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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 10:18 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49209 wrote:
Have you read the Noble Quran yourself ?

If yes, then provide evidences to pack up your accusations from the Quran, (Not blindly copy from anti-Islam hate websites).

If you did not read it, then it's not logical to judge a book while you didn't read it!

The wise person will first read and investigate by himself before throwing easy accusations out of ignorance.

Have a nice day.


Have you read the Vedas? The Talmud? The book of the dead? The Granth? Dianetics? etc...

I am not stating that the Qu'ran is wrong i am simply saying there is no more reason to believe it over any of the various other religions.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 07:03 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;49219 wrote:
Have you read the Vedas? The Talmud? The book of the dead? The Granth? Dianetics? etc...

I am not stating that the Qu'ran is wrong i am simply saying there is no more reason to believe it over any of the various other religions.


You did not answer my question!

Have you read the Noble Quran yourself ?

If yes, then provide evidences to pack up your accusations from the Quran, (Not blindly copy from anti-Islam hate websites).

If you did not read it, then it's not logical to judge a book while you didn't read it!

The wise person will first read and investigate by himself before throwing easy accusations out of ignorance.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 07:06 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;49218 wrote:
Question Mr Sword of God,...Recently in the UK a 31 year old woman who's father is an Iman recently converted to Christianity. She has had death threats from her family and her own father went around her house with a baying mob of 30+ people, they were only prevented from carrying out the murder of this lady because the police intervined.Her hather has publicly declared his daughter should be killed

She now has a direct link the the local police and has police protection assigned to her.

As the quoran states those who leave Islam are to be killed. Do you agree that inorder to adhere to mohammeds teachings you must kill people who leave Islam?

Should this women be killed?


First, I must ask you to quote where in the Quran Allah says kill people who leave Islam!

Quote from Quran and post it here before you ask your question. Do your homework!

But I can quote from your own bible where the biblical God orders to kill who choose a different religion:

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

Jesus said : " But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY THEM BEFORE me. " ( LUKE 19:27)
Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 10:02 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49231 wrote:
First, I must ask you to quote where in the Quran Allah says kill people who leave Islam!

Quote from Quran and post it here before you ask your question. Do your homework!

But I can quote from your own bible where the biblical God orders to kill who choose a different religion:

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

Jesus said : " But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY THEM BEFORE me. " ( LUKE 19:27)


You really don't listen sometimes,.I have already told you I am an Athiest, All belief in any religion is irrational and delusional.

I will find your evidence,

But do you think she should be killed?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 04:27 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;49237 wrote:
You really don't listen sometimes,.I have already told you I am an Athiest, All belief in any religion is irrational and delusional.

I will find your evidence,

But do you think she should be killed?


Excuse me but I only respond to those who bring clear documented proofs from the holy book. You claimed that Allah in the Quran says to kill people who leave Islam. I want you to quote from the Quran where Allah says that.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 10:37 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49230 wrote:
You did not answer my question!



you did not answer mine!

Quote:
Have you read the Noble Quran yourself ?


Have you read the Vedas? The Talmud? The book of the dead? The Granth? Dianetics? I will answer your question when you answer mine. My point being you don't have to read a book to not believe it.


Quote:
If yes, then provide evidences to pack up your accusations from the Quran, (Not blindly copy from anti-Islam hate websites).


I am not Anti-Islamic nor do i get sources from Anti-Islamic sites, I am adimately against hate, I have been defending Muslims from prejudice and hate more than you know!

Quote:
If you did not read it, then it's not logical to judge a book while you didn't read it!


Really!? Then It is not logical for you to not believe in anything stated in a book EVER that you have not read ....do you see the fallacy of such a statement?
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 08:08 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49290 wrote:
Excuse me but I only respond to those who bring clear documented proofs from the holy book. You claimed that Allah in the Quran says to kill people who leave Islam. I want you to quote from the Quran where Allah says that.


And I don't respond to holier than thou religous zealots who won't condem the ordering of a killing by an Iman.

But seeing how you were so polite:

Quran: 9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur?an.

In addition, a strong support and explanation to the verse: 9:111 was given by Merciful Allah by the following:

Quran-4:74- Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory (i.e. killed or be killed) - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

Quran-4:95- Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons (sacrifice both life and wealth) than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

Quran-3:169-: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; (Here Allah is saying that those jihadi who dies [commit suicide] is not dead but he will be living with Allah).

Now, I do not believe that anybody can have slightest doubt that the above clear invitations (from Allah) for the ardent fanatical believers can very easily convince the blind pukka (pure) Muslims to become a time-bomb (suicidal) in order to kill infidels/kaffirs?for the cause of Allah! The above verses (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95) are clearly ordering devout Muslims ?to kill and be killed?; that is, Allah is teaching Muslims to sacrifice their own lives (to commit suicide) in His cause (Allah?s cause) in order to kill infidels (enemy of Allah). This single verse (9:111) very precisely justifies suicide bombing?the most lethal, most terrifying, most inhuman and most successful weapon majority Islamic terrorists are using today to kill Allah?s enemies. It is the perfect example (without any ambiguity) of suicidal method Allah has prescribed for devout Muslims. In the verse above (9:111) Islamic Allah clearly saying that: He (Allah) purchased life and property of believers in exchange of lustful and unimaginable lucrative heavenly pleasures for those who will die (commit suicide) for the cause (killing kaffirs) of Allah. After this, Muslims (ardent followers of the Quran) do not need any more killing instructions for their motivation to kill kaffirs/infidels. For good reason we can sum up that the Islamic God (Allah) is the most dangerous deity having unlimited vengeful, cruel, intolerant, intimidating and war-loving blood thirsty divine entity.

