If Jesus was God ...

@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;49401 wrote:

I answered you question sword, I have not read the Qu'ran, now will you answer mine?

Have you read the Vedas, the Talmud, the book of the dead, the holy granth, papyrus of anep, Tablets of Bah?'u'll?h, Dianetics, the book of mormon?

I have read the Talmud and I have initiated a thread exposing it in this forum (look for it in the old posts). I haven't read the others yet but anyone who want to compare his faith/book with the Islam and Quran then he/she is welcome and I will be glad to debate with him/her to discover where is the TRUTH.

Islam challenges every faith for the sake of reaching to that one TRUTH.

[Is not He (better than your so-called gods) Who originates creation, and shall thereafter repeat it, and Who provides for you from heaven and earth? Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Say: "Bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful."] {Quran 72:64}

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;49427 wrote:

I have read the Talmud and I have initiated a thread exposing it in this forum (look for it in the old posts). I haven't read the others yet but anyone who want to compare his faith/book with the Islam and Quran then he/she is welcome and I will be glad to debate with him/her to discover where is the TRUTH.

Islam challenges every faith for the sake of reaching to that one TRUTH.

[Is not He (better than your so-called gods) Who originates creation, and shall thereafter repeat it, and Who provides for you from heaven and earth? Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Say: "Bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful."] {Quran 72:64}

This is a bit hypocritical is it not? You said i could not judge the Qu'ran without having read it first, but thats exactly what you have done with these other holy texts, you judge them to be wrong yet you have not read them...

So why exactly should i believe the qu'ran to be right over the hundreds of other holy texts?

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;49446 wrote:

This is a bit hypocritical is it not? You said i could not judge the Qu'ran without having read it first, but thats exactly what you have done with these other holy texts, you judge them to be wrong yet you have not read them...

So why exactly should i believe the qu'ran to be right over the hundreds of other holy texts?

Don't throw your mistake on me. I didn't mention anything about any other faith other than Christianity and Judaism in this thread. You are the one who started throwing your accusations against Islam and Quran out of the air (and against all other "religious" books) and I just responded to you by asking you if you have read the Quran or not. I quote here your accusation and my response:

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Fatal_Freedoms;49199 wrote:
yes i think you're right, the bible is just a load of crap, but i think the same about the Qu'ran and every other religious book ever made...why is it that i should believe your book over any other religious book?

Have you read the Noble Quran yourself ?

If yes, then provide evidences to pack up your accusations from the Quran, (Not blindly copy from anti-Islam hate websites).

If you did not read it, then it's not logical to judge a book while you didn't read it!

The wise person will first read and investigate by himself before throwing easy accusations out of ignorance.

Have a nice day.

Finally, Quran has all the solid proofs, specially scientif, that it could not been authored by human but rather it must been from the Creator. Tell me another "religious book" that doesn't contradict the scientific facts!
I believe you have already visited the other thread talking about the scientific miracles of the Noble Quran. If not, here is the link http://www.conflictingviews.com/t998/

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;49448 wrote:

Don't throw your mistake on me. I didn't mention anything about any other faith other than Christianity and Judaism in this thread. You are the one who started throwing your accusations against Islam and Quran out of the air (and against all other "religious" books) and I just responded to you by asking you if you have read the Quran or not.

I didn't throw any accusation, simply stated there is no reason to believe the Qu'ran. Also as a good muslim you would be required to disbelieve in all other gods, if you believed those other holy books to be true and there are other gods when the qu'ran clearly states there is only 1 god then you wouldn't be a very good muslim then would you?

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Finally, Quran has all the solid proofs, specially scientif, that it could not been authored by human but rather it must been from the Creator. Tell me another "religious book" that doesn't contradict the scientific facts!

All Holy books contradict scientific law, the Qu'ran violates the laws of thermodynamics!

"Matter cannot be created nor destroyed!"

thus the idea of a creator in and of itself would violate well-known scientific laws.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;49452 wrote:

I didn't throw any accusation, simply stated there is no reason to believe the Qu'ran. Also as a good muslim you would be required to disbelieve in all other gods, if you believed those other holy books to be true and there are other gods when the qu'ran clearly states there is only 1 god then you wouldn't be a very good muslim then would you?

