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A Step Closer To Martial Law

 
 
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 08:34 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;46129 wrote:
Seems alot of people like to drive to work, if they didn't there would not be a dependence on oil. Correct? If that dependence was gone do you think we would be in Iraq?


Since we've invaded Iraq gas prices have gone up, and on another note the invasion wasn't about obtaining gas it was about finding WMDs.
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DurtySanches
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 08:39 pm
@RedOct,
Free market dictates the price of oil. Not any government.

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and on another note the invasion wasn't about obtaining gas it was about finding WMDs.
Part of the reason was WMD's, that was by no means the only reason. The list was rather long if memory serves me. I think violating the agreements he signed the first time had a lot to do with it.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 08:44 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;46135 wrote:
Free market dictates the price of oil. Not any government.

Then why do you advocate staying in Iraq when we were talking about car ownership?

Part of the reason was WMD's, that was by no means the only reason. The list was rather long if memory serves me. I think violating the agreements he signed the first time had a lot to do with it.

It matters not what was in the official report he could've said he was chasing lepprechauns in the official report as far as i'm concerned, what matters is what he told the American people, and what he told America is that he was looking for WMD's!



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DurtySanches
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:01 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46136 wrote:
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When have i advocated saying in Iraq?

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It matters not what was in the official report he could've said he was chasing lepprechauns in the official report as far as i'm concerned, what matters is what he told the American people, and what he told America is that he was looking for WMD's!
If memory serve me again, I'm pretty sure we did look for WMD's and didn't find any. So your pissed because we looked or because we did and didn't find any?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:08 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;46129 wrote:
Seems alot of people like to drive to work, if they didn't there would not be a dependence on oil. Correct? If that dependence was gone do you think we would be in Iraq?


Ignoring it doesn't make it go away. The problem is NOT oil, or even our dependence on it, it is our policy. In 1953 Iran wanted to nationalize their oil, the Anglo-Persian oil company (from Britian) wanted it though, so the CIA sponsored a coup, and installed the Shaw. So instead of letting the market we work, we overthrew a government so that friendly oil companies could profit. Since then, it has been an ongoing scenerio of bullshit to ensure that the oil companies, and more recently military contractors, can profit. Our dependence isn't why we have found ourselves their, our greed is.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:09 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;46135 wrote:
Free market dictates the price of oil. Not any government.

Part of the reason was WMD's, that was by no means the only reason. The list was rather long if memory serves me. I think violating the agreements he signed the first time had a lot to do with it.


The list was long, almost all of it related to the WMDs, with a smidgeon of human rights thrown in to get the liberals on board too.
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DurtySanches
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:10 pm
@RedOct,
So is shooting at our planes an act of war?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:11 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;46142 wrote:
When have i advocated saying in Iraq?

Then what was the purpose of asking if I drive/own a car?

If memory serve me again, I'm pretty sure we did look for WMD's and didn't find any. So your pissed because we looked or because we did and didn't find any?

I am pissed that we have started a war on false presumptions, stay in iraq causing more American deaths and still our administration denies that it has made a mistake!



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92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:14 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;46148 wrote:
So is shooting at our planes an act of war?


We bombed them when they did. Action -> reaction. Would you support America shooting down Chinese fighter planes invading our airspace? If we did, would you think that China had a right to invade the US?
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DurtySanches
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:24 pm
@RedOct,
And were still bombing them today.
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Would you support America shooting down Chinese fighter planes invading our airspace?
Not if they had a signed agreement from us saying we wouldn't.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 04:21 pm
@RedOct,
These rascals just hate America, I'm afraid.
klyph
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 05:10 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46213 wrote:
These rascals just hate America, I'm afraid.


You're confusing a globally unbiased opinion with hate for America.
Equal responsibility and expectations are not hate.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 06:49 pm
@klyph,
klyph;46220 wrote:
You're confusing a globally unbiased opinion with hate for America.
Equal responsibility and expectations are not hate.


Didn't you know!? anybody who disagree's with pinochet HATES America!
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 08:25 pm
@klyph,
klyph;46220 wrote:
You're confusing a globally unbiased opinion with hate for America.
Equal responsibility and expectations are not hate.


I call consistently arguing against whatever reasonable action your country takes to defend itself treason. I call consistently arguing in favor of whatever your country's enemies do, treason. There are some here who, IMO, are traitors.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 08:27 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46272 wrote:
Didn't you know!? anybody who disagree's with pinochet HATES America!


Pino is awesome, I know, but that isn't the point. Get up off your knees. I don't require you to pray before me. Has it dawned on you that you haven't said one good thing about America since you came here? :angryfire:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 09:25 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46289 wrote:
Pino is awesome, I know, but that isn't the point. Get up off your knees. I don't require you to pray before me. Has it dawned on you that you haven't said one good thing about America since you came here? :angryfire:


I love America and the Ideals it was founded on but, i don't like the direction this country is going! I feel no need to compliment this nation at the current state of things.
klyph
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 12:27 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46288 wrote:
I call consistently arguing against whatever reasonable action your country takes to defend itself treason. I call consistently arguing in favor of whatever your country's enemies do, treason. There are some here who, IMO, are traitors.


Iraq never attacked us, nor did they ever have the capability. How can you call an unprovoked invasion an act of defense? There were never any Iraqi military forces on American soil.
So disagreeing with a strategy/policy which I feel is foolish/unjustified makes me a traitor?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 01:14 pm
@klyph,
klyph;46374 wrote:
Iraq never attacked us, nor did they ever have the capability. How can you call an unprovoked invasion an act of defense? There were never any Iraqi military forces on American soil.
So disagreeing with a strategy/policy which I feel is foolish/unjustified makes me a traitor?


None of this obsessive, agonizing self-doubt will change anything. None of it. It hurts us, in fact. It causes too many people to sit and dwell, and sit, sit, sit, and dwell, dwell, dwell, some more. Meanwhile, we have an enemy to kill. The 'why', 'how come', 'who is at fault?', 'shoulda, coulda, woulda', NO LONGER MATTER. Our asses are THERE, and we can't leave before securing the place tighter than a frog's ass. :rocketwhore:
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 01:17 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46320 wrote:
I love America and the Ideals it was founded on but, i don't like the direction this country is going! I feel no need to compliment this nation at the current state of things.


You should not live here. Get out. :liar::stupid::damnit::FU1::FU2:
klyph
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 01:25 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46389 wrote:
None of this obsessive, agonizing self-doubt will change anything. None of it. It hurts us, in fact. It causes too many people to sit and dwell, and sit, sit, sit, and dwell, dwell, dwell, some more. Meanwhile, we have an enemy to kill. The 'why', 'how come', 'who is at fault?', 'shoulda, coulda, woulda', NO LONGER MATTER. Our asses are THERE, and we can't leave before securing the place tighter than a frog's ass. :rocketwhore:


Ya, don't think, just do. That ought to work, right? Why use your brain when you can use military force instead?
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