If Jesus was God ...

@SWORD of GOD,

CAmpbell34,

My point is, there is no 'AUTWI' word in the Greek original text. There is no direct point that Thomas refer his answer to Jesus alone. 'MY LORD' is for Jesus 'AND' is for the 2nd entity 'MY GOD' is for the Father.

Brother, during the time of the apostles, the only argument with regard to Jesus nature is in 1John 4.3 states 'EVERY SPIRIT W/C CONFESSES THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD AND EVERY SPIRIT W/C DOES NOT CONFESS JESUS IS NOT OF GOD'.... The argument before is 'JESUS COME IN THE FLESH OR IN SPIRIT'... That was before, but when Catholic has declared in their assembly in the early 1,000AD that Jesus is God, then the trouble and misunderstanding begins because of that declaration....

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@chico,

chico;20908 wrote:

Campbell34,

Pls refer to Mark 10:17 , the young man called Jesus 'GOOD TEACHER'. What does Jesus said? Jesus said "WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? NO ONE IS GOOD BUT GOD ALONE'. Good is for God alone, do you think Jesus will accept what Thomas said in John 20.28? Jesus will rebuke Thomas if Thomas said it directly to Him. Thomas did not directly said to Jesus 'MY Lord and my God'. Thomas was referng to 2 entity, the Father and to Jesus....

Jesus was implying that he was God.

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;21290 wrote:

Jesus was implying that he was God.

If "good", when applied to God, means the same as or better than Perfect, then I can agree.

Regards
DL

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;21039 wrote:

All Gods are not the same, and you could only make a statement like that because you just don't know. Maybe you spend time in a main line Christian church where you would of learned little about God because most of the ministers are more politically correct then Biblically correct, but the God of the Bible is different. He had men write His Words and we know these Words are true because the God of the Bible speaks of the future before the future happens. He has told us in detail what is going to happen on the earth and much of this detail we can already see happening. If man alone wrote this Book we could all be having a good laught right now, but because it was inspired by the real God, few who understand are laughing.

Like I say you believe, so good for you. You are obviously a religious person.
You say I don't know, well! your are right! but then, neither do you. You are speaking because you believe. The only evidence is for Jesus existing, there is no proof that God exists, only belief of people like you. Which is no bad thing because you find what you need from it. I have faith in human kindness. There are good people out there no matter what there beliefs are.
Heaven is on Earth, as is hell! We make it and we bake it!

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@couchp,

couchp;21465 wrote:

Like I say you believe, so good for you. You are obviously a religious person.
You say I don't know, well! your are right! but then, neither do you. You are speaking because you believe. The only evidence is for Jesus existing, there is no proof that God exists, only belief of people like you. Which is no bad thing because you find what you need from it. I have faith in human kindness. There are good people out there no matter what there beliefs are.
Heaven is on Earth, as is hell! We make it and we bake it!

Evidence of a divine can be found in the Bible.

You can have faith in human kindness, but time after time humans will let you down. There is only ONE human that will be constant--Jesus.

It is true that there are a lot of good people out in the world. But what is good?

According to God's word, good is perfection.

Also, according to the Bible one must achieve perfection to enter heaven.

This perfection is only a result of a person accepting and believing in Christ.

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@couchp,

couchp;21465 wrote:

Like I say you believe, so good for you. You are obviously a religious person.
You say I don't know, well! your are right! but then, neither do you. You are speaking because you believe. The only evidence is for Jesus existing, there is no proof that God exists, only belief of people like you. Which is no bad thing because you find what you need from it. I have faith in human kindness. There are good people out there no matter what there beliefs are.
Heaven is on Earth, as is hell! We make it and we bake it!

