The following parable is very simple and crystal clear and I guess for that reason no christian wants to explain it!
[Matthew 21:33-46] (KJV)
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
*Explanation:
the 'householder' = GOD
'vineyard' = The God's religion and message to mankind
'husbandmen' = The House of Israel (Jews). God gave them the reposibility to protect his true message, obey his laws, and to spread (convey) God's message.
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
* Explanation:
'servants' of the hoseholder = the messengers (prohets) of God.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
* Explanation:
the Jews (husbandmen) received the messengers of God by beating some, killing and stoning others.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
* Explanation:
Again, God sent other messengers (prophets) to the Jews, and the Jews did unto those prophets like what they did to the previous ones (beating, killing & stoning them).
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
* Explanation:
Then God sent the last messenger (Jesus) to those husbandmen (Jews).
'his son' = Jesus (peace be upon him).
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
*Explanation:
the husbandmen (Jews) decided to kill this last messenger (Jesus) so they can have their own laws and not God's laws.
39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
*Explanation:
The Jews caught this messenger (Jesus), disapproved his prophet-hood (cast him out of the vineyard), and killed him (of course they thought they did that).
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
* Explanation:
'the lord of the vineyard' = God
So, Jesus asked the Jews what do they think this lord would do to those husbandmen after beating and killing his servants (messengers)!
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
* Explanation:
The Jews answered Jesus by saying the Lord will destroy those wicked (evil) men, and the Lord will let out his vineyard (Religion, God's message) unto other husbandmen (new people who carry the message), and those new husbandmen shall honestly take care and protect the vineyard and deliver its fruits (God's teachings and laws) in their seasons (as prescribed and told by the owner of the vineyard: God).
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
* Explanation:
'The stone which the builders rejected' = Ishmael and his mother Hagr. (refers to the sons of Ishmael).
'become the head of the corner' = become the head and glory of the Religion of Abraham.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
* Explanation:
'The Kingdom of God' = The Prophet-hood
Here Jesus (PBUH) told the Jews that this would be the end of the prophet-hood in the House of Israel. God would give the final prophet-hood to that nation ('The stone which the builders rejected') so they would protect it forever.
Remember that the chief priests and Pharisees represent the Religious symbol of the Jewish people (Jewish Nation: The House of Israel), so when Jesus (PBUH) was talking to them he meant the Religion & Prophet-hood legacy of the House of Israel (Which Jesus (PBUH) was a member of!).
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
* Explanation:
'this stone' = ('The stone which the builders rejected'), the sons of Ishmael as explaine above.
Jesus (PBUH) told the Jews that the enemies of this nation (that would be given the Kingdom of God) will be eventually broken and defeated.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
If you really want to fight then the road is easy. Just join the Bush Crusade Army and go to Iraq !
Now, let us return to reality, why did not you answer my request when I asked you to give your personal explanation for that parable I posted above !!?
Just play'n, Hoss. Just play'n.
:wtf:
Basically both your books contradict what is written in them and neither is inspired by God because they were written by MEN.
when you come to realise this, it will be an uplifting day with the burden of hell lifted off your shoulders, no longer will you need to please an imaginary diety that thirsts for your mind numbing devotion. Instead you will be liberated in the knowledge that the life you lead can be one of great joy, exploration and the unmistakable pleasure in knowing that every second we spend on this earth is limited and must lived as if it were our last, Once you are dead that be it,...no 72 virgins, I still get a giggle at that one and no angels on clouds, even more ridiculous.
Once we are done that is it,..Accept you mortality and your finite being, you are but a chain of chemical reactions from birth to death.
Enjoy your lives
numpty
As per instructions,"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needth not to be ashamed, rightly 'DIVIDING' the word of truth. (2Tim.2:15) RD
For only those who are interested, I'd like you to read and study throughly those passages which describe that promised ONE (The Praised ONE), the servant of God, The final messenger. I will put my explanation later:
[Isaiah 42:12] KJV
1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
yeah i know.
but the article was suggesting that the contradictions will 'fade away' if you have an 'open mind' basically they were saying you must already accept it as truth before reading it....which is utterly ridiculous!
