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Popular Mechanics debunks Loose Change

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 05:25 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45684 wrote:
Augusto Pinochet is alleged to have caused the kidnapping, death or "disappearance" of more than 3,000 political opponents after he rose to power in Chile in a 1973 coup. A career military man, he overthrew a democratically elected socialist president, Salvador Allende, only months after Allende had named him commander-in-chief. Pinochet is then said to have ruthlessly eliminated remaining Allende supporters, in some cases by giving orders to a squad of assassins known as the "Caravan of Death." Pinochet appointed himself President in 1974....

is this your hero?


More lies. He overthrew the COMMUNIST Allende, and erased the underground army of leftist agitators that supported him from history. He was a hero. Down with Marxism.:rocketwhore:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 05:44 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45759 wrote:
More lies. He overthrew the (democraticly elected) COMMUNIST Allende, and erased the underground army of leftist agitators that supported him from history. He was a hero. Down with Marxism.:rocketwhore:


believe whatever you want...
markx15
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 02:53 pm
@Silverchild79,
Quote:
He overthrew the COMMUNIST Allende, and erased the underground army of leftist agitators that supported him from history.


He overthrew a democratically elected government and proceeded in killing any opposition. He is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao in smaller proportions, the only difference is his particular reason for doing all of this. Do you believe his ideology compensates his actions?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 03:13 pm
@markx15,
markx15;45872 wrote:
He overthrew a democratically elected government and proceeded in killing any opposition. He is the equivalent of Stalin or Mao in smaller proportions, the only difference is his particular reason for doing all of this. Do you believe his ideology compensates his actions?


There has never been a popularly elected Communist regime. They don't exist, never have, and never will. Your supposed knowledge of their existence was given to you by their propaganda machines. Lies, lies and more lies. Who in his right mind would vote for repressive Communist regimes??????? Please gimme a break. That's the same as voting to have your head cracked open via bamboo-stick beatings. Besides, Chile is a devoutly Catholic country. It has a natural hatred of Communism. There were no popular elections, just massive lies. Nixon and Pinochet countered the lies with truth, and cold steel.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 03:14 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45770 wrote:
believe whatever you want...


I only believe the truth. What I want has nothing to do with it. Try the truth, sometime.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 07:24 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45880 wrote:
There has never been a popularly elected Communist regime.


Obvioulsy Russia! you don't know anything about history do you????
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 07:26 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45881 wrote:
I only believe the truth. What I want has nothing to do with it. Try the truth, sometime.


you think you know the truth, we all do! as was stated by Homer "No one purposely errs..."
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markx15
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 01:42 am
@Silverchild79,
Quote:
There has never been a popularly elected Communist regime. They don't exist, never have, and never will. Your supposed knowledge of their existence was given to you by their propaganda machines. Lies, lies and more lies. Who in his right mind would vote for repressive Communist regimes??????? Please gimme a break. That's the same as voting to have your head cracked open via bamboo-stick beatings. Besides, Chile is a devoutly Catholic country. It has a natural hatred of Communism. There were no popular elections, just massive lies. Nixon and Pinochet countered the lies with truth, and cold steel.


We are not ready for an end justifies the means ideology. People enjoy living their lives in freedom, they do not appreciate when someone takes away their right to pursue their own happiness, that is what I personally believe to have been one of the greatest observations considering human behaviour, it is the foundation for the American constitution, which I thought you supported, and Pinochet the dictator did not follow the American example(which could be a farce, but that is a different argument), and did the same as what you claim his communist counterpart would have done. The point is even if what you say is true, what Pinochet did is according christian, buddhist, muslim, and many more moral codes something extremely wrong, murder, corruption, torture, all done by his demand. Are you not christian, thou shalt not kill, or steal, these are good instructions, they allow harmonic social interaction, don't let go of them.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 01:13 pm
@Silverchild79,
I just watched a news clip in which I thought I heard Barak Obama say OBL is not responsible for 911. I was shocked, but couldn't clarify what I thought I heard him say. The clip ended and was not repeated. If he believes that, I am 100% against his emergence as any sort of national political leader.
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klyph
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 01:37 pm
@Silverchild79,
How can you know unequivocally, that OBL was responsible?
Did he tell you himself? Would you understand him if he told you himself?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 03:00 pm
@markx15,
markx15;45962 wrote:
We are not ready for an end justifies the means ideology. People enjoy living their lives in freedom, they do not appreciate when someone takes away their right to pursue their own happiness, that is what I personally believe to have been one of the greatest observations considering human behaviour, it is the foundation for the American constitution, which I thought you supported, and Pinochet the dictator did not follow the American example(which could be a farce, but that is a different argument), and did the same as what you claim his communist counterpart would have done. The point is even if what you say is true, what Pinochet did is according christian, buddhist, muslim, and many more moral codes something extremely wrong, murder, corruption, torture, all done by his demand. Are you not christian, thou shalt not kill, or steal, these are good instructions, they allow harmonic social interaction, don't let go of them.