But this is not all! Quran is loaded with numerous (killing) verses ordering the ardent followers to carry out endless killing of infidels/unbelievers until only Muslims remain to inhibit this Earth owned by Islamic Allah. Here are some more examples:

Quran-8:39, And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere (in this earth of Allah).

Quran-9:29, Fight those who believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth (Islam), even if they are of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Quran-3:85, ?If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).?

Quran-9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. [Allah?s hatred to those who are reluctant to join Islamic jihad]

Quran-9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

Quran-8:65: ?O Apostle! Rouse the believers to fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a 100 , they will vanquish a 1,000 of the unbelievers..?

Quran-8:66:??.if there are a 100 of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish 2,00, and if a 1,000 , they will vanquish 2,000 (two thousands) with the leave of Allah?? [This fabulous verse was written in the diary of Muhammad Ata the leader of 9/11 terrorists].

Quran-4:78: ?Where ye are, death will find you, even if ye are in Towers, built up strong and tall? (Perhaps Twin towers was meant here?)

Quran-2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

Quran-2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

Quran-5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Quran-4:89? ?They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades (change to other religions), seize them and kill them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-? (Punishment for the apostates).

Quran-9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

Quran-9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. (This verse is a glaring example how much hatreds Islam possess against non-Muslims).

Quran-8:67??It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land?.? (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive)

Quran-8:17?It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God?s?..? (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

Quran: 9:23: "O ye who believe! Take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong". [Quran is asking Muslims even to go against their own father and brothers in respect of religious faith]


Quran: 3:28: ?Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah?

Quran: 5:45: We ordained therein for them: ?Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.? (Does this verse sound humane?)

47:4- ?Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives?: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.?

9:123: ?Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.?

2:191- ?Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.?

8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [Allah is really most merciful]

Holy Qur?an, as we read, is full of heinous, inhuman, and utterly dreadful cruel verses. The main themes of Quranic or scriptural instruction are: pursuance by advice, then by intimidation/coercion, then by force (killing, fighting, maiming etc), and in return plenty of heavenly reward from Allah. We can find hundreds of cruel hateful and utterly inhuman verses throughout the Qur?an. The above Qur?anic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis of 7th century period to kill thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally killed (beheaded) by the Jihadis. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days.

Now, does it take a rocket scientist to understand the source of the fanatical will of those September 11 terrorists? Does it ring the bell from where these Islamic terrorists (all over the world) getting their inspiration and hope? Will our Islamists still say, ?Islam is a religion of peace,? or that ?Qur?an is full of kind and compassionate advises?? Quran tells us to: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), fight them "until they pay the Jizya (a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9:29). "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5), ? kill and be killed; i.e. commit suicide to kill kaffirs ?(9:111).

However, Quran a holy book which is replete with contradictions also contains rare deceptive verses like the following:

Quran-4:29-30: O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: in Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! If any do that rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for Allah.

Quran-5:32- On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Hypocritical Islamists try to use theses (only) two verses above to make an excuse that Allah forbade suicide killing for Muslims, or killing people. Truly, these verses (4:29-30) above only talking about self-destruction (suicide) for no real purpose other than self depression or pains which sometimes human prefers to end his life in order to get relief from pains. This kind of self-killing is prohibited by any religions, society or creeds and is called self-destruction (suicide) without having any ulterior motive or purpose. But this universal suicide has nothing to do with Allah?s call of ?kill and be killed? (Quranic verse-9:111) with the divine purpose (to kill infidels) of serving Allah, as the verse has clearly stated. And the verse (5:32) is purely a deceptive verse used by most hypocrites of Islam to fool the Westerners. This verse was meant to describe historical aspects of Israelites and is nothing to do with the Muslims. Nor does this verse do any abrogation of the hundreds of killing verses came afterwards (while in Medina) to incite random killings (Jihad) of any un-believers by Allah?s soldiers called Muslims. In short holy Quran could be named (undoubtedly) as the supreme manual of intimidation, vengeance, terror, violence, and war against non-Muslims.

