Separation of Church and State

Drnaline wrote:
"Congress shall make no law restricting religion."
That's what it would take but as per Constitution they are not allowed. Smart guys they were.

That is what I call selective quotation. Funny How you left out an entire part of the quote.
"Congress shall make no law restricting religion, is what you stated.
When actually the Constitution states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof". (First Amendment to the
Constitution for the United States of America, December 15, 1791).

When you read it as it was actually written, it proposes something entirely different then what you wish it said. Please read it carefully and tell me how this is not the foundation for a secular government that supports the rights of any individual who wishes to pursue which ever religion they choose?

That is what I call selective quotation. Funny How you left out an entire part of the quote.

"Congress shall make no law restricting religion, is what you stated.

When you read it as it was actually written, it proposes something entirely different then what you wish it said.

Please read it carefully and tell me how this is not the foundation for a secular government that supports the rights of any individual who wishes to pursue which ever religion they choose?

Volunteer,
Are you stating that Christianity is the only religion that is capable of decent moral values? That christianity is the only religion that recognizes basic human rights and freedoms?
I assert that I am in no way ignorant of the nature of christianity, but that you are ignorant of the ways of any other religion or secular entity that promotes morals that mirror christianity's morals. Christianity doesn't hold a monopoly on moral righteousness. It only thinks it does.

Did I read your post correctly? Are you asserting that many of the founding Fathers were ministers? How many exactly qualifies as many? please elaborate.

"The Bible was the primary source behind the Constitution."

Where did you learn this? Are you educated in History of the Constitution?
Please show me how the Bible is the primary source for the Constitution. I would like to know.

No, are you? i would be highly surprised if you were because then you might know that 34% of it's citations came directly from the Bible, which was represented as the most quoted source. Also, 60% of quotes came from men who used the bible to form their conclusion and 94% of all the quotes used by the Founding Fathers came from the Bible. The thre branches of government, for example, were inspired by Isaiah 33:22 - "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver and the Lord is our king."

Interpretations are subject to change. With Roberts and Alito in there i hope they revisit it in my lifetime.

Actually, they do create law. That is the issue that should be addressed. The Supreme Court should not have the power to do more than the Legislative or Executive Branches. The framers of the Constitution were clear that the Supreme Court was to be the weakest branch. Any Supreme Court decision concerning religion or religious rights should be overturned by legislative action to restict the scope of supreme court authority and exclude those issues as they, themselves are restricted by the Constitution. If this means ammending the Constitution, then so be it. The Supreme Court should not have more power then the other branches when it comes to religion, period.

I with you Interpretations are subject to change. Next week next year en years from now Separation Of Church and State might not exist. WE are talking about RIGHT NOW though.

P.S.- Speak with any constituional scholar and they will confirm that John Locke was the biggest influence on the constitution, for Thomas Jefferson borrowed most heavily form his works.

Niccolo Machiavelli — Author of The Prince and Discourses on Livy.
Thomas Hobbes — Author of De Cive and Leviathan.
John Locke — Author of Second Treatise on Government, A Letter Concerning Toleration, and other works, which laid the basis for social contract theory.
Cornelius van Bynkershoek — Author of Questions of Public Law.
Baron Charles de Montesquieu — Author of Spirit of Laws.

Thats is an interesting theory. However, I know that the constitution was not inspired primarily from the bible. I'm quite confident that one could scour the bible and come up with quotes like the one above that make a vague (at best) correlation to what is written in the constitution. I am quite sure that there may be some biblical quotes in the constitution. But that does not by any means convey that the constitution as a whole was inspired by the bible. If that was the case we would have very little freedom of religion. (....thou shall have no other god before me.....etc)

IT is an issue that should be addressed regardless which side of the line we will stand on. But that is NOT the issue of this thread.

That is a hypocritical stance. You expressed an opinion that the SCOTUS made law concerning the idea of separation of church and state, therefore the issue is settled. I expressed the opinion that they did not have standing to make that law.

You can't just cut a thread because someone takes the needle from your hand.

Where is my hypocritical stance? SCOTUS makes an interpretation, IT IS LAW end of argument.

Sorta like when they decided the Constitution said that Black people weren't citizens. The thread was made to argue about whether or not Separation of Church and State is real or should be real. For you to insist that it is law does not make a difference

My response was to the countless posts that Separation of Church And State is not the law.