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Is there any proof out there where the Liberials say the GW Bush or the Republicians started the two wars going on in the sand box(s). Why would GW be blamed for these conflicts? Not looking for a debate nor argument just the facts from you Wizzards in the know. Thank You......... Grump

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@GRUMP,

Scooby and FF have tons -- I mean TONS -- of proof. Talk to them. FF, in particular, is an expert. He lives in a log cabin, deep in the back woods of Michigan, plotting conspiracies around the clock. He knows all this gooey stuff.

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@GRUMP,

Lol!!

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;54361 wrote:

Scooby and FF have tons -- I mean TONS -- of proof. Talk to them. FF, in particular, is an expert. He lives in a log cabin, deep in the back woods of Michigan, plotting conspiracies around the clock. He knows all this gooey stuff.

Just like the US had TONS of information about WMDs in Iraq,and trying to link Saddam to Al Queda :wtf: what would you call that pino :beat:

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@scooby-doo cv,

scooby-doo;54410 wrote:

Just like the US had TONS of information about WMDs in Iraq,and trying to link Saddam to Al Qaeda :wtf: what would you call that pino :beat:

congrats on buying into the hype machine

The standard spin on GW Bush is that

1. He's an under-evolved uneducated person, who is able to be president only because his father was and it just a tier above retarded.

2. He brilliantly masterminded two global conflicts

quite the contrast, his detractors can't even figure out what kind of bad politician he is...

To believe he started both wars you would have to ignore that other countries, not named the USA, had there own intelligence on Iraq and they did. Inconvienient for the anti bush people, also happens to be fact.

You would also have to believe that Bush engineered 911 and bought off Popular Mechanics (who did a whole special report debunking conspiracy theories like loose change). Also not the case and poor science at best...

What Bush is guilty of, IMO, is taking advantage of a bad situation. The fact of the matter is while all this stuff has been going on Halliburton and Big Oil have been making ridiculous profits. Bush and Cheney happen to be ex Big Oil, and ex Halliburton, respectivly.

Sadder still, this isn't even a new idea. When LBJ recommend us to Vietnam after Kennedy's assassination Bell Helicopters made HUGE money. Who held a king share of their stocks at the time? LBJ's wife...

And Bush will get away clean, just like LBJ did. Because we're more interested in Loose Change and the Grassy Knowl then what's actually happening...

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@scooby-doo cv,

scooby-doo;54410 wrote:

Just like the US had TONS of information about WMDs in Iraq,and trying to link Saddam to Al Queda :wtf: what would you call that pino :beat:

Hurl forth your knowledge, Scoob. Unleash that madness. Very Happy

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@GRUMP,

Who Did start the war? Please answer in layman terms. You lost me . Thanks Grump

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@GRUMP,

GRUMP;54427 wrote:

Who Did start the war? Please answer in layman terms. You lost me . Thanks Grump

First off, you sound like a Rush Limbaugh clone with the constant use of the word "Liberal".

Secondly, ask yourself... why did we go to Iraq? Afghanistan rightly got an ass whoopin... Iraq, not so much. The Neocons (I can throw em too!) would have you believe one of about twenty things, all depending on when you ask. The funny thing is none of them really have to do with what happened one September morning.

But they'd LOVE you to think that.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;54411 wrote:

congrats on buying into the hype machine

The standard spin on GW Bush is that

1. He's an under-evolved uneducated person, who is able to be president only because his father was and it just a tier above retarded.

2. He brilliantly masterminded two global conflicts

quite the contrast, his detractors can't even figure out what kind of bad politician he is...

To believe he started both wars you would have to ignore that other countries, not named the USA, had there own intelligence on Iraq and they did. Inconvienient for the anti bush people, also happens to be fact.

You would also have to believe that Bush engineered 911 and bought off Popular Mechanics (who did a whole special report debunking conspiracy theories like loose change). Also not the case and poor science at best...

What Bush is guilty of, IMO, is taking advantage of a bad situation. The fact of the matter is while all this stuff has been going on Halliburton and Big Oil have been making ridiculous profits. Bush and Cheney happen to be ex Big Oil, and ex Halliburton, respectivly.

