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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 10:18 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49209 wrote:
Have you read the Noble Quran yourself ?

If yes, then provide evidences to pack up your accusations from the Quran, (Not blindly copy from anti-Islam hate websites).

If you did not read it, then it's not logical to judge a book while you didn't read it!

The wise person will first read and investigate by himself before throwing easy accusations out of ignorance.

Have a nice day.


Have you read the Vedas? The Talmud? The book of the dead? The Granth? Dianetics? etc...

I am not stating that the Qu'ran is wrong i am simply saying there is no more reason to believe it over any of the various other religions.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 07:03 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;49219 wrote:
Have you read the Vedas? The Talmud? The book of the dead? The Granth? Dianetics? etc...

I am not stating that the Qu'ran is wrong i am simply saying there is no more reason to believe it over any of the various other religions.


You did not answer my question!

Have you read the Noble Quran yourself ?

If yes, then provide evidences to pack up your accusations from the Quran, (Not blindly copy from anti-Islam hate websites).

If you did not read it, then it's not logical to judge a book while you didn't read it!

The wise person will first read and investigate by himself before throwing easy accusations out of ignorance.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 07:06 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;49218 wrote:
Question Mr Sword of God,...Recently in the UK a 31 year old woman who's father is an Iman recently converted to Christianity. She has had death threats from her family and her own father went around her house with a baying mob of 30+ people, they were only prevented from carrying out the murder of this lady because the police intervined.Her hather has publicly declared his daughter should be killed

She now has a direct link the the local police and has police protection assigned to her.

As the quoran states those who leave Islam are to be killed. Do you agree that inorder to adhere to mohammeds teachings you must kill people who leave Islam?

Should this women be killed?


First, I must ask you to quote where in the Quran Allah says kill people who leave Islam!

Quote from Quran and post it here before you ask your question. Do your homework!

But I can quote from your own bible where the biblical God orders to kill who choose a different religion:

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

Jesus said : " But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY THEM BEFORE me. " ( LUKE 19:27)
Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 10:02 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49231 wrote:
First, I must ask you to quote where in the Quran Allah says kill people who leave Islam!

Quote from Quran and post it here before you ask your question. Do your homework!

But I can quote from your own bible where the biblical God orders to kill who choose a different religion:

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

Jesus said : " But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY THEM BEFORE me. " ( LUKE 19:27)


You really don't listen sometimes,.I have already told you I am an Athiest, All belief in any religion is irrational and delusional.

I will find your evidence,

But do you think she should be killed?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 04:27 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;49237 wrote:
You really don't listen sometimes,.I have already told you I am an Athiest, All belief in any religion is irrational and delusional.

I will find your evidence,

But do you think she should be killed?


Excuse me but I only respond to those who bring clear documented proofs from the holy book. You claimed that Allah in the Quran says to kill people who leave Islam. I want you to quote from the Quran where Allah says that.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 10:37 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49230 wrote:
You did not answer my question!



you did not answer mine!

Quote:
Have you read the Noble Quran yourself ?


Have you read the Vedas? The Talmud? The book of the dead? The Granth? Dianetics? I will answer your question when you answer mine. My point being you don't have to read a book to not believe it.


Quote:
If yes, then provide evidences to pack up your accusations from the Quran, (Not blindly copy from anti-Islam hate websites).


I am not Anti-Islamic nor do i get sources from Anti-Islamic sites, I am adimately against hate, I have been defending Muslims from prejudice and hate more than you know!

Quote:
If you did not read it, then it's not logical to judge a book while you didn't read it!


Really!? Then It is not logical for you to not believe in anything stated in a book EVER that you have not read ....do you see the fallacy of such a statement?
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Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 08:08 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49290 wrote:
Excuse me but I only respond to those who bring clear documented proofs from the holy book. You claimed that Allah in the Quran says to kill people who leave Islam. I want you to quote from the Quran where Allah says that.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 06:25 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;49326 wrote:



I just wanted to expose your ignorance and how much pathetic and shallow some people who sit behind the keyboards and write nonsense lies against Islam and blindly copy from anti-Islam deceiving websites that only contain hate and lies, exactly like what you have just done.


For all those decent people who want to check that this person 'Numpty' has no slight idea about what he says or claims, this is the anti-Islam website where he Literally copied this long article which is full of LIEs and he just blindly pasted it here! and this website (check it for yourself and compare word by word with what 'Numpty' pasted) Islam Watch - "Qur'an is the Primary Manual of Islamic Suicide Terrorism" by Syed Kamran Mirza


However, the most important and the funny part, despite he copied and pasted this long long deceptive article but there is NO single verse in what he blindly copied where ALLAH says that any Muslim who leaves Islam to another religion must be killed!! He failed to find any single verse to back up his original claim
Numpty
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 03:50 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49375 wrote:
I just wanted to expose your ignorance and how much pathetic and shallow some people who sit behind the keyboards and write nonsense lies against Islam and blindly copy from anti-Islam deceiving websites that only contain hate and lies, exactly like what you have just done.


For all those decent people who want to check that this person 'Numpty' has no slight idea about what he says or claims, this is the anti-Islam website where he Literally copied this long article which is full of LIEs and he just blindly pasted it here! and this website (check it for yourself and compare word by word with what 'Numpty' pasted) Islam Watch - "Qur'an is the Primary Manual of Islamic Suicide Terrorism" by Syed Kamran Mirza


However, the most important and the funny part, despite he copied and pasted this long long deceptive article but there is NO single verse in what he blindly copied where ALLAH says that any Muslim who leaves Islam to another religion must be killed!! He failed to find any single verse to back up his original claim


So if that is the case do you openly condem the Iman for ordering the killing of his daughter?