Profile of the Islamic Terrorists:

Osama Bin Laden (OBL) and his al-Qaeda jihadis have frequently cited many passages from the Holy Quran to justify their flagrant acts of terrorism around the world. Suicide bombing is the most successful weapon to strike terror in the hearts of the western infidels. In his famous ?fatwa? of declared war against Americans in 1998, terrorist leader OBL has repeatedly used jihadi verses from the Quran (mentioned in this essay) to incite his followers to kill Americans/infidels primarily by the act of suicide bombing. All the 9/11 Islamic terrorists left their private notes (especially Muhammad Ata) citing Quranic killing verses and they all committed suicide to kill American infidels (Kaffirs) 100% according to the Quranic verss-9:111. Not a single time they have ever claimed or mentioned any hadiths as the inciting agent of their killing spree. Israel have had captured numerous would be suicide bombers (who?s detonating did not work in their attempt of suicide bombing) with the suicide belt around them, and they all were interviewed by the western reporters in the Israeli prison cell. All most all of them told the reporters?they wanted to die to kill infidels according to the Quranic instructions to achieve heavenly pleasures with 72 virgin houris. None has ever mentioned anything about hadiths or Sharia laws as their instigator

All the Islamic terrorists arrested by police in Europe (especially in Netherlands such as Van Gogh killing) readily cited Quran as their teacher to commit terrorism in order to kill infidels. In the train terrorism incident at Madrid (Spain) the Islamic terrorists were all longtime resident of Spain (North American and Syrian born) who admitted to police that they were ?inspired by the doctrines (Koran) of Islam? to rise up against their adopted host country to kill 191 Spanish innocent citizen.

Recently, in Bangladesh (a newly infested nation by Islamic jihadis) has experienced an epidemic of bomb blasts by Islamic terrorists of Bangladeshi variety including scores of suicide bombings to kill judges in the various court premises. In such process of suicide bombing attempts, two have been captured by the police. When asked by the reporters why they were going to kill people by suicide method, they have answered: ?We were doing it by the order of Quranic instructions by Allah?. When Bangladesh terrorist leader Maulana Shaikh Rahman and Bangla Bhai have been captured by the police, Maulana Shaikh Rahman said: ?We have done it to establish Allah?s laws in Bangladesh and we were doing it according to the Quran.? Showing one copy of Quran in his hand, he (Maulana) said: ?If I am a terrorist, then Quran also a terrorist?. What could be the more clear evidence that Islamic terrorists are directly getting incitement and encouragement from the holy Quran?

More recently, the 20th hijacker of 9/11 terrorism Zacaria Moussaoui proudly declared in the court: ?I wish I could kill more Americans, because my religion Islam (which is of course Quran) demands that I kill infidels.? Zacaria Moussaoui or any other Islamic terrorists never told that they have been incited by the teaching of ahadiths or Sharia laws alone. In fact, all most all Sharia laws are rooted to the Quran and supported by hadiths.

Point to ponder that life is invaluable and extremely precious to every human (Rich, poor, young, old, sick or even handicapped) and no one wants to die in vain without any real purpose or gains. Only a superior/divine lustful hopes and inspiration due to brainwashing can trigger somebody to take his/her life. Islamic terrorists are definitely inspired by such lustful afterlife. Palestinian young boys and girls of 12-16 do not die just for revenge or to free their motherland. They definitely have the vision of Islamic heavenly pleasures (due to brainwashing) which inspire them to wear a deadly suicide belt around their young and tender bodies. Qur?an is readily available almost in every house of Muslims in general, but books of Hadiths are very rarely available to the ordinary Muslims. General Muslims do not get motivation from the Hadiths, because they do not get chance to read hadiths. Besides, Muslims do not take hadith as seriously as Quranic dictums, and to do something as serious as killing innocent people in exchange (suicide) of own life Muslims surely need Quranic instructions; and for that reason Quran has plenty of it.

Are all the suicide bombings same?

Islamic apologists often argue that suicide bombings for the cause of freedom fighting committed not only by the Muslims, but by many other nations (Tamil, Jews, and Japanese Kamakazies) committed suicide bombings for their own freedom struggle. According to them, Muslims are committing suicide today for their freedom struggle. Therefore, suicide bombings by Muslim youths have nothing to do with Islam! Most prudent question can be asked here: Are all those past suicide bombings same as Islamic suicide bombings today? Are their pattern same? Let us examine:

Those so called Tamil Tiger, Jews or Japanese Kamakazis may have used technique of suicide bombings very rarely as their desperate quest only to free their own motherland, and their suicide acts were absolutely limited to their own land targeting soldiers, leaders and not innocent civilians. Tamil, Jews, Kamakazies or IRA never blasted bombs in other countries outside their own geographic boundary; they only primarily did blast bombs within their own border. Rarely, isolated single bomb in the vicinity of their border, such as Tamil?s killing Razib Ghandi for his support of Sri Lankan Government. But they never ever came to America, Britain, Spain, Indonesia, Tanzania, Uganda, Yemen, Saudi Arabia etc. to blast suicide bombs inside restaurants, bus, train, metro, ocean beaches, tourist resorts etc. None of those above did suicide bombings throughout the whole world globally like those Islamists vigorously doing it today. How many Tamil blasted suicide bomb in Europe or America? Was there any global jihadi phenomenon of suicide bombings by Tamil Tigers like those Islamists?

Islamists also now telling us that those Muslim youths blasting their jihadi suicide bombs only to take revenge for Iraq war. As if, before Iraq war Islamic jihadis were very gentle and were sitting idle. May I ask why those Islamic jihadis were blasting bombs relentlessly at US military camps in Saudi Arabia , American Embassies in Tanzania , Uganda , Pakistan , Nairobi and elsewhere, much before Iraq war? Why they killed more than 3000 innocent civilians in WTC? Why they bombed US ship at Yemen? Why they bombed US barrack at Beirut? Was their Iraq war then?

