successful for ELLs over the long term.
After just two years, NCLB is clearly failing to meet its goals. By setting arbitrary and unrealistic targets for student achievement, this accountability system cannot distinguish between schools that are neglecting ELLs and those that are making improvements. As achievement targets become increasingly stringent, virtually all schools serving ELLs are destined to be branded failures. The inevitable result will be to derail efforts toward genuine reform. Ultimately, a misguided accountability system means no accountability at all.


For the full article: users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/Crawford_NCLB_Misguided_Approach_for_ELLs.pdf -
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crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 07:28 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34675 wrote:
Sez who? You? You know, "class" is a hard thing to define....but when it's missing...you know it. You know how I know I'm sophisticated...my drink of choice is a martini, shaken, not stirred...with olives, not lemon. And I prefer classical music and jazz....and I rather fancy art. And fine dining...I'm a great cook, and an even better host. That's why I'm sophisticated....if I wasn't, I would say so.
Your name says it all....Not.


Oh my God! I cannot believe you are actually telling us what makes you so "classy" and "sophisticated". Your tastes in drink, music, and art impress me beyond description. This is too easy! Please tell us more. You are proving my point to all who are reading this. The more you praise yourself, the more accurate your boastful statements must be, right? (wink, wink)

-CRACKFACE McGee
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 07:46 am
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34715 wrote:
Oh my God! I cannot believe you are actually telling us what makes you so "classy" and "sophisticated". Your tastes in drink, music, and art impress me beyond description. This is too easy! Please tell us more. You are proving my point to all who are reading this. The more you praise yourself, the more accurate your boastful statements must be, right? (wink, wink)

-CRACKFACE McGee


If you recall the post in question:

Quote:
Originally stated by aaronssongs View Post
I'm far too sophisticated for that.
Do sophisticated people actually refer to themselves as "sophisticated"?

My answer to your query was, in fact, "yes"...and I asked if you doubted my credentials...which you did...so I sought to elaborate.
People, here , seem to make no bones about tearing a soul down, why then would the self same folk throw a hissy fit over someone singing their own praises (since it's not forthcoming from any quarter here). Everyone else here seems to pat themselves on the back, at every turn...why not I?
I guess it's permissible for others to call you everything "but" a child of God, but don't dare defend yourself. How stupid is that?
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bizkit
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 03:30 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34675 wrote:
Sez who? You? You know, "class" is a hard thing to define....but when it's missing...you know it. You know how I know I'm sophisticated...my drink of choice is a martini, shaken, not stirred...with olives, not lemon. And I prefer classical music and jazz....and I rather fancy art. And fine dining...I'm a great cook, and an even better host. That's why I'm sophisticated....if I wasn't, I would say so.
Your name says it all....Not.

This is the most hilarious statement ...ever. Someone trying to prove to other people on an internet forum that they are "sophisticated"! I love it! The martini quote had to be my favorite. Shaken, not stirred...like James Bond. Hmmm, you probably don't like James Bond though. I have been working lately and haven't had time to post anything on here, but I just recently read all the latest forums.... interesting to say the least.
Its kind of turned into some name calling...and personal attacks, but the big picture here is the politics! We are not all going to agree on the same thing.....NEVER. We have different backgrounds and beliefs, different personal religious beliefs and sexual preferences. We will never change each others minds or views, but we Obviously love to discuss our views. So lets get to it. Its definately not wrong to "defend yourself", but it does seem that you arronssongs enjoy the fighting aspect of this forum. Which I guess is why you and most people are on here....to argue. So lets go, lets argue...but when you get personal you just tend to make people angry. Maybe thats what you want to do.... if it is, then so be it. The gloves can always come off.
Red cv
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 03:38 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34715 wrote:
Oh my God! I cannot believe you are actually telling us what makes you so "classy" and "sophisticated". Your tastes in drink, music, and art impress me beyond description. This is too easy! Please tell us more. You are proving my point to all who are reading this. The more you praise yourself, the more accurate your boastful statements must be, right? (wink, wink)

-CRACKFACE McGee


LOL well stated. I believe Id met EGO and SUPEREGO is getting ready to emplode.