Do you think this lady should be killed for leaving Islam to go to christianity?

What is your personal opinon on people who leave Islam?

I can conceed to apoint that it is not written word for word,...however why is it that if someone so much as says one word which is negative towards mohammed there are baying mobs outside their door. Why was an English teacher sentenced to 200 lashes for naming a teddy bear mohammed (surely a truely sinful crime). Only intervention from the LEADER of the country prevented the crime.

whether it was copied and pasted is irrelevent,..I read the passage in it's entirety,..did you?

The site is anti muslim, granted, however I thought it rather pertinant that it was inded created by former muslims followers. NOT CHRISTIANS.

Please do not see this as a personal attack on Islam, I despise all faith based religions, yours has no special dislike for me, all are equally open to ridicule.

As you can see many of the writers are of Islamic descent.

Faith Freedom International :: Only Truth can set us free!

Should these people be killed for blaspheming Allah and Mohammed? They are now the unclean are they not?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 09:44 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;49380 wrote:
So if that is the case do you openly condem the Iman for ordering the killing of his daughter?

Do you think this lady should be killed for leaving Islam to go to christianity?

What is your personal opinon on people who leave Islam?

I can conceed to apoint that it is not written word for word,...however why is it that if someone so much as says one word which is negative towards mohammed there are baying mobs outside their door. Why was an English teacher sentenced to 200 lashes for naming a teddy bear mohammed (surely a truely sinful crime). Only intervention from the LEADER of the country prevented the crime.

whether it was copied and pasted is irrelevent,..I read the passage in it's entirety,..did you?

The site is anti muslim, granted, however I thought it rather pertinant that it was inded created by former muslims followers. NOT CHRISTIANS.

Please do not see this as a personal attack on Islam, I despise all faith based religions, yours has no special dislike for me, all are equally open to ridicule.

As you can see many of the writers are of Islamic descent.

Faith Freedom International :: Only Truth can set us free!

Should these people be killed for blaspheming Allah and Mohammed? They are now the unclean are they not?


I am done with you. I don't waste my time to argue with someone who doesn't know about what he talks about but rather he blindly copy lies from hate anti-Islam websites and paste them here and then ask me to spend my time answering their lies while you -yourself- do not have a clue about them.

First, educate yourself, read, investigate and do your homework before you throw false nonsense allegations.

I can help you if you like by providing you with some authentic Islamic websites you can look at instead of using anti-Islam hate websites as sources for your information about Islam.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 10:13 am
@SWORD of GOD,
Sword, will you not answer my questions?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:56 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;49383 wrote:
Sword, will you not answer my questions?


I asked you my question first but you never answered it. Have you read the Quran yourself? yes or no. I just want this very simple answer: Yes or No.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 01:18 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
[SIZE="3"]This is the Story of Jesus (PBUH) as Revealed by ALLAH in the Noble Quran[/SIZE]


{Quran 3: 42-62}:
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 03:05 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49387 wrote:
I asked you my question first but you never answered it. Have you read the Quran yourself? yes or no. I just want this very simple answer: Yes or No.


no

now answer my questions!
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Numpty
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 03:12 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49382 wrote:
I am done with you. I don't waste my time to argue with someone who doesn't know about what he talks about but rather he blindly copy lies from hate anti-Islam websites and paste them here and then ask me to spend my time answering their lies while you -yourself- do not have a clue about them.

First, educate yourself, read, investigate and do your homework before you throw false nonsense allegations.

I can help you if you like by providing you with some authentic Islamic websites you can look at instead of using anti-Islam hate websites as sources for your information about Islam.


Fine,.if you are done with me, so be it. Merry Christmas, and have a very prosperous new year.

Edit- Actually, nah bollocks to that, provide the sites and I will read them, Answer my questions and I will answer any you put before me,..honestly and truthfully.

Oh and as before,..Merry Christmas and a happy new year.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 06:03 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;49392 wrote:
Fine,.if you are done with me, so be it. Merry Christmas, and have a very prosperous new year.

Edit- Actually, nah bollocks to that, provide the sites and I will read them, Answer my questions and I will answer any you put before me,..honestly and truthfully.

Oh and as before,..Merry Christmas and a happy new year.


Thanks but we don't celeberate your Christmas and new year. By the way, Jesus (peace be upon him) in fact was born in summer. And how an atheist celeberate the birth of Jesus!

I just want to direct you attention, that if you wanna ask about Islam, it's better to open a new thread because this one was initiated to debate with christians (and maybe jews too) about their Bible.

Have many dreams.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 06:52 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
Here is a question for you that might make you -Christians- go and read your bible:


Jesus was talking to the Jews when he said to them:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
"And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.

[ Matthew 21:43-45 ]


What's that non-jewish NATION which would be given the KINGDOM OF GOD !?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 09:51 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;49395 wrote:
Here is a question for you that might make you -Christians- go and read your bible:


Jesus was talking to the Jews when he said to them:

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
"And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.

[ Matthew 21:43-45 ]


What's that non-jewish NATION which would be given the KINGDOM OF GOD !?


Numpty and myself have already explicity expressed that we are not christians!
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 09:55 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 09:01 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;49400 wrote:
Numpty and myself have already explicity expressed that we are not christians!


This thread was initiated only to debate with Christians not with atheists or other faiths. So, my posts and questions were/are not addressed to you.
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