Can Muslims be good Americans?

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I received the following email today - curious what everyone thinks.

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except
Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Kor an).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Mohammed, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The war is bigger than we know or understand

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@socalgolfguy,

certainly they can, they just need to evolve their religion

Jesus was critical of people for not stoning their children
In Corinthians the apostle permits slavery
" " " women are told they can't speak in church

but Christians make fine Americans, the trick is in the interpritation

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@socalgolfguy,

socalgolfguy;19773 wrote:

I received the following email today - curious what everyone thinks.

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except
Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Kor an).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Mohammed, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The war is bigger than we know or understand

I say no, they can't, because they're always potential hostages of their dangerous, fundamentalist brethren. They can't stand up to them, always cave in, and therefore can't be trusted. In the end, the small percentage of fanatics amongst them will predictably take charge and start murdering people in the name of their psychopathic god. It's best for everyone if we keep them out of America.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;19777 wrote:

certainly they can, they just need to evolve their religion

Jesus was critical of people for not stoning their children
In Corinthians the apostle permits slavery
" " " women are told they can't speak in church

but Christians make fine Americans, the trick is in the interpritation

He was critical of the Pharisees for being hypocrites, Jesus was not the one who said that about women, and it was a contemporary social, not religious issue anyway. See how easy it is to explain that misconception someone may have? It takes no effort because that is how it was intended. However, with Islam:

a. Much worse in calls for violence (there are actually no calls for violence in Christianity that could be used in a modern interpretation.), subjection, rejection of Christianity and Judaism, overall barbarianism, etc.

b. It takes a hugely imaginative mind to get around these, in fact, it is impossible unless most Islamic leaders have a change of heart (and a death wish, seeing what Muslim mobs can do if their long-held beliefs are assaulted). There is no free interpretation that could stop this, and if their was, Muslims would surely interpret the very explicit and non-ambiguous verses the same way as they do now.

My opinion is no, unless (and this is the only thing stopping us from being overrun) they cannot actually understand the Koran because it must be written in Arabic, a language which the majority of Muslims do not know.

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@socalgolfguy,

I know several Muslims who are good Americans, both immigrants and natural born Americans.

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@socalgolfguy,

No they cannot

Americans stand for more than definitions of religious belief of any kind.

Muslims by the very nature of their religion which is actually a lifelong commitment to a lifestyle cannot enjoy the freedoms which have given
Americans growth and success.

A Muslim cannot be a true American and remain a good Muslim.

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@socalgolfguy,

Yes they can.

If most of you knew what your talking about you might just hurt someones feelings. Muslims are very compatible, whether a fundamentalist or not. To be a good American is to be a law abiding citizen which has nothing to do with religion. Islam encourages to do good and abide the law, whether it is a christain nation or not, its a way of life. Socalgolfguy, one day you will come to your senses and re-read what you have posted and realise how far from the truth you are, a little education never hurts. Reagaknight, you mean the minority, dont try to suit yourself.

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@Azmr,

Azmr;19832 wrote:

If most of you knew what your talking about you might just hurt someones feelings. Muslims are very compatible, whether a fundamentalist or not. To be a good American is to be a law abiding citizen which has nothing to do with religion. Islam encourages to do good and abide the law, whether it is a christain nation or not, its a way of life. Socalgolfguy, one day you will come to your senses and re-read what you have posted and realise how far from the truth you are, a little education never hurts.

Azmr, sometimes I see the things you say and think to myself "this guy is a ******* dickhead", sometimes not though. To bad most of the troglodytes here only have what the media tells them to help them apply Bushs "War on Terror" to a muslim face. I know quite a few muslims in the late 90s when I lived in Austin, they were model citizens.

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@socalgolfguy,

Sympathizing with Muslims again huh?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;19840 wrote:

Sympathizing with Muslims again huh?

Got white hoods?

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@socalgolfguy,

^ Eat a dick.

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@Azmr,

Azmr;19845 wrote:

^ Eat a dick.