Well I wear red rubber boots, drink scotch on the rocks and I wear dresses when I mow my lawn. I drive a truck and I've read every classical book written twice. My favorite is A Tale of Two Cities. I own a Tiara and I've been known to wear it just to upset the person who left it on my patio as an insult to me. On to music: I love Opera, yep that's right OPERA. Not those three sissy fellas El Diva, they sound like chanters not Opera Singers. My favorite artist is Pavarotti, he makes me cry when he sings Nessun dorma (no man shall sleep) my second favorite is Russell Watson and his song This is a lullaby.

Wow this is fun, Crack come on give up the ghost and tell me what you drink and listen to? What about you bizket?
crackface mcgee
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 04:05 pm
@Red cv,
Red;34805 wrote:
Wow this is fun, Crack come on give up the ghost and tell me what you drink and listen to? What about you bizket?


I drink Yoo-Hoo and Tang. I usually listen to Scott Joplin, Ray Stevens, and Bollywood showtunes. I like to have friends over to order pizza and watch college football or reality TV. Sitting on the coffee table when they arrive is a squeeze bottle of ranch dressing for dipping the pizza. I don't own any pets, but if I did, they would definitely have human names like Todd or Ellen. When I leave the house, I am usually wearing either a sumbrero or a beret.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 02:30 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34814 wrote:
I drink Yoo-Hoo and Tang. I usually listen to Scott Joplin, Ray Stevens, and Bollywood showtunes. I like to have friends over to order pizza and watch college football or reality TV. Sitting on the coffee table when they arrive is a squeeze bottle of ranch dressing for dipping the pizza. I don't own any pets, but if I did, they would definitely have human names like Todd or Ellen. When I leave the house, I am usually wearing either a sumbrero or a beret.


Not sophisticated in the least. Very bumpkin.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 02:34 pm
@bizkit,
bizkit;34802 wrote:
This is the most hilarious statement ...ever. Someone trying to prove to other people on an internet forum that they are "sophisticated"! I love it! The martini quote had to be my favorite. Shaken, not stirred...like James Bond. Hmmm, you probably don't like James Bond though. I have been working lately and haven't had time to post anything on here, but I just recently read all the latest forums.... interesting to say the least.
Its kind of turned into some name calling...and personal attacks, but the big picture here is the politics! We are not all going to agree on the same thing.....NEVER. We have different backgrounds and beliefs, different personal religious beliefs and sexual preferences. We will never change each others minds or views, but we Obviously love to discuss our views. So lets get to it. Its definately not wrong to "defend yourself", but it does seem that you arronssongs enjoy the fighting aspect of this forum. Which I guess is why you and most people are on here....to argue. So lets go, lets argue...but when you get personal you just tend to make people angry. Maybe thats what you want to do.... if it is, then so be it. The gloves can always come off.


Sophistication is an acquired trait. I became familiar with martinis, precisely from Bond movies, and became fond of the taste and the ambiance.
I also play chess and bridge....other hallmarks of sophistication, as opposed to dominoes and crazy 8's. Go figure.
Jazz, conversation, politics, poetry, art, classical music...all part and parcel of things and persons sophisticated. Don't hate, imitate, it's the most sincere form of flattery.
crackface mcgee
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 02:34 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;35128 wrote:
Not sophisticated in the least. Very bumpkin.


Great! I would never want to carry the air of self-importance of someone who actually refers to himself as "sophisticated" and then pathetically backs it up with his choice of beverage and music. You should probably stop now.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 02:38 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;35132 wrote:
Great! I would never want to carry the air of self-importance of someone who actually refers to himself as "sophisticated" and then pathetically backs it up with his choice of beverage and music. You should probably stop now.