All Holy books contradict scientific law, the Qu'ran violates the laws of thermodynamics!

"Matter cannot be created nor destroyed!"

thus the idea of a creator in and of itself would violate well-known scientific laws.

Real scientists admit that this well-organized universe must have a Creator, it did not came to existence by accidence as you atheists want to believe.

According to the famous physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Albert Einstein, ?Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.?

Now, let me borrow and quote here for you this conversation between an atheist and a believer about the same point "existence of matter and the Creator":

Wilson: But why should a person consider the existence of the material world as evidence of the existence of the creator of matter? Is it not probable that matter existed without a creator? Suppose someone views that matter or energy is infinitely old, and that it never was preceded by non-existence. Would you be able to disprove his views?

Chirri: It is very hard to accept the idea that matter is infinitely old.

When one says that matter or energy is infinitely old, one assumes that the material out of which the billions of stars were built, existed simultaneously. When we are aware that each star contains billions of tons of materials, and that the balance of the raw material is much more than the material which is contained in the stars and planets, we realize the improbability of such an idea. We cannot conceive that all these quantities of materials existed at once and that nothing of it was preceded by non-existence.

To say that only a portion of the material is infinitely old, and that the other portions came to existence at a later stage, is to admit the need of a creator, because the inanimate material does not increase by self-reproduction. Only living beings are capable of multiplying by self-reproduction. To allow any gradual increase in the material quantity is to admit the need of a creator.

Wilson: I may agree with you that matter and energy must have been preceded by non-existence. But this is not very obvious to every human being. Does the teaching of Islam suggest the consideration of anything in the nature that was undoubtedly preceded by non-existence?

Chirri: Yes, there is something which we all know, and it was born after the existence of the earth, namely: life. Our scientists state that earth was too hot (and some of them say it was too cold) for any kind of life to exist on it. It took the earth millions of years to become a suitable place for life. Life, therefore, is, undoubtedly, a newborn.

Science, however, tells us that life does not originate from non-living being. Pasteur's experiment, which took place in the 19th century, is still standing. Through his sterilized soup, he proved beyond any doubt that life does not originate from inanimate material. The scientists of today are still unable to disprove his conclusion.

The earth, along with its atmosphere, at the time of its formation was sterile and unproductive. Transforming the inanimate materials, such as carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and iron into a living being could not, therefore, be done through a natural process. It must have been done miraculously. This means that the existence of life on this planet is a shining evidence on the existence of an Intelligent, Supernatural Designer.

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@SWORD of GOD,

[SIZE="4"]"The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind; yet, most of mankind know not." [Quran 40:57][/SIZE]

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[SIZE="4"]"Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding. Those who remember Allah (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth, (saying): "Our Lord! You have not created (all) this without purpose, glory to You! (Exalted are You above all that they associate with You as partners). Give us salvation from the torment of the Fire." [Quran 3: 190-191][/SIZE]

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[SIZE="4"]"Is not He (better than your gods) Who created the heavens and the earth, and sends down for you water (rain) from the sky, whereby We cause to grow wonderful gardens full of beauty and delight? It is not in your ability to cause the growth of their trees. Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but they are a people who ascribe equals (to Him)!" [Quran 27:60][/SIZE]

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;49533 wrote:

[SIZE="4"]"The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind; yet, most of mankind know not." [Quran 40:57][/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"]"Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding. Those who remember Allah (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth, (saying): "Our Lord! You have not created (all) this without purpose, glory to You! (Exalted are You above all that they associate with You as partners). Give us salvation from the torment of the Fire." [Quran 3: 190-191][/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"]"Is not He (better than your gods) Who created the heavens and the earth, and sends down for you water (rain) from the sky, whereby We cause to grow wonderful gardens full of beauty and delight? It is not in your ability to cause the growth of their trees. Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but they are a people who ascribe equals (to Him)!" [Quran 27:60][/SIZE]

The Creation of the heavens are a wonderful thing, yet the Creation of the heavens and the stars cannot love God back as man can. And God created us to have fellowship with Him. This He cannot have with the heavens and the stars, but He can have that with a people who love Him.

