Can Muslims be good Americans?

By the way Red, may be u dont know, but your country is high on the list of coutries muslim youth consider to be a place without discrimination and great chances of a better life (in my country atleast) , specially after whats been happening in the US after the 911 attacks, already a couple of my friends r over there, not sure which state though.

I received the following email today - curious what everyone thinks.

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except
Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Kor an).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Mohammed, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.


The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.


The war is bigger than we know or understand

You shouldn't carry that burden, do you feel the same when you see a jew wearing a yamika?

You should feel angry about foot basins, and islamic prayer in school, even not being religious this is just unjust, and unconsitutional. I don't believe there should be organized prayer in public schools, even for christians, I couldn't care less if their religion requires x amount of prayer at certain times of day, adjust like everyone else, you are in America now, not the middle east.

No one can adhere to the Bible or the Koran and still be a good American. Muslims and Christians are FORCED to to good Americans due to the secular and civilizing nature of ths great country.
- America does not allow you to impose your religious beliefset on others. This is decidedly anti Christian and anti-Islam both of which require that the religion be preached and people converted.

- Amercia does not allow the State to impose any religious belief-set on its citizens. This is decidedly anti-Islamic and anti-christian both of which require a theocracy.

So, the reasons so many christians and muslims leave peacefully in this country is because of the laws imposed by the Jeffersonian Republic requiring even bigots to behave responsibly in public.

This is a great , great country for many reasons but this one single requirement to keep the church seperate from the state is its best feature.

We may pick on the Muslims but every time a christian insists o putting the ten commandments up in a public place, he is behaving no better tha a muslim insisting on the Sharia law in America.

There is little difference between the monotheists of both hue. America keeps them in place but is constantly under challenge from nutjobs on both sides. It is the duty of every true American to put the Constitution above any religious book, literature or requirement. Else we could easily become a chrisitian version of today's Iran.

NO ONE CAN CAN ADHERE TO THE BIBLE AND STILL BE A GOOD AMERICAN?

Mr. Bing I would suggest you try studying American history before you make statements like that.

The Bible has always been embedded throughtout our culture, from classrooms to congressional halls. This was especially the case in the origins of our nation.

A study by the American Political Science Review on the political documents of the founding era, which was from 1760-1805, discovered that 94 percent of the period's documents were based on the Bible, with 34 percent of the contents being direct citations from the Bible. The Scripture was the bedrock and blueprint of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, academic arenas and heritage until the last quarter of a century.

Citing a few of our Founding Fathers.

"The Bible is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed." Patrick Henry

"It is impossible to enslave mentally or socially a Bible reading people. The principles of the Bible are the groundwork of human freedom." Horace Greeley

"I have always said, and will always say, that studious perusal of the sacred volume will make us better citizens." This was said by Washington D.C. first president to the public school board, Thomas Jefferson. Men like Jefferson believed in biblical education, and he believed this for the public school system.

Now please donot come here and try to rewrite history, because America was filled with Christians, and one of the very first Books that was studied in our public school system was the Bible.

This is very important Mr.Campbell. Lets re-visit our nation's early years.

No one is saying the founding fathers were not christians. Of course they were. But they choose not to impose Christianity on the State. That is my point.

Lets start with Patrick Henry.Re. Washington, he was so pissed off at the Church of England that he'd regularly refuse to take Communion. Byt more importantly, he never ever encouraged Church influence over the State.


Now on to JeferrsonWith this blade, he excised every verse dealing with virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, and other puerile superstition, thus leaving him (and us) with a very much shorter book. In 1904 the Jefferson Bible was printed by order of Congress, and for many years was presented to all newly elected members of that body. We need to revive that tradition.

Please feel free to challenge the above Mr.Campbell. With facts.

And by the way, here's a version of the Bible you especially need to read: The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth (2006) Dover Publications paperback: ISBN 0-486-44921-1

"Patric Henry and other devout christians attempted to substitute the words "Jesus Christ" for "Amighty God" In this opening passage and were OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED DOWN."

And I think that tells the whole story right there. For the Americans that OVERWHELMINGLY voted down their attempt to change those words, obviously they were all Christian Americans who knew the value of the name Jesus Christ. Only in the later years has our nation rejected God and the Bible. We have replaced the Bible with metal detectors, abortion, and now instruct our boys how to put condems on. And now we are passing out birth control pills to middle school children. We have paid a heavy price, and we have raised a generation without morals and without God. So much for your secular society.

So, the reasons so many christians and muslims leave peacefully in this country is because of the laws imposed by the Jeffersonian Republic requiring even bigots to behave responsibly in public.

This is a great , great country for many reasons but this one single requirement to keep the church seperate from the state is its best feature.

So how do you explain other non Middle Eastern democratic countries, which do not have a separation of Church and state written into their constitution, where other religions coexist without them going at each other?

So how do you explain other non Middle Eastern democratic countries, which do not have a separation of Church and state written into their constitution, where other religions coexist without them going at each other?

The massive immigration of non-Christians into America is yet another cause of our decline. Our stubborn insistence that America's first commitment is to Enlightenment idealism, as preserved and practiced in our Constitution, instead of Christian culture, which has held the country together more than anything else over the last 231 years, looks good in theory, but is fatal in practice. Consider the steady and ever-increasing flow of Chinese into the U.S. China is an uncivilized nation that places no value on human life. We are importing foreigners who will eventually overtake and destroy our country. Our ignorance and naivete are suicidal.

Jews did not fly planes into the world trade centers, Islamics did. And it is Islamics that are killing Christians all over the world.

No, radical fundamentalist did, not just muslims. According to your statement christians burned crosses and lynched black people back in the day too.

It is important to understand there is little to choose between Christians and Muslims. They are both monotheists with the same mind set. To prove this, I take you to Mr.Campbell's threads with claims of Muslims dreaming of jesus and converting en masse to Christianity. At the other corner is the Sword of God whose threads claim that western women are converting in droves over to Islam.

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To prove this, I take you to Mr.Campbell's threads with claims of Muslims dreaming of jesus and converting en masse to Christianity. At the other corner is the Sword of God whose threads claim that western women are converting in droves over to Islam.

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