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Can Muslims be good Americans?

 
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 08:12 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;20042 wrote:
you may not use it but by Christian standards the OT is still considered Canon, which means all that angy god stuff is the same god christians call "The Father", to disregard that is to do exactly what Italk about. Dinning "Buffet Style" from your religion


Mt 5:17-20, "Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches [these commandments] will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 09:35 am
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;20070 wrote:
that's not true either, and it's quite the myopic viewpoint

I've met Muslims who want radicals stopped for fear it would destroy their religion.

Think about it, no religious group could feel more threatened then rational Islam, to us Al Qaeda is a opposing problem. To them it's a theological cancer. The fact that I've met good Muslims within our military more then disproves your statement.



But what are they willing to do? Do they turn them in to the authorities? No. Do they stand up to them, in mass, in public? No. Do they go on TV and speak out against them, reassuring non-Mulism populations that not all Muslims are bloodthirsty killers? Not often enough. Bottom line: THEY DON'T DO MUCH TO POLICE THEIR OWN. THEREFORE, THOSE WHO ARE AFRAID OF GETTING BLOWN UP MUST POLICE THEM, AND THEN EVERYONE SCREAMS, "RACISM", "INTOLERANCE", "FASCISM". Nah.....it's just good old human FEAR of getting killed or injured. That's all -- self-protection. :headbang:
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 10:51 am
@socalgolfguy,
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love how in one thread most of you point to Iraq succeeding, and we have to stay in Iraq to help the people (muslims) so they can defeat muslim extremist. In another, like this one, they (muslims) are all out to get us and they(muslims) are all the enemy. Holy schizophrenia batman. Get some ******* consistancy, and then your views might have a valid sense about them, till then it's all misguided, bordering on racist rambling.


Muslim is not a race, a race cannot be violent by nature, and idealogy can.
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 10:57 am
@socalgolfguy,
Separation of Church and state is the ideal in a multy cultural country.

Any who can do this should not have any trouble being good citizens.

Regards
DL
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 12:19 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;20483 wrote:
Separation of Church and state is the ideal in a multy cultural country.

Any who can do this should not have any trouble being good citizens.

Regards
DL


It's funny you should say that, because the Liberals or fiberals as we call them spout the same ethos. They want religion out of politics, well Christianity out of politics but they crawl into bed with radical Islam. They lost the battle with the rest of society so they want mass immigration so they can have a new hoard of voters who fall for socialism and appeasement and distruction of culture. Multiculture is the left's or the socialists mantra, it doesn't exist because it kills the host country's culture and panders to minority groups. It's what is wrong with democratic countries, kill this cancer before it's to late. Socialism is pure evilllllllllllllllll.
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 12:27 pm
@Red cv,
Red;20511 wrote:
It's funny you should say that, because the Liberals or fiberals as we call them spout the same ethos. They want religion out of politics, well Christianity out of politics but they crawl into bed with radical Islam. They lost the battle with the rest of society so they want mass immigration so they can have a new hoard of voters who fall for socialism and appeasement and distruction of culture. Multiculture is the left's or the socialists mantra, it doesn't exist because it kills the host country's culture and panders to minority groups. It's what is wrong with democratic countries, kill this cancer before it's to late. Socialism is pure evilllllllllllllllll.


nonsense ! i am a liberal and i want religion out of politics,but i certainly dont want to crawl into bed with radical islam,religion and politics are a bad cocktail.
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 12:27 pm
@Red cv,
Red;20511 wrote:
It's funny you should say that, because the Liberals or fiberals as we call them spout the same ethos. They want religion out of politics, well Christianity out of politics but they crawl into bed with radical Islam. They lost the battle with the rest of society so they want mass immigration so they can have a new hoard of voters who fall for socialism and appeasement and distruction of culture. Multiculture is the left's or the socialists mantra, it doesn't exist because it kills the host country's culture and panders to minority groups. It's what is wrong with democratic countries, kill this cancer before it's to late. Socialism is pure evilllllllllllllllll.


The whole world is browning and you want a small white corner somewhere. Good luck. Cultures do not die, they evolve.

Would you live somewhere without political representation?

Regards
DL
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 12:58 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;20481 wrote:
Muslim is not a race, a race cannot be violent by nature, and idealogy can.


I never said muslim is a race, but then, there aren't a whole lot of white muslims now are there?
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 01:22 pm
@socalgolfguy,
I think moderate muslims can make good Americans. However how do we define moderate? I think if they can accept that their religion is not better than anyone elses or non religion but equal and accept woman being the head of the household and their bosses and even president I think they can assimilate. Unfortunalty some extremist Christians in this country are very poor americans. Thinking woman should submit to the man, stay at home to raise the children and not be CEO of a major corperation and somehow think Christianity is better than other religions of the world other known as supremisists.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 07:29 pm
@socalgolfguy,
And then there's you, who apparently thinks we should force stay at home moms to run companies?