Conclusion:

Quite obviously, the cause of Islamic fanaticism, zealotry and suicide terrorism is rooted in the Holy Qur?an (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95). Terrorists like Osama bin Laden and others are the victims of Quranic scriptural immoral teachings. They believe Quran by their hearts and try to follow the Quran in Toto! But the general born Muslims do not follow Quran at all, and that is why they believe in their own peaceful illusionary vision of Islam, which never existed in the history of Islam.

However, the zeal of Islamic fanaticism could have energized by the Middle East Political situation of Palestine and Israel. But this has also much to do with their inherent hatred towards Jews and other non-Muslims which they have acquired primarily from the teachings of Quran and some supports from hadiths in the Madrasshas in their early lives.

Osama bin Laden is the true Muslim who follows Quran and hadiths in ?Toto? and this hero of Muslim interprets Quranic verses and hadiths as per the needs of Islamic Umma, and of course, as per the real spirit of medieval Islam. In fact, gullible Muslims consider OBL as the mirror image of Prophet Muhammd and many things about him (OBL) are 100% compatible with the life and deeds of Islamic prophet Muhammad. That is why true Muslims (Maulanas, Mullahs, Madrassha students [Talibans], all leaders of Islamic political parties) of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and other Muslim countries are supporting Osama and his host, Talibans of Afghanistan. It?s totally irrelevant and useless to claim that Osama, al-Qaeda terrorists and Talibans are not true Muslims, or they are Muslims by their distorted views of Islam! Actually, they are the real Muslims, and they are the Muslims by the book. All others so called progressive Muslims (living in the western comfort) are simply Muslims by virtue of their birth in a Muslim family.

Time has arrived now to identify and intervening the real cause of this ancient medieval stupidity. Real problem is with the ancient Bedouin teachings of Islam (read Qur?an) which are outdated and no longer fitting the today?s civilized world. Islamic terrorism is the giant problem of entire mankind today and fanatic Muslims are the zombies at the hands of immoral Quarnic teachings. How can one cure a body by keeping the cancerous lesion inside the body? Nothing can change this precarious situation of Muslims unless we realize the real problem (read Quran) and take care of it. Finally, let me close this essay by a famous quotation.

?Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.?-- by Nobel Laureate physicist Steven Weinberg:



Literatures:

1. The Holy Qur?an, Translated by A. Yousuf Ali, Published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, 1983

2. Holy Qur?an, Translated in Bengali by Ahmadiya Muslim Centenary Publication of Bangladesh, 4 Bakshi Bazar road, Dhaka, 1992

3. Holy Qur?an, Bengali translation by Maulana Muhiuddin khan, Khademu Harmain Sharifain, Saudi Arabia, Madina Mannwara, 1413 Hijri.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 06:25 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;49326 wrote:
And I don't respond to holier than thou religous zealots who won't condem the ordering of a killing by an Iman.

But seeing how you were so polite:

Quran: 9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur?an.

In addition, a strong support and explanation to the verse: 9:111 was given by Merciful Allah by the following:

Quran-4:74- Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory (i.e. killed or be killed) - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

Quran-4:95- Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons (sacrifice both life and wealth) than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

Quran-3:169-: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; (Here Allah is saying that those jihadi who dies [commit suicide] is not dead but he will be living with Allah).

Now, I do not believe that anybody can have slightest doubt that the above clear invitations (from Allah) for the ardent fanatical believers can very easily convince the blind pukka (pure) Muslims to become a time-bomb (suicidal) in order to kill infidels/kaffirs?for the cause of Allah! The above verses (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95) are clearly ordering devout Muslims ?to kill and be killed?; that is, Allah is teaching Muslims to sacrifice their own lives (to commit suicide) in His cause (Allah?s cause) in order to kill infidels (enemy of Allah). This single verse (9:111) very precisely justifies suicide bombing?the most lethal, most terrifying, most inhuman and most successful weapon majority Islamic terrorists are using today to kill Allah?s enemies. It is the perfect example (without any ambiguity) of suicidal method Allah has prescribed for devout Muslims. In the verse above (9:111) Islamic Allah clearly saying that: He (Allah) purchased life and property of believers in exchange of lustful and unimaginable lucrative heavenly pleasures for those who will die (commit suicide) for the cause (killing kaffirs) of Allah. After this, Muslims (ardent followers of the Quran) do not need any more killing instructions for their motivation to kill kaffirs/infidels. For good reason we can sum up that the Islamic God (Allah) is the most dangerous deity having unlimited vengeful, cruel, intolerant, intimidating and war-loving blood thirsty divine entity.

But this is not all! Quran is loaded with numerous (killing) verses ordering the ardent followers to carry out endless killing of infidels/unbelievers until only Muslims remain to inhibit this Earth owned by Islamic Allah. Here are some more examples:

Quran-8:39, And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere (in this earth of Allah).

Quran-9:29, Fight those who believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth (Islam), even if they are of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Quran-3:85, ?If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).?

Quran-9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. [Allah?s hatred to those who are reluctant to join Islamic jihad]

Quran-9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

Quran-8:65: ?O Apostle! Rouse the believers to fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a 100 , they will vanquish a 1,000 of the unbelievers..?

