Argue with the scripts "if you must", for that is the "only" way you can "twist" them around to your perverted point of view. You asked, I directed you to the scriptures, if you do not believe the word that is written there, it seems like a personal problem. I have specifically shown "you" where "my" faith draws its validity from....that which is written. In turn you "can not" justify your faith "without" directing your beliefs away from the the Holy Scriptures. As I said, that being the circumstances, your argument is with God, not with he that but carries the message. Deal with it. It is very simple, God is an "entity" that is made with 3 separate and distinct divine beings, the Father(God), The Word(Jesus the Son of God) and the Holy Spirit. These are the 3 that bear record in Heaven,"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; AND THESE THREE ARE "ONE". (1John5:7). Notice also that the writings in Genesis bear witness to God as being consisted of more than one being, "And God said, let "US make man in "OUR" image...." (Genesis 1:26). Further along we read, "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as "ONE OF US"....." (Genesis 3:22). It's not hard to understand.
Also take "NOTE", the Hebrew word for God with a capital "G" is "Elohim"(in the original Hebrew text). This word is a "PLURAL NOUN" (the 'im' is indeed a plural ending in the original Hebrew language). Thus, in the literal sense it must mean God consists of gods. Thus we have God (with a capital "G") the entity, consisting of multiple beings as stated in (1 John 5:7). This is referred to in the scriptures as the "GODHEAD" (Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Col.2:9) Compare this to other "entities" that, apparently, you have no trouble in understanding. A man and a woman are ONE in marriage, yet each does not lose their "individuality". A man, woman and their offspring make the entity known as a "family", yet this Single unit consists of several different individual parts, the man, the woman, and the children. Or the kingdom of God, also known as the church which Christ was the chief corner stone, it consists of millions of people, yet it is but a Single entity. Like I said, people take what is simple and complicate it with their own ideas. Yet, there is only "one" rightful owner and ruler of heaven, the Father God almighty who sits in rule over Heaven, and has temporarily given all power and authority over to His Son Jesus (Matt. 28:18), until such time as the enemies of Christ are at his feet, and at this time the reign of Christ ends with He(Christ) giving all control back to our Father(God) (1Cor. 15:24).
The Holy Spirit is the power of God that makes action and does what He is directed to do. He resides in Heaven as demonstrated when Jesus called Him to serve His commission as the "Spirit of Truth" (John 14 :16-31, 16:13). Thus He cannot be Jesus, because Jesus said that He would send for Him, He cannot be the Father because Jesus would pray to the Father to send Him. Also as demonstrated in the Gospel of Matthew 3:16, all 3 where present at exactly the same time and the same location, making different actions. Jesus was coming up out of the water, the Spirit was coming down from heaven in the form of a dove, and the Father was speaking from heaven and saying, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Also note that He (The Holy Spirit) was there and making action in the beginning,"......and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (Genesis 1:2). Just as was the Word(Jesus the Son of God), "and the Word was with God and the Word was God" (John 1), "The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (vs. 2-3). RD
Because it the proper method....per instruction. 2Tim 2:14-15. Have you, just as many of us have, been presented something that needs assembly, like a bike or something to that nature? What's the first thing that most people do? They discard the instructions and proceed to piece together something that must be assembled in a proper order, and after the fact, what we are looking at is.....something that might be functional but we have a handful of articles left....these are contradictions, if they but are placed in their proper positions all works well and we have a better, more reliable tool to use. The Bible is NOT a single book, it is a correlation of things revealed through inspiration at different points of the Judeo Christian faith. When something is read to contradict another revelation....it cannot be correctly understood, because ALL is the product of ONE GOD. And, just as stated when that which is revealed is a product of properly dividing those truths which have been revealed.....WE HAVE "EDIFICATION".
You keep claiming "contradictions" but you cannot prove such, that's the whole point. What you are claiming are things claimed for over 2000 years, and in all that time nothing has been empirically proven to be a contradiction, only "theorized" as such....not proven. RD
I'm sorry but nothing new in what you posted. Same old sayings of all christian apologists which make no sense and has nothing to support it even from the distorted bible.