Sadder still, this isn't even a new idea. When LBJ recommend us to Vietnam after Kennedy's assassination Bell Helicopters made HUGE money. Who held a king share of their stocks at the time? LBJ's wife...

And Bush will get away clean, just like LBJ did. Because we're more interested in Loose Change and the Grassy Knowl then what's actually happening...

1. Lets get the facts right here,there is no way on earth Bush would have become President if it was not for his father and powerful friends.

2. i dont think Bush himself,has the brains to matermind two global conflicts,the people around him certainly do.

What the Bush government did,was try to link 9/11 and AlQueda to Saddam and the war on terror,what was the real reason they ent to war in Iraq,Saddam was not a threat,he had no intentions of attacking the US or invading Kuwait again,the no-fly zones in the north & south of the country kept him firmly in check.

Country's and people around the world had great sympathy for the US after 9/11,they should have concentrated on fighting Al queda and Afghanistan and not getting 150,00 troops bogged down in Iraq which was no threat and had nothing to do with 9/11,Al Queda wasn;t even in Iraq prior to this US invasion.

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@GRUMP,

GRUMP;54427 wrote:

Who Did start the war? Please answer in layman terms. You lost me . Thanks Grump

What war are you talking about exactly,the war against AQ in Afghanistan or Iraq.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;54412 wrote:

Hurl forth your knowledge, Scoob. Unleash that madness.

Pino,im am fortunate enough thanks to satellite TV,to get news from different country's,not the news from a purely amercan perspective,i happened to watch an excellent documentary the other night about the coverage of the war in Iraq by american news stations,and how it differed from other country's more impartial points of view.

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@scooby-doo cv,

scooby-doo;54431 wrote:

What war are you talking about exactly,the war against AQ in Afghanistan or Iraq.

SCOOBY DOO! Read the very first thead entry the answer is there to your question. I aasked this question in hopes to find out who did what to who to instigate the Afgan and the Iraq conflict( wars). Mom always said if you want the right answer to a question then ask a bright Audience. Thats you scooby doo. Now answer the questions. As I said not looking for an argument nor a dissagrement just the facts as they are or may be known. Thanks Grump

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@GRUMP,

GRUMP;54434 wrote:

SCOOBY DOO! Read the very first thead entry the answer is there to your question. I aasked this question in hopes to find out who did what to who to instigate the Afgan and the Iraq conflict( wars). Mom always said if you want the right answer to a question then ask a bright Audience. Thats you scooby doo. Now answer the questions. As I said not looking for an argument nor a dissagrement just the facts as they are or may be known. Thanks Grump

You must have your own thoughts own the matter,show your hand !

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@GRUMP,

I asked first . Grump

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@GRUMP,

GRUMP;54437 wrote:

I asked first . Grump

Well im sure you have looked through many threads on the forum,you must know my point of view by know.

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@GRUMP,

really can not tell if you are left right or in the middle. I have no angle on who did what to get these Afgan or Iraq issues started just intrested and would appreciate a solid answer. Guess I picked the wrong site to ask. Thank You Scooby Doo. Hang in there. However; there may be one that will answer my question eventually. I for one am not actually politically motivated at this time and moment. Just fishing for some answers

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@GRUMP,

GRUMP;54443 wrote:

really can not tell if you are left right or in the middle. I have no angle on who did what to get these Afgan or Iraq issues started just intrested and would appreciate a solid answer. Guess I picked the wrong site to ask. Thank You Scooby Doo. Hang in there. However; there may be one that will answer my question eventually. I for one am not actually politically motivated at this time and moment. Just fishing for some answers

Just read a few of yout posts,i think i know your political angle !

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@GRUMP,

And we know yours.

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@GRUMP,

GRUMP;54427 wrote:

Who Did start the war? Please answer in layman terms. You lost me . Thanks Grump

Osama Bin Laden.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;54473 wrote:

Osama Bin Laden.

In Iraq? :wtf:

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