Reply Fri 31 Aug, 2007 09:11 pm
Why are black Republicans so often referred to as "Uncle Toms"? Too many times I have heard this term in reference to Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and other black Republicans.

I would think this would be particularly offensive to any African American, Democrat or Republican. Referring to a person of color as "Uncle Tom" simply because he or she is affiliated with the Republican party is basically saying that there should not be diversity of opinion within the black community. But I have heard this come out of the mouths of many white and black Democrats. This seems intolerant.

Thoughts?
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 31 Aug, 2007 10:06 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34004 wrote:
Why are black Republicans so often referred to as "Uncle Toms"? Too many times I have heard this term in reference to Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and other black Republicans.

I would think this would be particularly offensive to any African American, Democrat or Republican. Referring to a person of color as "Uncle Tom" simply because he or she is affiliated with the Republican party is basically saying that there should not be diversity of opinion within the black community. But I have heard this come out of the mouths of many white and black Democrats. This seems intolerant.

Thoughts?


I think the term is applied to blacks who are affiliated with the Republican Party, because they are viewed by other blacks as "sell outs".
Blacks who find themselves attracted to and subscribers of the Republican Party, are those usually in high income brackets, where loopholds and dividends benefiting "the rich and well-to-do", as well as corporate and filial ties, can improve one's social and economic standing.
Statistically speaking, most blacks fall outside of the upper echelons, hence their leaning, as a block toward the Democratic Party and its' principles, which are more favorable to their economic and social ascent.
Although there is much "tokenism" within the Republican Party, blacks, as a whole , are not embraced, or even "catered to".
One, whom I see as the poster child for being an "Uncle Tom", is none other than JC Watts, the former representative from the 4th district of Oklahoma, who now, routinely seen, as a "right wing" pundit for CNN. His unabashed support for the war, George Bush, and all things Republican, frequently "turns my stomach", and strikes me as pandering and disingenuous, as the Republican platforms rarely, if ever, benefit blacks, as a people, or as equal members of American society and enterprise.
Other examples, in high office, would, indeed be Condoleeza Rice, who is unapologetic for the missteps and misdeeds of this administration. Colin Powell, who has had his heretofore "unblemished' reputation "tarnished" by having to spread "the lies, as truth", about the Iraq War and Saddam's supposed WMD, before the UN, almost certainly regrets his blind and silent involvement with the administration, and indirectly, the "Republican agenda", as he, now readily admits.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 31 Aug, 2007 10:09 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34004 wrote:
Why are black Republicans so often referred to as "Uncle Toms"? Too many times I have heard this term in reference to Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and other black Republicans.

I would think this would be particularly offensive to any African American, Democrat or Republican. Referring to a person of color as "Uncle Tom" simply because he or she is affiliated with the Republican party is basically saying that there should not be diversity of opinion within the black community. But I have heard this come out of the mouths of many white and black Democrats. This seems intolerant.

Thoughts?


Yeah....it's real and it sucks. All non-Whites are expected to be automatic, life-long Democrats. Yet, deep down, many non-Whites are truly conservative, and don't want to belong.
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crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 09:39 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34007 wrote:

One, whom I see as the poster child for being an "Uncle Tom", is none other than JC Watts, the former representative from the 4th district of Oklahoma, who now, routinely seen, as a "right wing" pundit for CNN. His unabashed support for the war, George Bush, and all things Republican, frequently "turns my stomach", and strikes me as pandering and disingenuous, as the Republican platforms rarely, if ever, benefit blacks, as a people, or as equal members of American society and enterprise.
Other examples, in high office, would, indeed be Condoleeza Rice, who is unapologetic for the missteps and misdeeds of this administration.


So again, it all comes back to George W. Bush. If a black politician agrees with Bush about anything, you believe it is fair to call him or her an "Uncle Tom". Seems that Democrats only value "tolerance" and "diversity" when the Democrat party's political agenda advances; otherwise, conformity is required. This mindset is completely intolerant of diversity among the members of a particular race.
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 10:16 am
@crackface mcgee,
There should be no diverstiy amongst black people, they should ALL think alike. **** it why stop there ALL people should think alike, call them BORGS (for you star trek fans) Or call them NAZIS for you earthlings.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 11:07 am
@crackface mcgee,
Originally stated by aaronssongs View Post
'One, whom I see as the poster child for being an "Uncle Tom", is none other than JC Watts, the former representative from the 4th district of Oklahoma, who now, routinely seen, as a "right wing" pundit for CNN. His unabashed support for the war, George Bush, and all things Republican, frequently "turns my stomach", and strikes me as pandering and disingenuous, as the Republican platforms rarely, if ever, benefit blacks, as a people, or as equal members of American society and enterprise.
Other examples, in high office, would, indeed be Condoleeza Rice, who is unapologetic for the missteps and misdeeds of this administration.'




