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Police Confiscations

 
 
westernmom
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 04:14 pm
@RedOct,
If these things are happening every single week as this states then why in the heck does the article have to be filled with stories that are 15 years old? Why not do the article from last month's stories?

Let's update the atrocities people!
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 04:17 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;33137 wrote:
The only reason his ideas are "seriously flawed", is because the sheeple can't live without their nanny state being responsible for them.


Count me out. No sheeple here. At this point in my life, I can be totally self sufficient. I just want to be left alone from those that will attempt at every opportunity to attack my money in the name of equality. Want to be my equal? Just do what I did with the same vigor and intensity.

When I went to college, I chose a local school that I could commute to from my parents home to save money and continued to work all through school to support the cost of my education.

When I went into business, I borrowed money with a SBA guarantee, paid it all back within 5 years and employed many fine individuals along the way. It never even occurred to me that I would not be successful or ask for a bailout from Uncle Sam. Today, you screw up, just declare bankruptcy or when all else fails, vote for Hillary - she'll promise whatever she has to to get the power and then use that power to increase her personal wealth, now estimated at $50 million.
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westernmom
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 04:26 pm
@RedOct,
SoCal,

They are all from a different generation. It horrified me that one of our kids got a student loan! They all had the opportunity to get good grades to get scholarships and then we helped them raise holstein heifers to put aside for their education. One kid thought she needed a car worse than college and then when she decided to go back to school after getting married she got student loans. Thought that that money just grew on trees! Now, she's finding out it has to be paid back!

That's why we are having so many problems in the housing industry. We saved and scrimped to buy our homes and couldn't afford it until we practically retired. Nowadays they go in and get them a new little house with practically nothing down. Can't make the payments? No problem. Easy come - easy go!
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 04:43 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;33140 wrote:
I don't need my government for ****. I pay for but i never use there services. I was refering to his foreign policy.


Democrats you money gets divided up to the poor/lazy, neocons, you money gets divided up to foreign interest/nations. Nero is fiddling, and Rome is burning at home. "Flawed" policies, you keep your money and are responsible for yourself, sheeple want to be controlled and told where their money is going. Freedom scares the sheeple, it means responsibility.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 06:21 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;33153 wrote:
Democrats you money gets divided up to the poor/lazy, neocons, you money gets divided up to foreign interest/nations. Nero is fiddling, and Rome is burning at home. "Flawed" policies, you keep your money and are responsible for yourself, sheeple want to be controlled and told where their money is going. Freedom scares the sheeple, it means responsibility.


True enough. We are in a downward spiral of our own doing. Our elected leaders over that past 40-50 years all went for the quick fix with little regard for the future which is now upon us. People are lazy, kids are obese and everyone is looking for a handout. Even the wealthy will take the money just so that they are not shut out. We cannot even kick them to the curb for what will follow may be worse. Political corruption is rampant. Where do we go from here..?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 07:21 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;33173 wrote:
Where do we go from here..?


Maybe....stop electing globalist, neocon dirt to run our country? Stop electing socialist that don't even know what sovereignty means? Start electing officials that are honest, and NOT out to "rule the world".
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 08:20 am
@RedOct,
In other words, vote Ron Paul, LOL
92b16vx
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 08:29 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;33266 wrote:
In other words, vote Ron Paul, LOL


Pretty much. Though he is not the only choice that fits the bill, just the best one. I don't think Huckabee, or Hunter quite have the grasp of foreign policy, and consequences of a bad one to be perfect, but they are at least halfway honest (seeming).
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 08:37 am
@RedOct,
I wouldn't mind the huckster.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 10:37 am
@RedOct,
Just to clarify, Duncan Hunter has been in congress for 26 years and is eminently qualified in all areas of foreign policy. Having spent the last 30+ years in San Diego, I know his reputation well for being a square jawed, no BS kind of guy. Unfortunately, he is not well known enough to even make a blip on the screen. If I thought he had a decent chance, I would definitely vote for him.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 08:27 pm
@RedOct,
My biggest problems with Hunter are

abortion (something I don't agree with Ron Paul on either)
Voted YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.
Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent.
Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration

Voted NO on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC
Voted YES on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests
Voted YES on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror
Voted YES on giving federal aid only to schools allowing voluntary prayer
Voted YES on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy
Voted NO on protecting whistleblowers from employer recrimination
Voted YES on limiting medical malpractice lawsuits to $250,000 damages
Voted YES on capping damages & setting time limits in medical lawsuits
Voted YES on banning physician-assisted suicide
Voted NO on restricting no-bid defense contracts
Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant
Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight

Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists
Voted YES on supporting new position of Director of National Intelligence
Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan
Voted YES on deploying SDI
Voted YES on banning Internet gambling by credit card
Pre-emptive tactical nukes OK if Iran keeps centrifuges
Iraq war has been worth it
Iraqi forces have stopped running and started fighting
Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date

Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq
Voted YES on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks

Other than those, he's not too bad.

