If Jesus was God ...

But does it happen all that often in real life? No. Do Muslim extremists kill people in real life every day? Yes.

The Inquisitions were a textbook example of religion used as a tool by a government to further its own agenda. The witch hunts were a product of an ignorant and fearful society ready to blame anyone outside of normality for any problem.

Agreed. So if all that is taught is the bible and the bible is the only book that has 'Authority' then very quickly the Christian world will return to the medevil ways in which we see in some Muslim countries.

When a way of life is not questioned and followed blindly we get the situations we have that blighted Europe centries ago. The advent of science and those early pioneers may well have been christians,..but they questioned its way and beliefs.

The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer...continue


How many children did Michael, the daughter of Saul, have?

None!?

KJV [2 Samuel 6:23] Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.


Or, Five !?

KJV [2 Samuel 21:8] But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:




"Then woe to those (Jews & Christians) who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah (God)," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby." [Noble Quran 2: 79]

the bible has more than one author, that's why sometimes the passages contradict eachother, although i don't know a christian who will honestly admit it...


being raised in a christain family and culture i know quite a bit about christianity but i can't say i know a whole lot about the quran i should spend some times learning about exactly what muslims believe

all i know about Islam is:
1 God "allah"
1 main prophet Muhammad
5 pillars of faith
Islam is a branch of judaism
The quran is the holy book
prayer is on knees
pigs/swine are unholy
can't eat pork
can't show bottom of feet
women are to be covered
1 afterlife
72 virgins in Islam "heaven"
Islam high priests are Imams
worship happens in mosques


*if i am wrong about any of this let me know!

Islam is not a branch of Judaism, it simply follows the same God as them, .

Islam IS a branch of islam

That's why the term "abrahmic faiths" refers to judaism, christanity and Islam.



Both christanity and Islam are branches of judaism.

Wow. Ph. D. in theology?



'Abrahamic faiths' is not the same thing as 'Judaism.' Islam believed that Judaism holds incorrect beliefs. They believe that the Torah has become distorted from its original messaage, which- surprise- would support Islam. That is why calling Islam a 'branch of Judaism' is wrong, while calling it an Abrahamic faith is fine.

"Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion, and its adherents, called Muslims, regard the Prophet Muhammad as the last and most perfect of God's messengers, who include Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and others."

-wikipedia.com


"This in turn enables the beginning of the repainting of Islam as simply a branch of Judaism and Christianity that also worships the God of the Bible."

-Paul Crouch, Sr.

Please explain how the first refutes my argument or how the second provides anything of value. Islam is an Abrahamic faith, not a branch of Judaism, there is a difference.

To say they are a branch of Judaism would say they accept the beliefs of Judaism, which they do not.

what religion is abraham from?

All three Abrahamic, he is not necessarily connected exclusively to Judaism. He had two sons, Israel, father of the Jewish people, and Ishmael, father of the Arabic people. So each of his two sons was connected to their respective race, he was connected to both, not exclusively the Jewish, then through extension, to Arabs.

As the man said, Ibrahim was a Muslim, not a Jew or Christian.

Abraham (if he ever lived at all) was dead before the foundation of Islam. Judaism is an older religion than Islam. Islam is connected to abraham through judaism because muslims believe in the same god as the jews and it's teachings come from or are based off of judaism.

That's not necessarily true. Just because Judaism is older does not mean it is older than the Ishmaelites, who did not subscribe to the beliefs of the Israelites and can trace quite a separate history through the ages. Muslims believe that Ishmael, the half brother of Isaac, was the father of the Arabic people, who reclaimed their Abrahamic religion with Muhammed. Previous to this most Muslims were pagan with Jewish and Christian minorities.

It matters not what they believed unless you can back this up with history it makes no difference to me. Judaism predates Islam by at least a thousand years.

"Judaism is around 3500 years old and is the oldest of the world's four great monotheistic religions. It's also the smallest, with only about 12 million followers around the world."

Judaism for Children


"The founder of Islam was Mohammed, an Arab born about A.D. 570 in Mecca (a city in today's Saudi Arabia). He often retreated to a cave outside of Mecca where he would spend periods of time in deep meditation about the degenerate state of religion and morals among his own countrymen."

Islam

Abraham (Hebrew: אַבְרָהָם, Standard Avraham Tiberian ʾAḇrāhām Ashkenazi Avrohom or Avruhom ; Arabic: ابراهيم‎, Ibrāhīm ; Ge'ez: አብርሃም, ʾAbrəham) is a figure in the Torah, Bible, and Qur'an whom Jewish, Christian and Muslim believers regard as the founding patriarch of the Israelites, Ishamelites and Edomite peoples. In what is thus called Abrahamic religious tradition, Abraham is the forefather of these people.