'So again, it all comes back to George W. Bush. If a black politician agrees with Bush about anything, you believe it is fair to call him or her an "Uncle Tom". Seems that Democrats only value "tolerance" and "diversity" when the Democrat party's political agenda advances; otherwise, conformity is required. This mindset is completely intolerant of diversity among the members of a particular race.'


It, indeed, all comes back to George Bush. Who is more representative of "Massa", than George W. Bush? A man of the South, genteel and privileged, raised to carry his father's torch...he could easily be seen as perfectly fitting in the pre-bellum South, managing a slave plantation, and reaping the benefits of life in the Old South (he ran a baseball team, for godssake...not a stretch from a "plantation mentality"). His careless disdain for the victims of Katrina, and the aftermath, is indicative of his "let-them-fend-for-themselves" point of view, detached and cold. Oh, but he'd be quick with the "whip and cane", so as to let everyone know who's in charge, similar to his "saber rattling", when it came to Saddam or as it comes to Iran. Appearances are "everything".

Given his world view of blacks, it is quite apropos to call a black person who supports his positions, and his world view, an "Uncle Tom".
Tolerance is not a device of leverage, and should never be used as "a weapon", to effect change, or further one's viewpoint. Don't get it twisted.
Should we be tolerant of sexual offenders, or racist views...of course not.
However, we should be tolerant of customs and beliefs of people, who inherently have just as much right to their beliefs and customs as we do, to ours'.
Diversity is the story of America, the melting pot....is there something different going on, that changes that fact?
It's simply a well known fact, that the Democratic Party is more embracing of diversity and certainly "more tolerant", than the Republican Party...just the facts, ma'am. Why else would the Republicans, essentially, "write off the black vote", and play "bait and switch" with the Hispanic vote, while catering to the Cubans of South Florida???? Why are "white" Cubans afforded sanctuary, if they can just touch America shores...while black Haitians are routinely sent back to their impoverished isle? Answer me that! It's a "quid quo pro" carrot, that Republicans dangle at "white Cubans", which affords them "instant citizenship" (for various reasons, outstanding of which is, "voting Republican")
Why the dichotomy?
Because America is still a racist nation, and refuses to come to grips with its sordid history and its inequality, to this very day. Go figure.
And you're pointing fingers at those of us that are "calling a spade a spade" or a "tom a tom"? Some of us choose to operate in reality...others enjoy the paradise of denial.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 01:25 pm
@crackface mcgee,
Condi is a tom. She's just a great big old UNCLE TOM. All Republican Blacks are sell-outs. All American Blacks should love gays, illegal immigrants, The Welfare State, Communism, Big Brother, and Osama Bin Laden.
crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:01 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34091 wrote:
It, indeed, all comes back to George Bush.


Thank you, Kanye, for the big dose of reality.
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crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:06 pm
@crackface mcgee,
aaronssongs;34091 wrote:
Should we be tolerant of sexual offenders, or racist views...of course not.[/COLOR]


Tell this to the slew of liberal judges in the Northeast, particularly Vermont, whose hearts bleed for the sex offenders to the point of letting them out on the street in a matter of days to repeat these vile offenses. If YOU deny this, then you are not operating in reality but in a paradise of denial.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:07 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34113 wrote:
Condi is a tom. She's just a great big old UNCLE TOM. All Republican Blacks are sell-outs. All American Blacks should love gays, illegal immigrants, The Welfare State, Communism, Big Brother, and Osama Bin Laden.


Yes.yes.yes. no. not necessarily. not necessarily. no. no, definitely not. and no.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:10 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34127 wrote:
Tell this to the slew of liberal judges in the Northeast, particularly Vermont, whose hearts bleed for the sex offenders to the point of letting them out on the street in a matter of days to repeat these vile offenses. If YOU deny this, then you are not operating in reality but in a paradise of denial.


How can I deny what I am unaware of. And I don't condone any passes for sexual offenders, and much less for any crimes against children. If you commit a heinous crime, then they should throw away the key, and no possibility of parole...is that strong enough?
crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:20 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34129 wrote:
How can I deny what I am unaware of.


You must take your news filtered.
crackface mcgee
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:33 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34091 wrote:
It's a "quid quo pro" carrot, that Republicans dangle at "white Cubans", which affords them "instant citizenship" (for various reasons, outstanding of which is, "voting Republican")


I actually laughed out loud that of the 2 major political parties, you call out the REPUBLICANS for catering to a racial minority so the members of that minority will feel indebted to vote for the party's candidates. Seriously?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 03:00 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34132 wrote:
You must take your news filtered.


Uh, you talk like a crazy person...
"Tell this to the slew of liberal judges in the Northeast, particularly Vermont, whose hearts bleed for the sex offenders to the point of letting them out on the street in a matter of days to repeat these vile offenses. If YOU deny this, then you are not operating in reality but in a paradise of denial."