Ok, since you're so astute, why don't you enlighten all of us, as to your definition of sophistication.....it takes one to know one...I'm all ears.
Hard to elaborate with a screen name, such as you have. It "oozes" sophistication. LOL
crackface mcgee
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 02:48 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;35133 wrote:
Ok, since you're so astute, why don't you enlighten all of us, as to your definition of sophistication.....it takes one to know one...I'm all ears.
Hard to elaborate with a screen name, such as you have. It "oozes" sophistication. LOL


I decline. I don't claim to be sophisticated, and I really don't take myself that seriously. I just want to reinforce that self-proclamation, in my opinion, is typically a dead giveaway that the claim is not so.

For your own sake, you really should let this thread die. You are not doing yourself any favors by drawing more attention to it.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 03:02 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;35137 wrote:
I decline. I don't claim to be sophisticated, and I really don't take myself that seriously. I just want to reinforce that self-proclamation, in my opinion, is typically a dead giveaway that the claim is not so.

For your own sake, you really should let this thread die. You are not doing yourself any favors by drawing more attention to it.


Coward. The reason you don't, is because you can't. I don't talk about what I don't know...I would never set myself up to be torn down...Just because your life experiences haven't enriched your life to the point of being content and appreciative, doesn't mean that the rest of us, haven't arrived.
It's sounds like a cut and dried case of "sour grapes', if you ask me, which you didn't. I know who I am...seems as if you still are searching. At your old age!
crackface mcgee
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 03:15 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;35144 wrote:
Coward.


Thanks! That was "classy".

aaronssongs;35144 wrote:
I don't talk about what I don't know


You were raising hell about Fox News in a separate post, and you don't know about that.


aaronssongs;35144 wrote:
Just because your life experiences haven't enriched your life to the point of being content and appreciative, doesn't mean that the rest of us, haven't arrived.
It's sounds like a cut and dried case of "sour grapes', if you ask me, which you didn't. I know who I am...seems as if you still are searching. At your old age!


My life is great. I feel content, enriched, and appreciative. I just don't think most people reading a political forum are here to impress each other, and they certainly don't give a sh!t about my alcoholic beverage of choice.

Again, I recommend you stop this nonsense. The more you post on this thread, the more people will see how important you think you are.
Red cv
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 03:31 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;35132 wrote:
Great! I would never want to carry the air of self-importance of someone who actually refers to himself as "sophisticated" and then pathetically backs it up with his choice of beverage and music. You should probably stop now.


Zing you won that round Crack, LOL. Pompous pontificating Academic wanna be would be my impression of Aarronssong. At least you are in Uni, not pretending you went.

I love Ranch dressing for dipping pizza crust in, ketchup also. I love the idea of a beret so very Francais.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 04:02 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;35154 wrote:
Thanks! That was "classy".



You were raising hell about Fox News in a separate post, and you don't know about that.

As I stated, I have watched it, on occasion, so I am aware of the type of yellow journalism that goes on there, so you're quite mistaken.




My life is great. I feel content, enriched, and appreciative. I just don't think most people reading a political forum are here to impress each other, and they certainly don't give a sh!t about my alcoholic beverage of choice.


Your take, not mine....you questioned my sensibilities, and the fact that I thought that my tastes were sophisticated...I gave you examples to support my claim...instead of shooting the messenger, why not take said messenger at his or her word...go back and look at the thread. I would have never brought it up, otherwise.

Again, I recommend you stop this nonsense. The more you post on this thread, the more people will see how important you think you are.

I am important...I hope that they think themselves important...if not, there may be some self-esteem issues that need to be dealt with....and from what I've seen, nothing could be closer to the truth than that. And is it nonsense because you said so? That wouldn't be you, thinking yourself important, would it?
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crackface mcgee
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 04:09 pm
@crackface mcgee,
You got me, Aaron! Congratulations. You are important and interesting and sophisticated and enriched, but I'm bored. And I'm sure the other readers are, too.

Sorry to all who have suffered here due to my prolonging of this pile of crap. He won't quit, but I'm done.
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aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 04:12 pm
@Red cv,
Red;35160 wrote:
Zing you won that round Crack, LOL. Pompous pontificating Academic wanna be would be my impression of Aarronssong. At least you are in Uni, not pretending you went.