Quran-8:66:??.if there are a 100 of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish 2,00, and if a 1,000 , they will vanquish 2,000 (two thousands) with the leave of Allah?? [This fabulous verse was written in the diary of Muhammad Ata the leader of 9/11 terrorists].

Quran-4:78: ?Where ye are, death will find you, even if ye are in Towers, built up strong and tall? (Perhaps Twin towers was meant here?)

Quran-2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

Quran-2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

Quran-5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Quran-4:89? ?They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades (change to other religions), seize them and kill them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-? (Punishment for the apostates).

Quran-9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

Quran-9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. (This verse is a glaring example how much hatreds Islam possess against non-Muslims).

Quran-8:67??It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land?.? (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive)

Quran-8:17?It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God?s?..? (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

Quran: 9:23: "O ye who believe! Take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong". [Quran is asking Muslims even to go against their own father and brothers in respect of religious faith]


Quran: 3:28: ?Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah?

Quran: 5:45: We ordained therein for them: ?Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.? (Does this verse sound humane?)

47:4- ?Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives?: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.?

9:123: ?Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.?

2:191- ?Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.?

8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [Allah is really most merciful]

Holy Qur?an, as we read, is full of heinous, inhuman, and utterly dreadful cruel verses. The main themes of Quranic or scriptural instruction are: pursuance by advice, then by intimidation/coercion, then by force (killing, fighting, maiming etc), and in return plenty of heavenly reward from Allah. We can find hundreds of cruel hateful and utterly inhuman verses throughout the Qur?an. The above Qur?anic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis of 7th century period to kill thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally killed (beheaded) by the Jihadis. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days.

Now, does it take a rocket scientist to understand the source of the fanatical will of those September 11 terrorists? Does it ring the bell from where these Islamic terrorists (all over the world) getting their inspiration and hope? Will our Islamists still say, ?Islam is a religion of peace,? or that ?Qur?an is full of kind and compassionate advises?? Quran tells us to: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), fight them "until they pay the Jizya (a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9:29). "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5), ? kill and be killed; i.e. commit suicide to kill kaffirs ?(9:111).

However, Quran a holy book which is replete with contradictions also contains rare deceptive verses like the following:

Quran-4:29-30: O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: in Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! If any do that rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for Allah.

Quran-5:32- On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Hypocritical Islamists try to use theses (only) two verses above to make an excuse that Allah forbade suicide killing for Muslims, or killing people. Truly, these verses (4:29-30) above only talking about self-destruction (suicide) for no real purpose other than self depression or pains which sometimes human prefers to end his life in order to get relief from pains. This kind of self-killing is prohibited by any religions, society or creeds and is called self-destruction (suicide) without having any ulterior motive or purpose. But this universal suicide has nothing to do with Allah?s call of ?kill and be killed? (Quranic verse-9:111) with the divine purpose (to kill infidels) of serving Allah, as the verse has clearly stated. And the verse (5:32) is purely a deceptive verse used by most hypocrites of Islam to fool the Westerners. This verse was meant to describe historical aspects of Israelites and is nothing to do with the Muslims. Nor does this verse do any abrogation of the hundreds of killing verses came afterwards (while in Medina) to incite random killings (Jihad) of any un-believers by Allah?s soldiers called Muslims. In short holy Quran could be named (undoubtedly) as the supreme manual of intimidation, vengeance, terror, violence, and war against non-Muslims.

Profile of the Islamic Terrorists:

Osama Bin Laden (OBL) and his al-Qaeda jihadis have frequently cited many passages from the Holy Quran to justify their flagrant acts of terrorism around the world. Suicide bombing is the most successful weapon to strike terror in the hearts of the western infidels. In his famous ?fatwa? of declared war against Americans in 1998, terrorist leader OBL has repeatedly used jihadi verses from the Quran (mentioned in this essay) to incite his followers to kill Americans/infidels primarily by the act of suicide bombing. All the 9/11 Islamic terrorists left their private notes (especially Muhammad Ata) citing Quranic killing verses and they all committed suicide to kill American infidels (Kaffirs) 100% according to the Quranic verss-9:111. Not a single time they have ever claimed or mentioned any hadiths as the inciting agent of their killing spree. Israel have had captured numerous would be suicide bombers (who?s detonating did not work in their attempt of suicide bombing) with the suicide belt around them, and they all were interviewed by the western reporters in the Israeli prison cell. All most all of them told the reporters?they wanted to die to kill infidels according to the Quranic instructions to achieve heavenly pleasures with 72 virgin houris. None has ever mentioned anything about hadiths or Sharia laws as their instigator

All the Islamic terrorists arrested by police in Europe (especially in Netherlands such as Van Gogh killing) readily cited Quran as their teacher to commit terrorism in order to kill infidels. In the train terrorism incident at Madrid (Spain) the Islamic terrorists were all longtime resident of Spain (North American and Syrian born) who admitted to police that they were ?inspired by the doctrines (Koran) of Islam? to rise up against their adopted host country to kill 191 Spanish innocent citizen.