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@Campbell34,

[SIZE="3"]Birthday of the Christian "God"![/SIZE]

The Christians nowadays are celebrating the BIRTHDAY of their claimed "God" !! A God that has a Birthday!! so funny and at the same time so sad to know that many people believe in this paganism nonsense.

They insist that Jesus (peace be upon him) is "God" while he was always teaching the opposite:

[Mark 10:18]: Jesus said ?And Jesus said to him,?Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.?

[John 14:28]: Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"

[John 8:28]: Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"

[Matthew 24:36]: Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.(From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"

[Mar 12:29]: Jesus answered, "The most important is,'Hear, O Israel, the Lord OUR God is ONE Lord?

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;49759 wrote:

[SIZE="3"]Birthday of the Christian "God"![/SIZE]

The Christians nowadays are celebrating the BIRTHDAY of their claimed "God" !! A God that has a Birthday!! so funny and at the same time so sad to know that many people believe in this paganism nonsense.

They insist that Jesus (peace be upon him) is "God" while he was always teaching the opposite:

[Mark 10:18]: Jesus said ?And Jesus said to him,?Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.?

[John 14:28]: Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"

[John 8:28]: Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"

[Matthew 24:36]: Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.(From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"

[Mar 12:29]: Jesus answered, "The most important is,'Hear, O Israel, the Lord OUR God is ONE Lord?

And there is only one God yet it requires three beings to = one God. That is a fact that you ignore. For there are three that bear witiness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And Jesus said Himself, that no one comes to the Father but through Him.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;49781 wrote:

And there is only one God yet it requires three beings to = one God. That is a fact that you ignore. For there are three that bear witiness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one...

For the million time, where did Jesus (himself) mention the "TRINITY"? or where did Jesus mention that God is = the Father+the Word+the Holy Ghost !!!?
Or Where did Jesus himself said that he's God !!?

Campbell34;49781 wrote:

...And Jesus said Himself, that no one comes to the Father but through Him.

Every messenger sent by God would have said the same during his time. No one would come to God but through his messengers who carried God's true words and orders.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;49787 wrote:

For the million time, where did Jesus (himself) mention the "TRINITY"? or where did Jesus mention that God is = the Father+the Word+the Holy Ghost !!!?
Or Where did Jesus himself said that he's God !!?

Every messenger sent by God would have said the same during his time. No one would come to God but through his messengers who carried God's true words and orders.

Jesus saith unto him, (I am the way,) (the truth,) (and the life:) no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If you had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen Him.

Which other messengers can you show us that said they alone are the way? DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE HOW JESUS DID NOT SAY IT WAS HIS MESSAGE, BUT IT WAS HE ALONE THAT WAS THE TRUTH.

Could you show us those other messengers who have made such claims?
Can you show us which messengers that tell us that if we have known them we now know the Father as well? Could you give us a list of their names? And perhaps their confirming statements.

And don't forgit about Thomas telling Jesus, "you are my Lord and my God" I don't recall messengers ever being described as a God.

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@chico,

chico;13731 wrote:

In my study of the Bible, I believe there are no clear verses that teaches Jesus was/is God. Most preachers who believe that Jesus was/is God can give verses in the Bible that says Jesus is really God. But when you study all the verses that says so, you will understand that they have different message.

Jesus was not called 'God' in the Bible nor 'only man' nor 'not man'.

Who is Jesus?

Jesus is the Spirit of God in Genesis chap 1 ver 1-2 because he is John chap 1 verse 3......

Thomas called Jesus my Lord and my God, and when Jesus departed from the earth those present worshipped Him. And as you know, worship is only for God.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;50008 wrote:

Jesus saith unto him, (I am the way,) (the truth,) (and the life:) no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If you had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen Him.

......

Again, Every messenger sent by God would have said the same during his time. No one would come to God but through his messengers who carried God's true words and orders. You know God (the Father) through his messengers. That's all, simple and clear.

Campbell34;50008 wrote:

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Which other messengers can you show us that said they alone are the way? DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE HOW JESUS DID NOT SAY IT WAS HIS MESSAGE, BUT IT WAS HE ALONE THAT WAS THE TRUTH.

Could you show us those other messengers who have made such claims?
Can you show us which messengers that tell us that if we have known them we now know the Father as well? Could you give us a list of their names? And perhaps their confirming statements.

...

