Prophet "Muhammad" (PBUH) in the Bible

@z0z0,

Sword,

I did not ask what is in the Quran - I asked about the process in which the book was written and by who. What I want to know is who put the pen to the paper? Was it God? Was it Muhammad or some of his buddies? Did God take control of Muhammad's body and then use Muhammad's fingers to write or did God whisper in Muhammad's ear and Muhammad transcribe.

Why did it take 23 years? Sounds like an awfully long time.

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@SWORD of GOD,

[Quran 69: 40-47]

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@z0z0,

z0z0;14050 wrote:

Sword,

I did not ask what is in the Quran - I asked about the process in which the book was written and by who. What I want to know is who put the pen to the paper? Was it God? Was it Muhammad or some of his buddies? Did God take control of Muhammad's body and then use Muhammad's fingers to write or did God whisper in Muhammad's ear and Muhammad transcribe.

Why did it take 23 years? Sounds like an awfully long time.

The answer was there if you just try to read:

Memorized by Millions - Entirely: How it has been revealed & preserved

The important thing to keep in mind about the Quran is the memorization and transmission of the actual "Rectiation" just as it came to Muhammad, peace be upon him, from Allah through the Angel Gabriel who recited the verses to the prophet and the prophet memorized them exactly as delivered by angel Gabriel and this is mentioned in Quran:

"Move not your tongue concerning (the Qur'an, O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) to make haste therewith. It is for Us (Allah) to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) the ability to recite it (the Qur'an). And when We have recited it to you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him) through Jibril (Gabriel)) then follow its (the Qur'an's) recital." [Quran 75: 16-18].

The prophet then recited the verses to his companions who memorized them and then wrote them. The Quran was learned and memorized by the companions and they in turn, passed it down to their followers and continued in this way until we see today, over 10,000,000 (ten million) Muslims who have committed the entire Quran to memory. This is not a small feat. After all, how many other works of literary value have been memorized and passed down through so many generations, in the original language, without a single change in even one sentence?

Millions of Muslims memorize the whole Quran by heart. The Quran verses are recited by every muslim by heart every prayer five times a day.

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@z0z0,

How many words in the Quran? You are saying that people memorize the whole thing word for word?

I can understand people memorizing today when there is a book to read all day and all night but in the old days how many times would you get a chance to hear the whole book and remember it word for word.

My primary question is - how can we be sure that Muhammad got all the words right when he got them from God?

How do you know that these words REALLY came from Gabriel? Are you sure that Muhammad was not BSing because he wanted to start his own religion. Noone else can verify it.

If I told you that just now God told me something - would you believe me?

God told me that Muhammad was a poser and that he is not happy with Muslims.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;14055 wrote:

The Quran was learned and memorized by the companions and they in turn, passed it down to their followers and continued in this way until we see today, over 10,000,000 (ten million) Muslims who have committed the entire Quran to memory. This is not a small feat. After all, how many other works of literary value have been memorized and passed down through so many generations, in the original language, without a single change in even one sentence?

Millions of Muslims memorize the whole Quran by heart. The Quran verses are recited by every muslim by heart every prayer five times a day.

No wonder Islam is so economically backwards. 10M people spending their lives reciting the Quran rather than getting an education and doing something useful with their lives.

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@markx15,

markx15;13867 wrote:

It was a Muhammed's followers if I am not mistaken, he would recite what the Angel Gabriel told him "on the spot", and they would register it.

So there are four partys now? God, Gabriel, Muhammid, and the scribe. You've got some explaining to do Sword? You follower of man made faith you?

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@z0z0,

z0z0;14060 wrote:

No wonder Islam is so economically backwards. 10M people spending their lives reciting the Quran rather than getting an education and doing something useful with their lives.

I am sorry to know that you are not only ignorant but also arrogant. You reject the proofs, truth, evidence no matter what, out of blind hate and because they do not satisfy your personal twisted desires. I feel sorry for you. It seems that TRUTH hurts your heart very badly!

This will be my last reply to your allegations as I found you shallow thinking person.

How Did the Spread of Islam
Affect the Development of Science?

Islam instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years of the spread of Islam, great civilizations and universities were flourishing. The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas, and of new thought with old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.

Many crucial systems, such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and the concept of zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics), were transmitted to medieval Europe from the Muslim world. Sophisticated instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery, such as the astrolabe, the quadrant, and good navigational maps, were also developed by Muslims.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;14173 wrote:

I am sorry to know that you are not only ignorant but also arrogant. You reject the proofs, truth, evidence no matter what, out of blind hate and because they do not satisfy your personal twisted desires. I feel sorry for you. It seems that TRUTH hurts your heart very badly!

How Did the Spread of Islam
Affect the Development of Science?