I'm speaking because my belief is based on more than a belief in the written Word. Jesus Christ has spoken to me over the years, He is like a brother to me. He has given me warnings and He has lifted me up, He has shown me things and He is not just a historical figure I happen to believe in. There are people who do good works out there, yet Jesus tells us our best works are but filthy rags before the throne of God. Good works are fine, but good works will never get you into heaven. For God tells us all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

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@SWORD of GOD,

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Jesus Christ has spoken to me over the years

Excuse me, may I pertain as to which form of communication you use?

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@markx15,

markx15;21639 wrote:

Excuse me, may I pertain as to which form of communication you use?

And more importantly the language and words used.
The message is everything.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;21642 wrote:

And more importantly the language and words used.
The message is everything.

Regards
DL

I usually do most of the talking, but from time to time God will speak to me. I recall one time when I was coming home from working my 4 to 12 job. I was praying and thanking God for my life when right in the middle of my prayer God spoke to me in a very still and calm voice and said, "your wife is going to have a child" it caught me by such surprise I hardly knew what to say, and I just said, "Lord, we have not even talked about having any more children," and then I kind of caught myself and said "but thankyou Lord for the child you are giving us." I got home as quick as I could and I was going to tell my wife what the Lord had told me, but I found she was already asleep. So I just recall leaning against the bedroom door and saying, "my poor wife, she is pregnant and doesent even know it. I then got into bed and went to sleep only to wake up 3 or 4 hours later to find my wife sick in the bathroom. As it turned out, she was pregnant.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;21655 wrote:

I usually do most of the talking, but from time to time God will speak to me. I recall one time when I was coming home from working my 4 to 12 job. I was praying and thanking God for my life when right in the middle of my prayer God spoke to me in a very still and calm voice and said, "your wife is going to have a child" it caught me by such surprise I hardly knew what to say, and I just said, "Lord, we have not even talked about having any more children," and then I kind of caught myself and said "but thankyou Lord for the child you are giving us." I got home as quick as I could and I was going to tell my wife what the Lord had told me, but I found she was already asleep. So I just recall leaning against the bedroom door and saying, "my poor wife, she is pregnant and doesent even know it. I then got into bed and went to sleep only to wake up 3 or 4 hours later to find my wife sick in the bathroom. As it turned out, she was pregnant.

In other words you were told a bit of useless information.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;21668 wrote:

In other words you were told a bit of useless information.

Regards
DL

That information would be only usless to a non believer who had no knowledge of God, and no real hope for an afterlife, but for me it only confirms my belief in an all knowing God who from time to time departs knowledge to His people, and much in the same way He gave information to the men who wrote the Bible. God told me about a future event than I had no knowledge of, and that is what God did for those who wrote the Bible. He gave them a glimpse of the future before it happened. Thats why Christians who actually studied the Bible knew that before Christ would return, we would first see the Jews return to the land of Israel, and we would have to see them retake Jerusalem. Unlike other religions, the Bible tells us what to watch for, and we now can see it happening before our eyes. The God of the Bible, is a God of prophecy.

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;21290 wrote:

Jesus was implying that he was God.

Jesus did not mentioned in the Bible that He is God then what is your basis in saying that Jesus was implying that he was God.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;21692 wrote:

That information would be only useless to a non believer who had no knowledge of God, and no real hope for an afterlife, but for me it only confirms my belief in an all knowing God who from time to time departs knowledge to His people, and much in the same way He gave information to the men who wrote the Bible. God told me about a future event than I had no knowledge of, and that is what God did for those who wrote the Bible. He gave them a glimpse of the future before it happened. That's why Christians who actually studied the Bible knew that before Christ would return, we would first see the Jews return to the land of Israel, and we would have to see them retake Jerusalem. Unlike other religions, the Bible tells us what to watch for, and we now can see it happening before our eyes. The God of the Bible, is a God of prophecy.

I would not call your experience prophetic because of subliminal factors but if confirmation of His existence was required for you and it was a true experience then well and good.