I live in Houston, Texas...how is this story important to me? A whole lot of "news" takes place, without me knowing about it...yet you are up in arms, because I am unaware of this particular story, and I must "take my news, filtered"......Talk sense, instead of nonsense.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 03:09 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34133 wrote:
I actually laughed out loud that of the 2 major political parties, you call out the REPUBLICANS for catering to a racial minority so the members of that minority will feel indebted to vote for the party's candidates. Seriously?


Seriously.....Who do "white Cubans", predominantly vote for? The
Republicans didn't have to worry about the Catholic vote in South Florida...they didn't worry too much about the Hispanic vote in South Florida...least of all, the Cuban vote. They were, however, worried about the black vote, hence a whole slew of disenfranchised black voters in South Florida in 2000 and 2004, via Republican "dirty tricks".
The Dems are no picnic, either...as they have moved too far right for my liking...but they are the lesser of the two evils.
bizkit
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 04:15 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34007 wrote:
I think the term is applied to blacks who are affiliated with the Republican Party, because they are viewed by other blacks as "sell outs".
Blacks who find themselves attracted to and subscribers of the Republican Party, are those usually in high income brackets, where loopholds and dividends benefiting "the rich and well-to-do", as well as corporate and filial ties, can improve one's social and economic standing.
Statistically speaking, most blacks fall outside of the upper echelons, hence their leaning, as a block toward the Democratic Party and its' principles, which are more favorable to their economic and social ascent.
Although there is much "tokenism" within the Republican Party, blacks, as a whole , are not embraced, or even "catered to".
One, whom I see as the poster child for being an "Uncle Tom", is none other than JC Watts, the former representative from the 4th district of Oklahoma, who now, routinely seen, as a "right wing" pundit for CNN. His unabashed support for the war, George Bush, and all things Republican, frequently "turns my stomach", and strikes me as pandering and disingenuous, as the Republican platforms rarely, if ever, benefit blacks, as a people, or as equal members of American society and enterprise.
Other examples, in high office, would, indeed be Condoleeza Rice, who is unapologetic for the missteps and misdeeds of this administration. Colin Powell, who has had his heretofore "unblemished' reputation "tarnished" by having to spread "the lies, as truth", about the Iraq War and Saddam's supposed WMD, before the UN, almost certainly regrets his blind and silent involvement with the administration, and indirectly, the "Republican agenda", as he, now readily admits.

You have got to be kidding me. To judge black republicans in this way is insane. This whole thread is turning into something just crazy. Republicans are NOT against blacks...and neither is GWB. He has promoted more blacks into power positions than any other President.
Reading some of the posts on here reminds me of why America is in distress politically....
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 05:11 pm
@bizkit,
bizkit;34148 wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. To judge black republicans in this way is insane. This whole thread is turning into something just crazy. Republicans are NOT against blacks...and neither is GWB. He has promoted more blacks into power positions than any other President.
Reading some of the posts on here reminds me of why America is in distress politically....


Don't let Aaron bother you. He's a wildman. Very Happy
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 05:13 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34140 wrote:
Seriously.....Who do "white Cubans", predominantly vote for? The
Republicans didn't have to worry about the Catholic vote in South Florida...they didn't worry too much about the Hispanic vote in South Florida...least of all, the Cuban vote. They were, however, worried about the black vote, hence a whole slew of disenfranchised black voters in South Florida in 2000 and 2004, via Republican "dirty tricks".
The Dems are no picnic, either...as they have moved too far right for my liking...but they are the lesser of the two evils.


Do you know what will break the bonds of anti-White racism among Blacks? Money. As more Blacks become solidly middle-class, they'll fight to not pay more taxes. Money talks.
Red cv
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 05:28 pm
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;34127 wrote:
Tell this to the slew of liberal judges in the Northeast, particularly Vermont, whose hearts bleed for the sex offenders to the point of letting them out on the street in a matter of days to repeat these vile offenses. If YOU deny this, then you are not operating in reality but in a paradise of denial.



That's the norm in Canada, usually the judge wipes a tear from his eye when he sentences a man for raping a twelve year old to two years in jail. He's out in three months to do it again. The judge usually gives them a little pep talk about turning their lives around and that in their hearts they're good people. I'd like to see the lot of them hanged from a maple tree but hay I'm half con/liberal.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 05:37 pm
@Red cv,
Red;34159 wrote:
That's the norm in Canada, usually the judge wipes a tear from his eye when he sentences a man for raping a twelve year old to two years in jail. He's out in three months to do it again. The judge usually gives them a little pep talk about turning their lives around and that in their hearts they're good people. I'd like to see the lot of them hanged from a maple tree but hay I'm half con/liberal.


Maybe it was Catholicism that so thoroughly screwed up Canada. Are you Catholic, Red?
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