Surge Works, Dem's scramble to find ground to stand on

We just need to go ahead and do the inevitable and install another "US friendly" dictator. It's all they understand, and it will give us something to do in 12 years when we elect another republican after Hitlery destroys whats let of America.

Hmmm, could it be that the current government of Al-Maliki, whom we set up, is precisely the puppet government they resent...Maybe we ought not be in the business of dictating who is acceptable to us, and let them figure it out for themselves. Maybe, that's the problem...our meddling in other folks' affairs.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in my post.

Iraq needs a dictator. Three rival factions that want to fight and kill one another. This usually bodes well for democracy (no sarcasm), except in this case they actually DO kill each other. Saddam Hussein was an ***, but at least he kept the people in line. If we can't leave, I support Brownback's idea of making 3 seperate states. That, or put an Iraqi general in charge of the country and bail.

There's no 'bailing'. Think about it. Iraq isn't Vietnam. It sits on the world's second largest oil reserves. It occupies the epi-center of the Persian Gulf region. It shares a border with Syria, which runs Hezbollah, which sits on northern Israel, launching rockets against it while issuing Nazi salutes. Iraq also shares a border with the maniacally rogue nation, Iran. An Iraq under AQ control would foretell global doom. No way. We're there.....possibly for good. Every time you turn up your air-conditioning, or start your car, think of Iraq.

There's no 'bailing'. Think about it. Iraq isn't Vietnam. It sits on the world's second largest oil reserves. It occupies the epi-center of the Persian Gulf region. It shares a border with Syria, which runs Hezbollah, which sits on northern Israel, launching rockets against it while issuing Nazi salutes. Iraq also shares a border with the maniacally rogue nation, Iran. An Iraq under AQ control would foretell global doom. No way. We're there.....possibly for good. Every time you turn up your air-conditioning, or start your car, think of Iraq.

There's no 'bailing'. Think about it. Iraq isn't Vietnam. It sits on the world's second largest oil reserves. It occupies the epi-center of the Persian Gulf region. It shares a border with Syria, which runs Hezbollah, which sits on northern Israel, launching rockets against it while issuing Nazi salutes. Iraq also shares a border with the maniacally rogue nation, Iran. An Iraq under AQ control would foretell global doom. No way. We're there.....possibly for good. Every time you turn up your air-conditioning, or start your car, think of Iraq.

It's not a matter of whether the war is not real, or if it is, Victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia but to keep the very structure of society intact

Are we not still in Germany and Japan. Forever isn't so far away.

If they don['t hate us for this they will find other reasons. Remember they are unreasonable people.
Are you an isolationist like Ronny?

Hmmm, could it be that the current government of Al-Maliki, whom we set up, is precisely the puppet government they resent...Maybe we ought not be in the business of dictating who is acceptable to us, and let them figure it out for themselves. Maybe, that's the problem...our meddling in other folks' affairs.

There's no solution to that particular problem. Any and all governments we sponsor during The Occupation, will be despised and dismissed as US puppets. We shouldn't worry about that, either, but instead accept it as part of the price to be paid for the invasion of and WOT in Iraq. It comes with the turf.

There's no solution to that particular problem. Any and all governments we sponsor during The Occupation, will be despised and dismissed as US puppets. We shouldn't worry about that, either, but instead accept it as part of the price to be paid for the invasion of and WOT in Iraq. It comes with the turf.

Our need for oil (vs. our resistance and reluctance to seek alternative fuel sources) justifies our imperial designs on Iraq? Why stop there? Why not the entire region? Why not Africa (especially Nigeria)...where does it end?
In case you hadn't noticed, the lust for oil is obscene...and air conditioning has nothing to do with oil....it has to do with freon and electricity.

So your solution is to stay there indefinitely. This makes the muslims want to attack Americans less....how?

Further, how do you think we should PAY for this occupation?

1. Yes.

2. No, but that's life. Life is war.

3. Take their oil.