Recently, in Bangladesh (a newly infested nation by Islamic jihadis) has experienced an epidemic of bomb blasts by Islamic terrorists of Bangladeshi variety including scores of suicide bombings to kill judges in the various court premises. In such process of suicide bombing attempts, two have been captured by the police. When asked by the reporters why they were going to kill people by suicide method, they have answered: ?We were doing it by the order of Quranic instructions by Allah?. When Bangladesh terrorist leader Maulana Shaikh Rahman and Bangla Bhai have been captured by the police, Maulana Shaikh Rahman said: ?We have done it to establish Allah?s laws in Bangladesh and we were doing it according to the Quran.? Showing one copy of Quran in his hand, he (Maulana) said: ?If I am a terrorist, then Quran also a terrorist?. What could be the more clear evidence that Islamic terrorists are directly getting incitement and encouragement from the holy Quran?

More recently, the 20th hijacker of 9/11 terrorism Zacaria Moussaoui proudly declared in the court: ?I wish I could kill more Americans, because my religion Islam (which is of course Quran) demands that I kill infidels.? Zacaria Moussaoui or any other Islamic terrorists never told that they have been incited by the teaching of ahadiths or Sharia laws alone. In fact, all most all Sharia laws are rooted to the Quran and supported by hadiths.

Point to ponder that life is invaluable and extremely precious to every human (Rich, poor, young, old, sick or even handicapped) and no one wants to die in vain without any real purpose or gains. Only a superior/divine lustful hopes and inspiration due to brainwashing can trigger somebody to take his/her life. Islamic terrorists are definitely inspired by such lustful afterlife. Palestinian young boys and girls of 12-16 do not die just for revenge or to free their motherland. They definitely have the vision of Islamic heavenly pleasures (due to brainwashing) which inspire them to wear a deadly suicide belt around their young and tender bodies. Qur?an is readily available almost in every house of Muslims in general, but books of Hadiths are very rarely available to the ordinary Muslims. General Muslims do not get motivation from the Hadiths, because they do not get chance to read hadiths. Besides, Muslims do not take hadith as seriously as Quranic dictums, and to do something as serious as killing innocent people in exchange (suicide) of own life Muslims surely need Quranic instructions; and for that reason Quran has plenty of it.

Are all the suicide bombings same?

Islamic apologists often argue that suicide bombings for the cause of freedom fighting committed not only by the Muslims, but by many other nations (Tamil, Jews, and Japanese Kamakazies) committed suicide bombings for their own freedom struggle. According to them, Muslims are committing suicide today for their freedom struggle. Therefore, suicide bombings by Muslim youths have nothing to do with Islam! Most prudent question can be asked here: Are all those past suicide bombings same as Islamic suicide bombings today? Are their pattern same? Let us examine:

Those so called Tamil Tiger, Jews or Japanese Kamakazis may have used technique of suicide bombings very rarely as their desperate quest only to free their own motherland, and their suicide acts were absolutely limited to their own land targeting soldiers, leaders and not innocent civilians. Tamil, Jews, Kamakazies or IRA never blasted bombs in other countries outside their own geographic boundary; they only primarily did blast bombs within their own border. Rarely, isolated single bomb in the vicinity of their border, such as Tamil?s killing Razib Ghandi for his support of Sri Lankan Government. But they never ever came to America, Britain, Spain, Indonesia, Tanzania, Uganda, Yemen, Saudi Arabia etc. to blast suicide bombs inside restaurants, bus, train, metro, ocean beaches, tourist resorts etc. None of those above did suicide bombings throughout the whole world globally like those Islamists vigorously doing it today. How many Tamil blasted suicide bomb in Europe or America? Was there any global jihadi phenomenon of suicide bombings by Tamil Tigers like those Islamists?

Islamists also now telling us that those Muslim youths blasting their jihadi suicide bombs only to take revenge for Iraq war. As if, before Iraq war Islamic jihadis were very gentle and were sitting idle. May I ask why those Islamic jihadis were blasting bombs relentlessly at US military camps in Saudi Arabia , American Embassies in Tanzania , Uganda , Pakistan , Nairobi and elsewhere, much before Iraq war? Why they killed more than 3000 innocent civilians in WTC? Why they bombed US ship at Yemen? Why they bombed US barrack at Beirut? Was their Iraq war then?

Conclusion:

Quite obviously, the cause of Islamic fanaticism, zealotry and suicide terrorism is rooted in the Holy Qur?an (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95). Terrorists like Osama bin Laden and others are the victims of Quranic scriptural immoral teachings. They believe Quran by their hearts and try to follow the Quran in Toto! But the general born Muslims do not follow Quran at all, and that is why they believe in their own peaceful illusionary vision of Islam, which never existed in the history of Islam.

However, the zeal of Islamic fanaticism could have energized by the Middle East Political situation of Palestine and Israel. But this has also much to do with their inherent hatred towards Jews and other non-Muslims which they have acquired primarily from the teachings of Quran and some supports from hadiths in the Madrasshas in their early lives.

Osama bin Laden is the true Muslim who follows Quran and hadiths in ?Toto? and this hero of Muslim interprets Quranic verses and hadiths as per the needs of Islamic Umma, and of course, as per the real spirit of medieval Islam. In fact, gullible Muslims consider OBL as the mirror image of Prophet Muhammd and many things about him (OBL) are 100% compatible with the life and deeds of Islamic prophet Muhammad. That is why true Muslims (Maulanas, Mullahs, Madrassha students [Talibans], all leaders of Islamic political parties) of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and other Muslim countries are supporting Osama and his host, Talibans of Afghanistan. It?s totally irrelevant and useless to claim that Osama, al-Qaeda terrorists and Talibans are not true Muslims, or they are Muslims by their distorted views of Islam! Actually, they are the real Muslims, and they are the Muslims by the book. All others so called progressive Muslims (living in the western comfort) are simply Muslims by virtue of their birth in a Muslim family.