Nonsense. Communism is a curse. It had to be destroyed. What's left of it on Planet Earth begs to be destroyed. Relativism kills, my friend. Dump it in the Amazon.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 06:24 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46012 wrote:
Nonsense. Communism is a curse. It had to be destroyed. What's left of it on Planet Earth begs to be destroyed. Relativism kills, my friend. Dump it in the Amazon.


your irrationality does not surprise me!

the whole "The ______ people do not deserve to live" mentality, is the cause for more atrocities and bloodshed and hate and torture and destruction than i can count....

"know the past and you can change the future!"
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 04:26 pm
@klyph,
klyph;45999 wrote:
How can you know unequivocally, that OBL was responsible?
Did he tell you himself? Would you understand him if he told you himself?


So, you don't think he did it, eh? More conspiracist tripe.:thumbdown:
klyph
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 05:14 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46214 wrote:
So, you don't think he did it, eh? More conspiracist tripe.:thumbdown:


I can't know for sure whether or not he did it. I wasn't there, I've never spoken directly to him. The only info I have is from liberal media sources and declassifed "government intelligence" (oxymoron?). I take it with a grain of salt and leave my opinions open to other options.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 08:33 pm
@Silverchild79,
Now even Barak Obama is whispering this nonsense. Look....I worked in Government for 20 years (military). Lemme tell ya -- the Gov't couldn't pull off anything like 911 without a zillion people spilling their guts about it. Impossible.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 08:35 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46059 wrote:
your irrationality does not surprise me!

the whole "The ______ people do not deserve to live" mentality, is the cause for more atrocities and bloodshed and hate and torture and destruction than i can count....

"know the past and you can change the future!"


Communism is evil. You'd be one of the first they'd step on, too. You'd start complaining with the first 'socialist sacrifice', and get your buns kicked, hard, by the Secret Police.:banana:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 09:30 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46294 wrote:
Communism is evil. You'd be one of the first they'd step on, too. You'd start complaining with the first 'socialist sacrifice', and get your buns kicked, hard, by the Secret Police.:banana:


A democratic dictator is just as bad as a communist dictator! I have no sympathy for either, but i will not hold prejudice against a person with a certain political view!
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 01:25 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46321 wrote:
A democratic dictator is just as bad as a communist dictator! I have no sympathy for either, but i will not hold prejudice against a person with a certain political view!


There are good dictators. History is chuckful of them. Some countries can't handle freedom, and need an authoritarian leader to guide them. One thing all people want, however, is property. Everybody, no matter how poor, wants to own his own chit. That's our basic nature. Hit it.:hititsmiley:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 03:11 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46393 wrote:
There are good dictators. History is chuckful of them. Some countries can't handle freedom, and need an authoritarian leader to guide them. One thing all people want, however, is property. Everybody, no matter how poor, wants to own his own chit. That's our basic nature. Hit it.:hititsmiley:


ALL DICTATORS ARE BAD!

why? because anyone with that much power if they are not already corrupt they will soon be corrupt.

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!"
-Lord Acton
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 04:32 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46408 wrote:
ALL DICTATORS ARE BAD!

why? because anyone with that much power if they are not already corrupt they will soon be corrupt.

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!"
-Lord Acton


"Some people can't handle freedom. They must be controlled for their own good."
-- Son of Franco, AKA: Pinochet's Prodigy
 

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