I too claim the one contact with the Godhead. The impression left me knowing that God is a God of inclusion. For Him to have a chosen people is to build the demographic shape of heaven in a higharchial form with many levels. This would be wrong. Heaven is the only place where a pure communism can and does exist. Two levels only on it's demographic pyramid. God on the top and all else on the bottom.
One interesting aspect to when I was "saved". I was chastised for not thinking demographically enough. This was 20 odd years ago when no one used that term much. Coincidentally today, if you check the news of the middle east and the Israeli situation, they say that the main point of conflict can be termed as problems of demographics.

Regards
DL

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@chico,

chico;21711 wrote:

Jesus did not mentioned in the Bible that He is God .

What Bible do you read?

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;21926 wrote:

What Bible do you read?

King James.....

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@chico,

chico;21929 wrote:

King James.....

Okay.

Then who is Jesus to you?

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;21935 wrote:

Okay.

Then who is Jesus to you?

Ok.... Jesus said in John 4.24 that the Father is Spirit... In John 16.28 He also said that He came from the Father... If the Father is Spirit and Jesus came from the Father then what is the nature of Jesus before? According to Phil 2.6 Jesus is in the form of God and this mean that Jesus is the Spirit of God before HE became flesh... You see in John 1.2 everything that was made was not made without Him... do you imagine Jesus in Gen 1.2 ...'THE SPIRIT OF GOD WAS MOVING OVER THE FACE OF THE WATERS'. Jesus was John 1.2 He is working LIKE A MASTERCRAFTMAN (in Proverbs 8)....

But Jesus does not claimed He is God because according to Him in John 5.26 'FOR AS THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF SO HE HAS GRANTED THE SON ALSO TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF'. Jesus was granted by God to have life by himself but before that He was with God and the 'WORD WAS GOD' without any distinction as to the Father or Son but over all God together with the Father...

Jesus said in John 17.3 'FATHER.........AND THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE THAT THEY KNOW THEE (FATHER) THE ONLY TRUE GOD'.....

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@chico,

chico;21948 wrote:

Ok.... Jesus said in John 4.24 that the Father is Spirit... In John 16.28 He also said that He came from the Father... If the Father is Spirit and Jesus came from the Father then what is the nature of Jesus before? According to Phil 2.6 Jesus is in the form of God and this mean that Jesus is the Spirit of God before HE became flesh... You see in John 1.2 everything that was made was not made without Him... do you imagine Jesus in Gen 1.2 ...'THE SPIRIT OF GOD WAS MOVING OVER THE FACE OF THE WATERS'. Jesus was John 1.2 He is working LIKE A MASTERCRAFTMAN (in Proverbs 8)....

But Jesus does not claimed He is God because according to Him in John 5.26 'FOR AS THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF SO HE HAS GRANTED THE SON ALSO TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF'. Jesus was granted by God to have life by himself but before that He was with God and the 'WORD WAS GOD' without any distinction as to the Father or Son but over all God together with the Father...

Jesus said in John 17.3 'FATHER.........AND THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE THAT THEY KNOW THEE (FATHER) THE ONLY TRUE GOD'.....

Ok Ok... but who created the world?

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;21950 wrote:

Ok Ok... but who created the world?

1John2.16 'FOR ALL THAT IS IN THE WORLD, THE LUST OF THE FLESH AND , THE LUST OF THE EYES AND THE PRIDE OF LIFE IS NOT OF THE FATHER BUT IS OF THE WORLD'...

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@chico,

chico;21711 wrote:

Jesus did not mentioned in the Bible that He is God then what is your basis in saying that Jesus was implying that he was God.

Jesus stated that He and the Father are one, many of the statements Jesus did make made the Jews want to kill him. The Jews would not of tried to do that unless they understood what Jesus was suggesting. It was obvious to the Jews of that time that Jesus was claiming to be the Great I Am. The New Testament tells us that Jesus created all things, and that includes the earth we find ourselves on. The Old Testament tells us the Father alone made all things alone and by Himself. And that is why Jesus said the Father and I are one.

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