(if it's bolded, it is really bad, the italisized(sic) and red one is REALLY, REALLY, bad.)
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 09:03 pm
@RedOct,
Nobody's perfect. I'm tired, I just had a ribeye and a bottle of cabernet with Mrs. SoCal. I'll get back to you, 92b. Hang in there buddy.
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RedOct
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 05:18 am
@RedOct,
There are literally hundreds of new state and local confiscation laws, your car, home, business, and bank accounts can be seized more easily than ever before.

The next time someone plays their car stereo too loud or commits a crime in your neighborhood, watch out: Under new local asset-forfeiture laws your property could be seized for the acts of criminals you have never met. It's called 'community responsibility' and it's one of the fastest-growing trends in asset-confiscation law. Here's how it works in Colorado Springs, Colorado:

According to the Colorado Springs Gazette, owners of businesses and other property in high-crime areas are now required to "abate crime" in their area. "Crimes" explicitly included in the new ordinance include prostitution, drug deals, drive-by shootings, and even playing a car stereo too loud.

What happens if property owners don't do enough to abate crime in the eyes of the police? Under the new ordinance, their businesses, homes and other assets can then be seized by police without any form of due process.

The Gazette explains, "Seizure would last a minimum of three months. To reopen, [a business] owner would have to prove no violations took place or that a remedy to the problem is in place" While the city controls the property, the owner would remain responsible for the mortgage, maintenance and other costs. If after one year the owner is not eligible to regain the property, the city could sell it. The city gets to keep the proceeds, and private homes can also be confiscated under this ordinance.

Colorado Springs Police Chief Lorne Kramer has promised that property would only be seized from owners who are 'not doing enough' to alleviate crime.

What the new "community responsibility" ordinance in Colorado Springs means is that ordinary citizens who are simply trying to live their own lives and make a living are being told that they must stop crimes that the police can't, or lose their homes and businesses.

A few years ago I joked that US civil asset-forfeiture laws – which charge property rather than individuals with crimes – were so absurd that if your car was stolen and then recovered, the police could keep your car as "guilty property." I'm not laughing any longer. This is precisely what these absurd new laws will do. The Colorado Springs ordinance is not an isolated case. Similar laws have been passed throughout the U.S. – and they're being enforced:

In New York City, police confiscated Mariscos del Caribe – a popular Puerto Rican restaurant – because one regular customer, Samuel Aponte Vega, was allegedly a drug dealer. At first the police claimed that Vega was the owner of the restaurant, but even when that was proved to be a complete fabrication, they still refused to return the property. The police argued it was the owners' responsibility to monitor and screen their customers. (See Brenda Grantland, Your House Is Under Arrest, pp. 72-74.)

In Montgomery Alabama, police seized the home of 69 year-old Gussie Mae Gantt after video-taping police informants purchasing drugs in her yard. Ms. Gantt had previously called the police, complaining about drug-dealing in her neighborhood and had posted no-trespassing signs on her property. But – not surprisingly – the drug dealers ignored her signs.

In Westminster, Maryland, police arrested Pamela Davis and both her son and daughter, after her daughter signed for a UPS package delivered to her home which turned out to contain marijuana. It was later revealed that the package had been mailed by the police, who wanted to confiscate her home – a large 18th Century farmhouse – for use as a police retreat. (See Brenda Grantland, Your House Is Under Arrest, p. 164.)

In California, under a new law that went into effect last year, entire businesses can be seized if the owners employ any illegal aliens – even if they don't know that they're illegal.

Under a new federal law, all property subject to federal civil forfeiture is now subject to federal criminal forfeiture as well. In plain English, hundreds of minor federal civil offenses have been turned into criminal offenses at the stroke of a pen. That means minor mistakes on Medicare forms, insurance applications, mortgage applications, and possibly even your tax return, could be used to seize your bank accounts or home!

The "crime" of money laundering was vastly expanded to include minor paperwork errors. What, you say you just forgot to declare $100 in an inside pocket of your wallet on the currency report you filed when leaving the U.S.? Too bad. All $4,100 you're carrying can now be seized.

If feds seize your property and you leave the US, you won't be allowed to challenge their seizure in court.

Asset Confiscation Continues To Expand

In the last 10 years, the number of federal offenses for which your property can be seized has increased from 200 to over 400. In addition, states, cities and local communities continue to pass new asset-forfeiture laws at a breakneck speed. Today there are thousands of local confiscation laws which didn't exist a few years ago. For instance, state laws have been recently passed allowing the seizure of cars for such "crimes" as transporting illegal fireworks, playing a stereo too loud, and driving on an expired license.