Time has arrived now to identify and intervening the real cause of this ancient medieval stupidity. Real problem is with the ancient Bedouin teachings of Islam (read Qur?an) which are outdated and no longer fitting the today?s civilized world. Islamic terrorism is the giant problem of entire mankind today and fanatic Muslims are the zombies at the hands of immoral Quarnic teachings. How can one cure a body by keeping the cancerous lesion inside the body? Nothing can change this precarious situation of Muslims unless we realize the real problem (read Quran) and take care of it. Finally, let me close this essay by a famous quotation.

?Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.?-- by Nobel Laureate physicist Steven Weinberg:



Literatures:

1. The Holy Qur?an, Translated by A. Yousuf Ali, Published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, 1983

2. Holy Qur?an, Translated in Bengali by Ahmadiya Muslim Centenary Publication of Bangladesh, 4 Bakshi Bazar road, Dhaka, 1992

3. Holy Qur?an, Bengali translation by Maulana Muhiuddin khan, Khademu Harmain Sharifain, Saudi Arabia, Madina Mannwara, 1413 Hijri.



I just wanted to expose your ignorance and how much pathetic and shallow some people who sit behind the keyboards and write nonsense lies against Islam and blindly copy from anti-Islam deceiving websites that only contain hate and lies, exactly like what you have just done.


For all those decent people who want to check that this person 'Numpty' has no slight idea about what he says or claims, this is the anti-Islam website where he Literally copied this long article which is full of LIEs and he just blindly pasted it here! and this website (check it for yourself and compare word by word with what 'Numpty' pasted) Islam Watch - "Qur'an is the Primary Manual of Islamic Suicide Terrorism" by Syed Kamran Mirza


However, the most important and the funny part, despite he copied and pasted this long long deceptive article but there is NO single verse in what he blindly copied where ALLAH says that any Muslim who leaves Islam to another religion must be killed!! He failed to find any single verse to back up his original claim
Numpty
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 03:50 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49375 wrote:
I just wanted to expose your ignorance and how much pathetic and shallow some people who sit behind the keyboards and write nonsense lies against Islam and blindly copy from anti-Islam deceiving websites that only contain hate and lies, exactly like what you have just done.


For all those decent people who want to check that this person 'Numpty' has no slight idea about what he says or claims, this is the anti-Islam website where he Literally copied this long article which is full of LIEs and he just blindly pasted it here! and this website (check it for yourself and compare word by word with what 'Numpty' pasted) Islam Watch - "Qur'an is the Primary Manual of Islamic Suicide Terrorism" by Syed Kamran Mirza


However, the most important and the funny part, despite he copied and pasted this long long deceptive article but there is NO single verse in what he blindly copied where ALLAH says that any Muslim who leaves Islam to another religion must be killed!! He failed to find any single verse to back up his original claim


So if that is the case do you openly condem the Iman for ordering the killing of his daughter?

Do you think this lady should be killed for leaving Islam to go to christianity?

What is your personal opinon on people who leave Islam?

I can conceed to apoint that it is not written word for word,...however why is it that if someone so much as says one word which is negative towards mohammed there are baying mobs outside their door. Why was an English teacher sentenced to 200 lashes for naming a teddy bear mohammed (surely a truely sinful crime). Only intervention from the LEADER of the country prevented the crime.

whether it was copied and pasted is irrelevent,..I read the passage in it's entirety,..did you?

The site is anti muslim, granted, however I thought it rather pertinant that it was inded created by former muslims followers. NOT CHRISTIANS.

Please do not see this as a personal attack on Islam, I despise all faith based religions, yours has no special dislike for me, all are equally open to ridicule.

As you can see many of the writers are of Islamic descent.

Faith Freedom International :: Only Truth can set us free!

Should these people be killed for blaspheming Allah and Mohammed? They are now the unclean are they not?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 09:44 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;49380 wrote:
So if that is the case do you openly condem the Iman for ordering the killing of his daughter?

Do you think this lady should be killed for leaving Islam to go to christianity?

What is your personal opinon on people who leave Islam?

I can conceed to apoint that it is not written word for word,...however why is it that if someone so much as says one word which is negative towards mohammed there are baying mobs outside their door. Why was an English teacher sentenced to 200 lashes for naming a teddy bear mohammed (surely a truely sinful crime). Only intervention from the LEADER of the country prevented the crime.

whether it was copied and pasted is irrelevent,..I read the passage in it's entirety,..did you?

The site is anti muslim, granted, however I thought it rather pertinant that it was inded created by former muslims followers. NOT CHRISTIANS.

Please do not see this as a personal attack on Islam, I despise all faith based religions, yours has no special dislike for me, all are equally open to ridicule.

As you can see many of the writers are of Islamic descent.

Faith Freedom International :: Only Truth can set us free!