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I never said muslim is a race, but then, there aren't a whole lot of white muslims now are there?


There are a whole lot of non-Arab Muslims, if that's what you're getting at, in fact, the majority are not Arab.
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 06:01 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;20645 wrote:
And then there's you, who apparently thinks we should force stay at home moms to run companies?



There are a whole lot of non-Arab Muslims, if that's what you're getting at, in fact, the majority are not Arab.


When we have 37,000 labels for people it is difficult to see the person behind the label.

Regards
DL
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 09:26 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;20645 wrote:
And then there's you, who apparently thinks we should force stay at home moms to run companies?



There are a whole lot of non-Arab Muslims, if that's what you're getting at, in fact, the majority are not Arab.



Never said force. I do not care if a woman wants to stay home and raise the kids. I see no point in it because if the man is making all the money they get all the power and the financial decision.
It is when they are brainwashed to believe it is their duty to stay at home and raise the kids I have a problem with. That this somehow makes them a good wife.
Garbage.
A good wife provides fore her family and gained indepedents and has say how the family finances are spent. Men taking this away from women is a control tactic nothing more. Same as putting it womens head that they should obey their husbands.
bleck...garbage. Thank the gods I grew up in a family of dominate women.
I would be ashamed to grow up with a mother subservaiant to a man.:wtf:
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 01:39 pm
@socalgolfguy,
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Thank the gods I grew up in a family of dominate women.
I would be ashamed to grow up with a mother subservaiant to a man.
That explains your point of view. Does not make it right though. You succumb to women, to Muslims, to pretty much anything you feel threatened by?
STNGfan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 02:30 pm
@socalgolfguy,
umm I am female thank you. Not male. I never said I would bow to muslims unless they threatened my life which in the U.S they would go to jail for so I would just run to the police after being let go and have them punished for it. Same with men. In my household my husband does not order me around or anything of a kind and he wouldn't dare because he knows I would divorce him and take everything he got. If he put a gun to my head yes I would do what he said until I found a way to escape and then the law would punish him.
You act like no one on this earth would do someting because they were threatened to do it and calling it succumbing. ROFLMAO
what a load of crap. I will do what ever it take to save my neck and my childrens necks out of harms way.
It seems you wimper at the site of God..and he threatens your soul with eternal hell and then you submit to him. Are you any different?..LOL except you are trying to save yourself from a fate not even proven to exist.
Good luck dying for your faith and then finding out there is nothing and you just wasted your only one single life.
ROFLMAO
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 02:31 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;20773 wrote:
That explains your point of view. Does not make it right though. You succumb to women, to Muslims, to pretty much anything you feel threatened by?


You call it succumbing, most other people call it respecting your fellow man. To bad your machismo gets in the way of you being human. I dare you to go tell your wife her place is in the kitchen. Of course you won't because it seems she is actually the bread winner in your family.
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 02:34 pm
@socalgolfguy,
This kind of attitude is exactly what breeds the taliban and Al Queda. to die for your faith and religion. Did you know that 14 percent of American Muslims which there are many millions here feel that it is quite acceptable to blow yourself up with others in the name of Islam.
Extremist and Supremist of any religious order is why humans cannot be intrusted with such things as religions. It is like giving a drunken monkey a loaded gun.
STNGfan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 02:34 pm
@socalgolfguy,
This kind of attitude is exactly what breeds the taliban and Al Queda. to die for your faith and religion. Did you know that 14 percent of American Muslims which there are many millions here feel that it is quite acceptable to blow yourself up with others in the name of Islam.
Extremist and Supremist of any religious order is why humans cannot be intrusted with such things as religions. It is like giving a drunken monkey a loaded gun.
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 02:50 pm
@STNGfan,
STNGfan;20788 wrote:
This kind of attitude is exactly what breeds the taliban and Al Queda. to die for your faith and religion. Did you know that 14 percent of American Muslims which there are many millions here feel that it is quite acceptable to blow yourself up with others in the name of Islam.
Extremist and Supremist of any religious order is why humans cannot be intrusted with such things as religions. It is like giving a drunken monkey a loaded gun.


I have no problem with killing oneself for God. I would kill my own for Him but you can bet that I would be sure He was God.

What I cannot understand is why they think that they are being told to do this by God. It is men that direct and supply these innocents who are being mislead.

God is not a sneaky killer. If He wants someone dead then they are.

They like Christians extremist are sometimes embarrassing.

Regards
DL
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 03:13 pm
@socalgolfguy,
I would not kill anyone if God told me to even if it were God and God threatened to burn my soul forever or kill my soul or whatever.

I will not kill an innocent being to prove my loyalty to anyone or anything.

I am more than willing to sacrifices my soul for the life of an innocent.
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 03:14 pm
@socalgolfguy,
If God can see into my heart there would no need for a test.
 

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