See, the above answer. I can quote to you here from the Quran:

Allah said in the Noble Quran:
"Say (O Muhammad): If you love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you, and grant you protection from your sins. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger, but if they turn back, Allah surely loves not the disbelievers." (Quran 3:30-31)

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (Quran 3:85)

"Can they (Muslims) who rely on a clear proof (the Quran) from their Lord, and whom a witness (Jibril (Gabriel (peace be upon him))) from Him recites (follows) it (can they be equal with the disbelievers); and before it, came the Book of Musa (Moses), a guidance and a mercy, they believe therein, but those of the sects (Jews, Christians and all the other non-Muslim nations) that reject it (the Quran), the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. So be not in doubt about it (i.e. those who denied Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and also denied all that which he brought from Allah. Surely, they will enter Hell). Verily, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the mankind believe not." (Quran 11:17)

Also, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of Allah (God), His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by Allah into Heaven.? [Bukhari]

Campbell34;50008 wrote:

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And don't forgit about Thomas telling Jesus, "you are my Lord and my God" I don't recall messengers ever being described as a God.

First, I could care less about what the New Testament writers interpretations. I just want to see what Jesus himself said.

Second, this is an expression of surprise like "O My God!" in a state of surprise. Thomas made the exclamatory remark in verse John 20:28, "My Lord and My God" because he finally recognized and acknowledged that it was truly Jesus that resurrected from the dead (according to your Bible!) .
But Jesus did absolutely nothing special for Thomas to even call him God, so Thomas's remark is best explained as an expression of surprise. Prophets of the Old Testament resurrected people from the dead by the will of God. (see 2 Kings 4:18-37, 1 Kings 17:17-22 etc.) (Therefore, Jesus did absolutely nothing special for Thomas to even call him God).

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@SWORD of GOD,

Jesus (peace be upon him) was always teaching that he's just a messenger and servant of God. He never claimed to be God or God the Son. He always taught that there's only ONE true God who he used to worship and to pray to.

How can any sensible christian keep rejecting all evidences in the bible that emphesize this crystal clear truth, that's Jesus (PBUH) was only a man and a messenger of God.

This is one of those many evidences in their bible that they choose to ignore and instead they trust what their priests in the Church feed them with lies and deceptions:

"You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.” [Acts 10:38]

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@SWORD of GOD,

Just wondering what pleasure you get out of all the anti christian posts?

And no I am not christian,...just wondering is all.

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@Numpty,

Numpty;50058 wrote:

Just wondering what pleasure you get out of all the anti christian posts?

And no I am not christian,...just wondering is all.

This website is called "Conflicting Views" to debate and try to seek any truth through proofs. The pleasure is not in wining points here but when you help those who are walking blindly in the wrong path to open their eyes and make them think again using logic and sensible approachs. It is our duty to help people to know the Truth and save them before death comes.

I am -as any Muslim-, honor and love Jesus "Isa" (Peace be upon him), the true Jesus, and consider him one of the great messengers. No one can be a Muslim unless he believes in all the authentic messengers starting by Noah, ...through Abraham,Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus , until the last and final messenger, prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

Read the following and you may know the answer to your wrong question:

?The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was but a Messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed to Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him.? (Qur??n, 4:171)

"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with ALLAH (God) is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [Quran 3:59]

"I (Jesus) have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by ALLAH?s (God's) leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by ALLAH?s (God's) leave." [Quran 3:49].

?Indeed, the angels said: ?O Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the Hereafter, and he shall be among those brought near [to God]. He will speak to humankind in the cradle and in manhood, and he is of the righteous.? (Qur??n, 3:45)

?And indeed God gave Moses the Book [Torah], and after him We sent Messengers in succession. We gave Jesus son of Mary clear proofs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit [Angel Gabriel].? (Qur??n, 2:87)

?Say [O believers: Muslims]: ?We believe in God and [the Book: Qura?an] sent down to us, and what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes; and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to [all] the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him do we surrender ourselves.? (Qur??n 2:136)

?And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One (Ahmad)? (Quran 61: 6)

?And We (Allah) made the Son of Mary and his mother to be a (miraculous) sign? (Quran 23, 50)

Prophet Muhammad emphasized the importance of Jesus by saying:
"Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of Allah (God), His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by Allah into Heaven.? [Bukhari]

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;50017 wrote:

Again, Every messenger sent by God would have said the same during his time. No one would come to God but through his messengers who carried God's true words and orders. You know God (the Father) through his messengers. That's all, simple and clear.