Now, here is something to think about:
If Jesus was God...
Then how come God needed an angel to stengthen Him !!?
"Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him." [Luke 22:43]
[Luke 22:41-43]
41 And He (Jesus) withdrew from them about a stone's throw, Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him.and He knelt down and began to pray,
42saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
43 Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him."
Angels only strengthen Prophets.
All that can be done is present the truth that is written, the decision to accept it or not is up to you. It does not matter from which translation that truth is drawn, a true translation is only a verbatim account of what is presented, the message and truth presented remains the same. Read from any translation you wish and Genesis 1:26 will still state the fact that God said, "Let "us" make man in "our" image, the same for Genesis 3:22, "......man is become as "one of US". Genes 11:7, "Let "US" go down and confuse their language....". Isaiah 6:8, ".....Whom shall I send and who will go for "US".
Read the text from the Bible that you are claiming is a "different truth" and you will find, the truth does not change, the only thing that changes is man's customs in an attempt to change what is written to justify a faith that is contrary to that truth. RD
Like i asked before, how do you know there is no contradictions??? All you have to go by is the bible. The bible states that the bible is true. In the real world that doesn't work, self-proclamation of truth doesn't work.
Your faith lies not in the bible but the men who wrote it. How do you know the writters where inspired by god? because they said they were? Sorry but you're gonna have to do better than that.
No contradictions ehh?
How about these?
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1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?
3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.
4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.
5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.
7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.
11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there. (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21
13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter bull****, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.
15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.
21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.
22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen? Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew 23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works they do for to be seen of men."
23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.
24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.
25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.
27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 23:3-4 & 7
28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.
29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher. John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.
30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.
32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17
34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.
37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.
38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14
39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31
41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13
42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.
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would you like more? I have about 168 more of them if you'd like....
This is really a joke and a total misunderstanding of the scripts. We shall take them one at a time and point out the "absurdity" in each, as the only thing being contradictory is the ignorance of the ones that you clearly "parroted" this secular nonsense form. Shall we get started? One at a time, the rest will fold like a building built upon the sands of deception ignorance which they constructed.
No. 1---its appears that the only contradiction is you claiming there is a contradiction. Matthew 1:17 does clearly state there are 14 generations from Abraham to David. However Matthew 1:2, only starts the process of showing the chronological order in that which is claimed in 1:17, "Abraham begat Iaac; and Isaac begat Jacob....etc. Just where is 13 generations claimed in Matt 1:2? Have you made a typo?
No. 2----Just where is the verse that says "Jesus never made such a statement"? Are you trying to claim a contradiction on facts which are not in evidence? Just how do you know that Jesus did not say this thing that "you" claim He never spoke. As I said, show me the verse that says that Christ never said such a thing, then you will have a contradiction. If not, we must go with what is written, such as, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." (John 21:25). Things "not written" can not be concluded to contradict the things were are clearly written. Show me the book, chapter, and verse in which Jesus never said, "It is more blessed to give than to receive", and I concede to your point that He never said it. If not, moving on.
No. 3---Apparently you have your miracles confused, In the Book of Matthew 8:13-14 the context of that which is presented it that Jesus is speaking of the illness that the "CENTURIONS SERVANT" was taken sick of, "the palsy". Jesus proclaimed that the Centurions faith was such that He (Christ) did not even have to physically visit, and told the Centurions people to go on their way, and his servant was healed in the same hour (vss. 6-13). Starting in verse 14 we find Jesus coming to the house of Peter, and He saw that Peter's mother in-law laid sick with a fever. Just where is the contradiction? What you speak of are representative of two entirely different people and illnesses. The verses you claim make contradiction in Mark 1:29-30 again are speaking of Peter's Mother in-law(sick with a fever) and then in Mark 1:40-41 this is in the fact the only passages concerning the "leaper". Next.