No, you.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;19792 wrote:

He was critical of the Pharisees for being hypocrites, Jesus was not the one who said that about women, and it was a contemporary social, not religious issue anyway. See how easy it is to explain that misconception someone may have? It takes no effort because that is how it was intended.

more like see how easy it is to mis interprit the Bible to justify your faith (and dine buffet style from your religion), Muslims do the exact same thing when they overlook Mohammad having sex with an 8 year old.

With the stoning of children: Jesus was in a heated debate with the Pharisees after they criticized him for not washing his hands before he ate. He countered by saying "well you don't stone your children in accordance with gods law, the prophets of the Torah were right, your hypocrites and you do many things like this"

We'll get to the god sanctioning the stoning of children thing in a min but consider the scripture in Mark and Matthew independently first.

of all the "many things like this" Jesus specifically chose the stoning of children. In any heated debate with an adversary you will always pick the largest polarities to argue, and you certainly wouldn't call somebody a hypocrite for not doing something you wouldn't do either. That would say that Jesus was "the pot calling the kettle black", a serious error to make in a debate. So basically either Jesus was pro stoning children, or the perfect living god on earth was a terrible debater who lacked the intellect to see that his argument in and of itself was hypocritical.

It's really a moot point anyway because one of biggest poofs that the Bible is not the word of God is that God sanctions rape, murder, slavery, and child abuse. Hardly very God like. And before you go off on that feeble attempt to say that the old testament "doesn't count", Jesus himself saw the Torah in a very literal sense.

On Corinthians The Apostle is very clear in this Christian work that he speaks for God, delivering a Holy message that Jesus himself sent to him in a vision. He goes on to make some seriously sexist remarks and sanctions slavery in the new covenant. Either you accept that or you decanonize the New Testament, which is very much against what the Bible itself says about dis considering portions of it.

Or maybe Corinthians isn't "as canon" as the canonical gospels. Well even those four books weren't written until well after the death of Jesus (in fact the earliest known copy is of the Gospel of Mark, dated to 125 CE nearly 100 years after the crucifiction, and makes no mention of the resurrection)

no your attempts to wash away what's actually a very real part of your religion are shaky at best and seems to be more driven by your lack of education on Christianity. Or perhaps you would put away the "word of God" as found in the Bible in favor of your own "man made" covenant with God. Funny, that's exactly what Jesus was so mad about in that debate...

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@Azmr,

Azmr;19832 wrote:

Yes they can.

Socalgolfguy, one day you will come to your senses and re-read what you have posted and realise how far from the truth you are, a little education never hurts. Reagaknight, you mean the minority, dont try to suit yourself.

The purpose of this post was to stimulate discussion on both sides of the issue.

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@socalgolfguy,

that' how religion works, your attacking them if you even ask questions

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@Curmudgeon,

Curmudgeon;19807 wrote:

I know several Muslims who are good Americans, both immigrants and natural born Americans.

But, what would they do in the case of a couple fanatical cousins who came over and started preaching jihadist hatred toward Americans? Would they call the FBI, or turn a blind eye?

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@socalgolfguy,

I knew a supply troop in the AF who was an Arab Muslim American and couldn't stand Al Qaeda or radicals, we were both stationed in the UK

doesn't mean all Muslims are like that, but it's not fair to say they can't be like that either.

Judge the person, not their affiliation

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;19912 wrote:

But, what would they do in the case of a couple fanatical cousins who came over and started preaching jihadist hatred toward Americans? Would they call the FBI, or turn a blind eye?

That's just ignorance. You do realize 99% of our intel in the middle east comes from other muslims right? Our translators were all muslim, the Iraq government you want to succeed is all muslim, kind of hypocritical don't you think? According to you, we have already lost the fight, because we are impowering muslim in Iraq to rule themselves instead of smashin' 'em hard!!!.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;19913 wrote:

I knew a supply troop in the AF who was an Arab Muslim American and couldn't stand Al Qaeda or radicals, we were both stationed in the UK

doesn't mean all Muslims are like that, but it's not fair to say they can't be like that either.

Judge the person, not their affiliation

The problem concerns risk. What if the person's only suspicious act is the one by which he kills you?

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@socalgolfguy,

well we certainly can't put them all in camps

think of how we treated asians in WWII

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