Many crucial systems, such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and the concept of zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics), were transmitted to medieval Europe from the Muslim world. Sophisticated instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery, such as the astrolabe, the quadrant, and good navigational maps, were also developed by Muslims.

How many of your "advancements" did you steal from the Chinese?

I agree that in the OLD DAYS - like 700 - 1300 AD the Arabic/Muslim civilizations were more advanced than the Western / Christian societies.

Today I feel that Arabic/Islamic societies are living in their own Dark Ages.

My comment about 10 million people memorizing the Quran is basedon the following logic. It takes a lot of time and energy to memorize the Quran. The time taken to memorize the Quran could be better spend on learning Calculus or Physics or maybe even Computer Programming.

Don't you find it strange that with 1 billion Muslims around the world you still have not figured out how to build an atomic bomb? Even the North Koreans figured it out. Where are Islamic economies? Not a single one that stands out for anything other than oil. Where are the Arabic dot-coms?

Noone HATES you. It is that we are AFRAID of you.
We feel sorry for you that you are living in the Dark Ages.

But mainly - WE ARE AFRAID OF YOU.

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@SWORD of GOD,

And others were minor advancements with Greek ideas.

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@markx15,

markx15;13233 wrote:

If I am not mistaken there are only about a dozen or so passages in the Q'uran calling for terror and death, the rest is pretty coherent with the teachings of christian prophets.

Exactly. Muhammed was a successive prophet relaying the same information to a more advanced people at the time. Most of what you hear about Islam is Western/Jewish propaganda. Apparantly it is working with the amount of misinformation being spewed in this thread. Most of the terror and death statements in the Q'uran were put there during the time of the crusades by the ruling elite to motivate there soldiers.

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@z0z0,

Muhammad ruled by the sword and spread the religion by the sword.
Those quotes are still in the Quran and are STILL being used.

Look at what Muslims are doing today.
That is all you need

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@SWORD of GOD,

And up til then, Islam spread peacefully, right?

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@z0z0,

There was no Islam before Muhammad.
Muhammad created Islam and spread it by the sword.

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@z0z0,

Wait a minute , I Understand- either you or someone else has stated that the Quran was memorized and passed down unchanged through the centuries - now you say :

Quote:

Most of the terror and death statements in the Q'uran were put there during the time of the crusades by the ruling elite to motivate there soldiers.

Justify that , please ?

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@I Understand,

I Understand;14298 wrote:

Most of the terror and death statements in the Q'uran were put there during the time of the crusades by the ruling elite to motivate there soldiers.

I thought the Quran was the word of God. Now we are being told that men put those quotes into the Quran. So now the Quran is infected with men's words.

What "I Understand" has just told us is that the Quran is NOT a pure book.

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@SWORD of GOD,

Before, I was wondering how someone who got a brain believes so easily without evidences in the man-made ancient myths (like Trinity, original sin etc..) introduced into the origianl message of Prophet Issa (Jesus) peace be upon him. Also, I was wondering how you follow a book (Bible) that's full of clear errors and contradictions and in spite of that, you believe in its "Divine" nature!
But after reading how easily someone come from no where in the net and say a silly LIE about a well-documented religion 'Islam' (like the one named 'I Understand') and you shallow thinking guys just jump with joy in his LIEs wagon (out of desires), then I discovered why you're misguided and easily deceived by your Church/Rabbis. Because you don't bother to read or investigate by yourselves. That's really very sad.

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@z0z0,

Sword - we have stated that the Bible is written by MEN who have made mistakes but did the best they could in understanding God.

If you think the Quran is PERFECT then you are a brainwashed idiot.
You believe it is perfect just because you want to believe.

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@z0z0,

z0z0;14466 wrote:

Sword - we have stated that the Bible is written by MEN who have made mistakes but did the best they could in understanding God.

If you think the Quran is PERFECT then you are a brainwashed idiot.
You believe it is perfect just because you want to believe.

When you clean your dark heart from hate then you'd be able to see and to judge honestly. You just proved yourself as a shallow person who allow hate and misguided assumptions to lead him. Educate yourself and try to do your homework by yourself. Don't let others hijack your brain.

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@z0z0,

Sword - where have I said anything about HATE?
You are the first person to use that word.

Show me where I said anything about Hating Islam.
I have in a few places even stated that at one time Arabic/Islamic civilization was more advanced than the West.

My question to you "Is the Quran a perfect book?"
Do you believe that every word in the book is the word of God?

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@z0z0,

z0z0;14466 wrote:

Sword - we have stated that the Bible is written by MEN who have made mistakes but did the best they could in understanding God.

If you think the Quran is PERFECT then you are a brainwashed idiot.
You believe it is perfect just because you want to believe.

While i agree with most of what you've said, LOL. I would have to ask, to try and refran from calling anyone an idiot. LMAO

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