No. 4. You speak of a contradiction, where is the contradiction? In the times of Christ in the 1st century, the practice of Metonyimy was prevalent. There is no contradiction of the truth that both Matthew and Luke are pointing to in the context of the miracle that was performed and the faith that the Centurion held being the important factor to consider when recording the fact of witnessing the miracles of the Christ. Because the intermediaries came directly to Jesus, Matthew merely considered this the same as the Centurion himself being present. His accounts states, "....there came onto Him a centurion beseeching Him." The account of Luke simply goes into more detail and presents the facts of the customs and cultures concerning how the Jewish and Gentiles cultures were different. The Roman centurion knew that the Jews did not look with favor upon any Gentile, thus the account of Luke is more detailed in pointing out this fact. There is no contradiction to the truth, only a contradiction of facts concerning the customs of the times made by the ones crying "contradiction". Matthew's account is presented from the view of one that knew all these customs and is addressing the Gospel that he recorded to an audience that he expected also knew of these customs. Matthew is clearly writing to a Jewish audience as evidenced by the Chronological order of the Jewish lineage in the beginning of the gospel, with the intent of convincing them that Jesus was indeed the expected Messiah. On, the other hand Luke is addressing an entirely different audience, as he (Luke was a companion of Paul) he indeed goes into a great more detail in presenting Jewish customs and traditions as he primarily is reaching out to gentiles. Thus the extended detail in why the centurion first meet with Jewish elders, and then sent for Jesus. Matthew assumes his audience knows that a Roman was forbidden by Jewish customs to directly approach any religious representative, and writes his account in a brief summary.
I go weary, more later. I still am yet to see any contradiction of any "truth" that is presented in the scriptures. Only the circular reasoning that questions the minute details concerning the delivery of these truths. We will continue tomorrow. Good nite, all. RD
ah, so you are seeking to discredit all of them? Good luck with that, just remember if there is even 1 contradiction then it is all discredited as a 'holy book' because holy books cannot have any contradictions,
see if you can answer this contradiction:
"If someone slaps you on the right cheek, turn and offer him your left."
(Matt 5:38)
"just as he has injured a man, so it shall be inflicted on him."
(leviticus 24:20)
All are to be discredited, because there are no contradictions.
There is no contradiction with Matt 5:38, and Leviticus 24:20, Jesus is speaking of the new covenant to come in Matthew, and Leviticus was in fact contained in the Old Covenant. The promises of the Old Testament were not done away with, just the laws that were contrary for the New Testament covenant to take effect, thus the perfect law of liberty simply has a different methodology in dealing with those that breach God's law, in this case, Jesus instructed us to turn the other Cheek, but we do only have two cheeks to offer. And there is nothing that states any Christian does not have the right to defend his life and property. This goes hand and hand with the ideology that we are to be slow to anger, it is not a sin to become angry, as Christ Himself demonstrated in getting angry with the money changers in the temple and this fact did not cause Him to sin, because his anger was a righteous anger with good reason, the same ideology can be implied with turning the other cheek, being slow to anger does not preclude anyone from acting in righteous defense of his life or his property.
"new methodology"? C'mon RD you should know better than try to use that old argument. Why would you have to change methodolgy if it was perfect to begin with? A perfect being would never have to change his mind.
I'm sorry but nothing new in what you posted. Same old sayings of all christian apologists which make no sense and has nothing to support it even from the distorted bible.
Now, here is something to think about:
If Jesus was God...
Then how come God needed an angel to stengthen Him !!?
"Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him." [Luke 22:43]
[Luke 22:41-43]
41 And He (Jesus) withdrew from them about a stone's throw, Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him.and He knelt down and began to pray,
42saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
43 Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him (Jesus), strengthening Him."
Angels only strengthen Prophets.
WHERE IS THE WISE? WHERE IS THE SCRIBE? WHERE IS THE "DISPUTER" OF THIS WORLD? HATH NOT GOD MADE "FOOLISH" THE "wisdom" of this "WORLD"? (1 Corinthians 1:20). My last post Red Devil