I love Ranch dressing for dipping pizza crust in, ketchup also. I love the idea of a beret so very Francais.


Except that I have the credentials to back up my pontificating. What do you have, other than typical "frustrated housewife dribble", masquerading as competence, especially about "things American", which is opinion you can keep to yourself, as it doesn't really matter what it is you think?
If I were you, I'd enroll in a remedial English or American Government course, so as not to seem moronic, whenever you choose to share "your thoughts".
Dipping pizza crust in dressing, and ketchup???? How "rustic".
And for the umpteenth time....it's Aaronssongs( I'm a songwriter....get it? Aaron's songs!!! ) rocket science
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Drnaline
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 04:48 pm
@crackface mcgee,
OK aaron, lets see your credentials? HOw many songs have you sold, couple million, thousand? Hundred? What's the name of your label?
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bizkit
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 11:17 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;35131 wrote:
Sophistication is an acquired trait. I became familiar with martinis, precisely from Bond movies, and became fond of the taste and the ambiance.
I also play chess and bridge....other hallmarks of sophistication, as opposed to dominoes and crazy 8's. Go figure.
Jazz, conversation, politics, poetry, art, classical music...all part and parcel of things and persons sophisticated. Don't hate, imitate, it's the most sincere form of flattery.


Do you know what this whole round and round "I'm cooler than you" nonsense reminds me of????? High School...no wait, Jr. High! Thats it!!! Jr. High my friends. aaronssongs, I want to commend you for totally making yourself look like a unpopular kid in Jr High trying to make all the other kids like you. I have intensely enjoyed it, thank you. You obviously have tried to surround yourself with things that you think make you "look cool" in front of the people you consider your peers. Really, it has been very entertaining.
There are few people that I strive it imitate in this world...Christ, and my Mother to name the top two. In no way, form or fashion would it ever be you or the likes of you from what I have come to know by your strayed views and childish behavior in this forum.
Good day.

Oh, and for the record...sophistication is not an aquired trait. You're either born with it, or your not....Sorry to correct you.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 11:46 pm
@bizkit,
bizkit;35257 wrote:
Do you know what this whole round and round "I'm cooler than you" nonsense reminds me of????? High School...no wait, Jr. High! Thats it!!! Jr. High my friends. aaronssongs, I want to commend you for totally making yourself look like a unpopular kid in Jr High trying to make all the other kids like you. I have intensely enjoyed it, thank you. You obviously have tried to surround yourself with things that you think make you "look cool" in front of the people you consider your peers. Really, it has been very entertaining.
There are few people that I strive it imitate in this world...Christ, and my Mother to name the top two. In no way, form or fashion would it ever be you or the likes of you from what I have come to know by your strayed views and childish behavior in this forum.
Good day.

Oh, and for the record...sophistication is not an aquired trait. You're either born with it, or your not....Sorry to correct you.


What a tirade....and I'm accused of being emotional! I've never seen such juvenile whining...all because you can't have it your way.
The original posting which brought me "under fire" was, in part, as follows:
"....And for your information, I don't consider most of the networks, including CNN, "the news"...I'm far too sophisticated for that. But I am savvy enough to realize that their newscasts are less diluted and more "middle of the road", and therefore, less "agenda-driven", than say Fox News, which is owned by ultra right arch conservative Rupert Murdoch...and you don't think he has an agenda, do you?"

What the hell did I say that for? I have been taken to the shed for an innocent statement...I really don't think myself all that "high and mighty", but I'll damn well put myself, my intelligence, my achievements, and my opinion, ahead of anybody here, especially those who seek to tear me down for no good reason. I was take out of context, and ridiculed for it...how stupid!
I give a good god damn what you think. The only of importance that you said is that you strive to imitate Christ and your mother...well, I strive for the same...at least, on those grounds, we see eye to eye....but that's where it ends.
If I wasn't attacked every damn day, by someone up in here, who can neither spell, nor articulate a concise thought, and can only resort to character assassination...well, you'd soon tire of it yourself. But enough about me.
 

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