Should these people be killed for blaspheming Allah and Mohammed? They are now the unclean are they not?


I am done with you. I don't waste my time to argue with someone who doesn't know about what he talks about but rather he blindly copy lies from hate anti-Islam websites and paste them here and then ask me to spend my time answering their lies while you -yourself- do not have a clue about them.

First, educate yourself, read, investigate and do your homework before you throw false nonsense allegations.

I can help you if you like by providing you with some authentic Islamic websites you can look at instead of using anti-Islam hate websites as sources for your information about Islam.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 10:13 am
@SWORD of GOD,
Sword, will you not answer my questions?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:56 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;49383 wrote:
Sword, will you not answer my questions?


I asked you my question first but you never answered it. Have you read the Quran yourself? yes or no. I just want this very simple answer: Yes or No.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 01:18 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
[SIZE="3"]This is the Story of Jesus (PBUH) as Revealed by ALLAH in the Noble Quran[/SIZE]


{Quran 3: 42-62}:

[42] And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the 'Alam?n (mankind and jinn) (of her lifetime)."

[43] O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allah, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irk?'i (bow down) along with Ar-R?ki'?n (those who bow down)."

[44] This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We reveal to you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.

[45] (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ("Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Isa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)) from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Isa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."

[46] "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."

[47] She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" - and it is.

[48] And He (Allah) will teach him ('Isa (Jesus)) the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom), (and) the Taur?t (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).

[49] And will make him ('Isa (Jesus)) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.

[50] And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taur?t (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me.

[51] Truly! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.

[52] Then when 'Isa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Haw?ri?n (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."

[53] Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger ('Isa (Jesus)) so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. L? il?ha illall?h - none has the right to be worshipped but Allah).

[54] And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill 'Isa (Jesus) peace be upon him), and Allah plotted too. And All?h is the Best of those who plot.

[55] And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Isa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of the forged statement that 'Isa (Jesus) is Allah's son) of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad (peace be upon him) 'Isa (Jesus), M?s? (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taur?t (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Quran) till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

[56] "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

[57] And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah) and do righteous good deeds, Allah will pay them their reward in full. And Allah does not like the Z?lim?n (polytheists and wrong-doers).

[58] This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) of the Verses and the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Quran).

[59] Verily, the likeness of 'Isa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.

[60] (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.

[61] Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ('Isa (Jesus)) after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, (i.e. 'Isa (Jesus)) being a slave of Allah, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allah upon those who lie."

62] Verily! This is the true narrative (about the story of 'Isa (Jesus)), and, L? il?ha ill-All?h (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a son). And indeed, Allah is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 03:05 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49387 wrote:
I asked you my question first but you never answered it. Have you read the Quran yourself? yes or no. I just want this very simple answer: Yes or No.


no

now answer my questions!
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Numpty
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 03:12 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49382 wrote:
I am done with you. I don't waste my time to argue with someone who doesn't know about what he talks about but rather he blindly copy lies from hate anti-Islam websites and paste them here and then ask me to spend my time answering their lies while you -yourself- do not have a clue about them.

First, educate yourself, read, investigate and do your homework before you throw false nonsense allegations.

I can help you if you like by providing you with some authentic Islamic websites you can look at instead of using anti-Islam hate websites as sources for your information about Islam.


Fine,.if you are done with me, so be it. Merry Christmas, and have a very prosperous new year.

Edit- Actually, nah bollocks to that, provide the sites and I will read them, Answer my questions and I will answer any you put before me,..honestly and truthfully.

Oh and as before,..Merry Christmas and a happy new year.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 06:03 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;49392 wrote:
Fine,.if you are done with me, so be it. Merry Christmas, and have a very prosperous new year.

Edit- Actually, nah bollocks to that, provide the sites and I will read them, Answer my questions and I will answer any you put before me,..honestly and truthfully.

Oh and as before,..Merry Christmas and a happy new year.


Thanks but we don't celeberate your Christmas and new year. By the way, Jesus (peace be upon him) in fact was born in summer. And how an atheist celeberate the birth of Jesus!

I just want to direct you attention, that if you wanna ask about Islam, it's better to open a new thread because this one was initiated to debate with christians (and maybe jews too) about their Bible.

Have many dreams.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 06:52 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
Here is a question for you that might make you -Christians- go and read your bible:


Jesus was talking to the Jews when he said to them:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
"And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.

[ Matthew 21:43-45 ]


What's that non-jewish NATION which would be given the KINGDOM OF GOD !?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 09:51 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49395 wrote:
Here is a question for you that might make you -Christians- go and read your bible:


Jesus was talking to the Jews when he said to them:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
"And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.

[ Matthew 21:43-45 ]


What's that non-jewish NATION which would be given the KINGDOM OF GOD !?


Numpty and myself have already explicity expressed that we are not christians!
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 09:55 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
I answered you question sword, I have not read the Qu'ran, now will you answer mine?

Have you read the Vedas, the Talmud, the book of the dead, the holy granth, papyrus of anep, Tablets of Bah?'u'll?h, Dianetics, the book of mormon?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 09:01 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;49400 wrote:
Numpty and myself have already explicity expressed that we are not christians!


This thread was initiated only to debate with Christians not with atheists or other faiths. So, my posts and questions were/are not addressed to you.
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