See, the above answer. I can quote to you here from the Quran:

Allah said in the Noble Quran:
"Say (O Muhammad): If you love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you, and grant you protection from your sins. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger, but if they turn back, Allah surely loves not the disbelievers." (Quran 3:30-31)

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (Quran 3:85)

"Can they (Muslims) who rely on a clear proof (the Quran) from their Lord, and whom a witness (Jibril (Gabriel (peace be upon him))) from Him recites (follows) it (can they be equal with the disbelievers); and before it, came the Book of Musa (Moses), a guidance and a mercy, they believe therein, but those of the sects (Jews, Christians and all the other non-Muslim nations) that reject it (the Quran), the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. So be not in doubt about it (i.e. those who denied Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and also denied all that which he brought from Allah. Surely, they will enter Hell). Verily, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the mankind believe not." (Quran 11:17)

Also, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of Allah (God), His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by Allah into Heaven.? [Bukhari]

First, I could care less about what the New Testament writers interpretations. I just want to see what Jesus himself said.

Second, this is an expression of surprise like "O My God!" in a state of surprise. Thomas made the exclamatory remark in verse John 20:28, "My Lord and My God" because he finally recognized and acknowledged that it was truly Jesus that resurrected from the dead (according to your Bible!) .
But Jesus did absolutely nothing special for Thomas to even call him God, so Thomas's remark is best explained as an expression of surprise. Prophets of the Old Testament resurrected people from the dead by the will of God. (see 2 Kings 4:18-37, 1 Kings 17:17-22 etc.) (Therefore, Jesus did absolutely nothing special for Thomas to even call him God).

Every messenger sent by God would of said the same thing? SHOW ME.
Show me where the other messangers have said they alone are the way the truth and the life. And Jesus coming back from the dead was very special. And when Jesus was ascended up to heaven the people worshipped Him. Worship is only for God. So why were those people worshipping Him?

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;50231 wrote:

Every messenger sent by God would of said the same thing? SHOW ME.
Show me where the other messangers have said they alone are the way the truth and the life......

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah, (Muhammad (may peace be upon him)) observed: "By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire." {Muslim, Book 001, Number 0284}

Should I keep repeating my answer again and again!? I have answered you (see above posts) and here it is again:

Allah said in the Noble Quran:
"Say (O Muhammad): If you love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you, and grant you protection from your sins. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger, but if they turn back, Allah surely loves not the disbelievers." (Quran 3:30-31)

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (Quran 3:85)

"Can they (Muslims) who rely on a clear proof (the Quran) from their Lord, and whom a witness (Jibril (Gabriel (peace be upon him))) from Him recites (follows) it (can they be equal with the disbelievers); and before it, came the Book of Musa (Moses), a guidance and a mercy, they believe therein, but those of the sects (Jews, Christians and all the other non-Muslim nations) that reject it (the Quran), the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. So be not in doubt about it (i.e. those who denied Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and also denied all that which he brought from Allah. Surely, they will enter Hell). Verily, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the mankind believe not." (Quran 11:17)

Also, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of Allah (God), His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by Allah into Heaven.” [Bukhari]

Campbell34;50231 wrote:

...... And when Jesus was ascended up to heaven the people worshipped Him. Worship is only for God. So why were those people worshipping Him?

I keep asking you to qoute from your own bible where did Jesus himself say I am God or where did he say Worship me! but until now you failed to quote any! Are you following the teachings of JESUS or the teachings of the PEOPLE !!!?

You should read this in your Bible before you answer:

NAS [Romans 1:21- 31]:
"For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,

slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,

without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

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@SWORD of GOD,

How can Jesus be God when he himself said in the Bible:

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." [John 17:3].

Clearly ,without any doubt, this passage states that there is only ONE TRUE GOD, and Jesus was only a messenger sent by that one true God.

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@SWORD of GOD,

C'mon, Sword. C'mon. Let's throw steel, Bro. Throw it.
:swordfight::swordfight::swordfight:

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