In his book, Freedom in Chains, James Bovard explains:"Many local and state governments actively target and confiscate cars of drivers who violate one of a rapidly-multiplying list of offenses. In 1996, Chicago suburbs enacted ordinances to authorize seizure of automobiles if a car radio is too noisy, or if the cars are being driven by teenagers out past 11:00 p.m. Detroit officials seized 3,000 cars in 1995 from drivers who allegedly used their vehicles for trysts with prostitutes. They even seized the cars of innocent owners who had no involvement or knowledge of the crime." (Freedom In Chains, pages 26 & 27).

Another big growth area for asset forfeiture is alleged environmental offenses. Again quoting Bovard: "The Office of Code Enforcement in Alexandria, Virginia, sent certified letters to 22 homeowners – threatening to condemn their properties unless they fixed chipping paint on their windowsills or door frames. In Skaneateles, New York, the local government responded to one couple's zoning violations by sending in sheriff's deputies to drag out and jail the owner's wife and raze their $350,000 lakefront home." (Lost Rights, p. 20).

More property than ever is being seized. Most states now have monthly police sales at which thousands of cars, boats, and other government-looted property is sold. At least $9-billion in assets has been seized from American citizens since the late 1970s. Most of the dispossessed were never charged with any crime.

Targeting doctors for confiscations: increasingly, government regulatory agencies have been seizing the offices, bank accounts and homes of independent doctors without any trial or hearing, for alleged violations of Medicare and other government health rules. These violations often consist of making mistakes on confusing government paperwork or charging "too much" for health care, where government bureaucrats decide after the fact how much is too much.

Confiscating your guns. Completely legal guns are now routinely confiscated by police whenever cars or houses are searched, but that's just the beginning. Under SB-2099, now pending before the Senate, any handguns you own would have to be registered with the IRS and you would have to pay a tax of $50 for each handgun you buy.

Although the bill doesn't spell this out, any unregistered or untaxed guns in your possession could probably be confiscated under the IRS code. According to the person who informed us of this bill: "SB-2099 is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all."
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 05:42 am
@tvsej,
tvsej;32834 wrote:
This will get worse in the name of terrorism, the Pariot Act II has allowed big brother to enter our homes and lives with no warning or warrant necessary. Welcome to the land of the free, who is the criminal now? The police the government? Scary stuff!


Under Republican rule, it was a blessing. Under the Communist Democrats, it will indeed become a curse. DOWN WITH CLINTON.:thumbdown:
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:07 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46939 wrote:
Under Republican rule, it was a blessing. Under the Communist Democrats, it will indeed become a curse. DOWN WITH CLINTON.:thumbdown:


You should NEVER support a law that is based on party approval. If you don't want it with a democrat, than you don't want it with a republican. The executive branch should never be meddling in the daily lives of the people

Serfs don't work here.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:53 pm
@RedOct,
*****!!!!!!! **, *** ***** **** * ** *****!!!!!!!!!! Okay!!!!????!!!!
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:17 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;47021 wrote:
*****!!!!!!! **, *** ***** **** * ** *****!!!!!!!!!! Okay!!!!????!!!!


I think I see you intelligence poking through...oh nevermind, it was just a piece of dust on my monitor.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 07:58 am
@RedOct,
RedOct;46937 wrote:
Confiscating your guns. Completely legal guns are now routinely confiscated by police whenever cars or houses are searched, but that's just the beginning. Under SB-2099, now pending before the Senate, any handguns you own would have to be registered with the IRS and you would have to pay a tax of $50 for each handgun you buy.


Oh. My. God.

THE WORLD IS ENDING. THEYS TRYIN TO TAKE MY GUNS! YOU CAN HAVE THEM ONE BULLET AT A TIME!!!

So, Pino... ready to support the War on Terror? They want to regulate your guns. They want to be able to take your guns at a whim. All to support fighting terror.

Come on "Death to AQ", support the fight! Turn in your guns!
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 06:47 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;47036 wrote:
Oh. My. God.

THE WORLD IS ENDING. THEYS TRYIN TO TAKE MY GUNS! YOU CAN HAVE THEM ONE BULLET AT A TIME!!!

So, Pino... ready to support the War on Terror? They want to regulate your guns. They want to be able to take your guns at a whim. All to support fighting terror.

Come on "Death to AQ", support the fight! Turn in your guns!


Bush doesn't. Your Goddess of American Marxism -- The Skankstress Hillary -- does, and will lose many of her secret policemen trying to get them.:AR15firing::AR15firing::AR15firing:
92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 07:57 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;47065 wrote:
Bush doesn't. Your Goddess of American Marxism -- The Skankstress Hillary -- does, and will lose many of her secret policemen trying to get them.:AR15firing::AR15firing::AR15firing:


Bush said he would sign an AWB if it came across his desk, stop lying to yourself.
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