Yes, the Old Testament indeed points to the coming of Jesus Christ as the Messiah, there are many such passages of scripture. Isaiah 7:14--The Birth, Micah 5:2--The Place of Birth, Isaiah 53---a Physical Description, and an account of how His Death would come about, Psalm 16---His Resurrection, Isaiah 28:15---a detailed description of His Betrayal.......there are many more. RD
1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold;
No, what the article is pointing out, is the fact that if you do not "study" the entire scriptures in a way (open minded) that that does NOT contradict, you are not dividing the scriptures correctly. What at first may appear to be contrary to another part of scripture is shown not to, "IF" one only studies. The entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation can be "referenced" not to contradict with proper study habits. As, I have spoken , many times, there is nothing personal in any of my retorts. My "ONLY" interest is in defending the scriptures, because this is where my faith is based. Every one have a good night, I must be going. RD
As spoken before, "YOUR" belief or disbelief has no bearing on the TRUTH, that these "inspired" men have revealed in the word of God. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the Man of God (not those that do not believe in God) may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
As I said, each time a false presumption of contradiction is presented due to secular ignorance, and it is debunked by the word of truth, it only re-enforces the faith of Christians.....keep up the good work, just like your false implications of accusation that no historical proof could be shown to validate anything in the scriptures. RD
According to your christianity: Is Jesus God or 'Servant of God' ?
Because the first sentence in [Isaiah 42:1] explicitly stated:
!!!
EH?!?!
All I read was; you're stupid because because you don't believe in an imaginary God and the book/s that are witten about the acts of the bible, which were written by MEN.
Could you tell me about Adam's first wife Lilith? Why did she not make it into the 'finished' text?
I assume you are aware that they were created equally and when Adam sked her to do things she refused so Adam asked God to 'get rid' of her, which he did. Adam then wanted a subserviant companion which God made from one of his ribs.
Why did this story not make it?
As FF rightly points out how can a book of books be or have divine inspiration if all the texts are not in it and were chosen by a group of people. It's just preposterous to even consider that it is the work of God when the literature in it was chosen by a commitee.
Oh and how do you know these men were inspired by god? What coroberative evidence out side the bible supports the sitings and findings of Jesus, I am talking eyewitness accounts? Because even Mr Campbell up to now has been unable to produce these. I would be very keen to see the evidence you have.
Why is it one must read in a 'special' manner as to not find contradictions? The fact that you must read it in a way where you must TRY not to make the contradictions speaks volumes....How do you know that if you find a contradiction that you must be reading it wrong? thats sounds extremely ridiculous.
serously is anyone else hearing this? Sabz, scoob, Numpty? You cannot read this and not smell BS.
The simple truth is that the bible does have contradictions because it was written by multiple (fallible) human authors at different times. There are 13 books that didn't make it into the bible yet the bible makes mention of these 'lesser' books and how was it decided what books are good enough to be apart of the bible? By a vote. As if popular oppinion determines truth.....
Let the scriptures explain, in "explicit detail", "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be "equal" with God; But "MADE" himself of no reputation (a servant), and took upon him the form of a SERVANT, and was made in the "LIKENESS" of men: And being found in the fashion as a man, he HUMBLED himself, and became OBEDIENT unto death, even the death of the cross." (Philippians 2:5-8). RD
Yes, the Old Testament indeed points to the coming of Jesus Christ as the Messiah, there are many such passages of scripture. Isaiah 7:14--The Birth, Micah 5:2--The Place of Birth, Isaiah 53---a Physical Description, and an account of how His Death would come about, Psalm 16---His Resurrection, Isaiah 28:15---a detailed description of His Betrayal.......there are many more. RD
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
So God made himself 'servant of God' !!! That's nonsense.
I think you missed the point that the one who was talking in [Isiah 42:1-12] was God himself. He (God) was talking about another person 'Servant of God' that God would send.
Also,
What about ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)" !
Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said "alone". If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.
What about John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself" !
What about John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I" !
What about Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." !
What about "One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)" !!
Did God pray to himself !!!?
As stated in your Bible:
[Eph:4:6]-"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
And If Jesus said:
[John:5:37]-"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."
Then How can Jesus be God !!?
