If Jesus was God ...

And yet there are Moslems and Islamics today who are in countries where the Gospel is not being preached, and Jesus is coming to them through their dreams and telling them to follow Him. Those who are really seeking God will find Him. And even if the Gospel cannot be preached in those countries, Jesus will come to them that seek the true and living God. It appears, Jesus does not care about the surrounding cultures or religious enviroments.

Now you make the false assumption that someone with a "liberal mind" is involved in playing politics. The duality of the liberal mind is a simple concept, one that accepts conclusions from polar opposites without cognation of logic to due such, just emotion. An example would be, as such, Corporal punishment is wrong, placing an open hand across the backside of a "disobeying" child to prevent potential endangerment or harm to others is considered by many liberal minded people as "cruel and unusual" with the potential for future mental impairment. But until that same child's head breaches the birth canal, it is considered a "personal" right of the parent to kill them....and the cognation to reason concludes that this is not cruel and unusual punishment? RD

Yes, yes, yes,....as I said 'EXCEPTION TO THE RULE' geez do you not read.

Does it not make you think that where you live decides your Religion. Do you henestly believe if you were born a Palestinian you would not be Islamic. Sorry....wrong question to the wrong fundamentalist. I know the answer, don't bother replying.

Please forgive me for replying, but God always makes exceptions to the rule. Especially when He sees someone seeking Him. Because those are the one's that God is looking for. No one who really wants God in their life will end up in Hell. The only one's who end up in Hell, are the one's who don't care, and the one's who don't seek Him.

And those that lead good selfless lives that don't believe in the diety that is 'God' and himself /son Jesus. remember they go to hell too.

A truly selfless life, would require one to seek after God. Selfish people seek their own why, and could care less about God. Because it's all about them.

Is it not selfish to choose god before the needs of ones family? i provide for my my family, protect them, love them and cherish them as I am sure you do your family, is that selfish?

If you were really thinking of your family you would choose God first, because God is the one who can help your family the most. Choosing God takes seconds. How much time do you need to choose God?

You are in a debate group are you not? If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!

WOW,..you do make some personal assumptions based on some generic stereotypes.
How I parent my child has nothing to do with subjects we are discussing. If I wasn't such a liberal open minded type of person I may be offended.

Fortunately for you my ability to see both sides of an argument helps me have a broad minded view of the world and not a narrow minded dogmatic, gun totting, negro hating inbread readneck thinking the death penalty is a right society is justified in carrying out. (Just making a point Mr Moderator)

Stereo types are such horrible things and I myself pay no attenion to them. You have made your mind up about me as a person based on a few views I have on a web site that is about 'CONFLICTING VIEWS' we are debating in a section where we are at opposite ends of the spectrum, that much we know.

Now had this site been about parenting we would be on the same 'side' as I have no problem with parents smaking children for the reasons you stated, and on occassion I have resorted to a little smack of the hand to serve as a waring of danger myself.

I vote Conservative which is the equivelent of your Republican party.

It's a shame that the religion you follow and your views of certain stereo types do not allow you to interact with a more vibrant and multi cultural enviroment and people of different ideas than yourself. You might be supprised and enjoy the different impact in your life.

In future I hope we can keep to the subject matter and not attack one anothers families and social interactions.

Regards

You see, the duality of cognation was just presented, when you consider the death of a child as a parenting skill. Death under any circumstance is more than a consideration of ones parenting ability, especially when that death is brought about by the secular semantic rationalization of "declaring" a life as "worthless". Death is the finality of the human stage and by so flippantly dismissing the concept, proves the point of no foundation in the cognative process to rational thought. Some might call this sociopathic in nature, placing one's own interest above all others. Perhaps "liberalism" is a disease, as it seems to be grounded in self-interest. Now that is an argument outside, the bounds of scripts. RD

Oh behave, don't start preaching me into some sort of guilt trip, think of something more constructive. That was a cheap shot and you should be ashamed of yourself. Trying to use my family to blackmail my into accepting Jesus. Has it really come to this? That you would try to use such a tactic on someone less stong willed to get them to join your 'club'.

Truely you have sunk to a low if this is how you boost your congregation.

OMFG!! Nicely side stepped. Appology accepted.

Where in my last post did you get all of that bollocks from, you certainly have a knack have misinterpreting things. Where did I say the death of child is a parenting skill? Would you please highlight the quote in your next post please.

You are certainly not a very forgiving and peacful christian are you.

I debate the truth of the scriptures with evidence offered therein.

So you are only able to defend the truthfulness of a book by quoting the very book that is in question of being fiction?

I do not play by someone others rules. As I said, I defend only my "faith", I shall not attempt to destroy another's with secular humanistic ideology,

i am not asking you to "destroy" anyone's belief, i am asking you to defend you own faith with known facts and evidence.

In fact I find it amusing that some try to disprove what they know knowing about, as proven by the ignorance on the topic.

Really!? I am ignorant because i disagree with you? Are you able to back that claim up? You will find that i am quite educated in the area of religion, shown be the fact the you are running in circles everytime i ask you to provide evidence for any of the number of claims you make!

And thus try to bait people into humanistic argument, grounded only in the pomposity of secular pride. RD

What of theist pride? Are the theists not prideful? And will you define "Humanistic argument" for me?

It is a fact that in many Islamic countries preaching the Gospel is against the law. Yet you can't hide the truth forever. And as these people start to pass on what has happened to them, that truth begins to reach the West. I doubt CNN, ABC, or CBS will be reporting on this, yet there are to many stories already out there to believe this is just a big Christian lie, and now all the Christian religions have all gotten together to push this lie.

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There you go trying to bait again, I am not bitting. What I defend is my "faith" and the truth of the Scripture. As I said faith is an "individual" concept of belief, and requires no proof as it is an example of believing in the things hoped for. What I defend in the scriptures are the "ignorant" misrepresentations of the content thereof, when the context of the message is subverted by picking single verses away from the whole subject matter that is being presented. And as I also said, all I can do is present the truth as written, whether you want to accept it or not is a personal matter, and is "Your" concern, not mine, as it is written when anyone fails to accept the truth that God presents they are proud, and destined to live out their life without truth, again their choice. In other words I feel no need to offer any debate outside the truth contained in scripture, as it is irrelevant to my salvation, as what you believe does not effect my faith or life, only "YOURS". RD

You seem to assume that just because preaching the "Gosphel" is against the law that means it doesn't happen!

I did not assume anything, you are assuming that I think preaching the Gospel never happens. I never even suggested that. Yet if you read the accounts of Christians in some of the Islamic countires, you will soon understand that a Christian could very quickly lose his life for doing so.
So it is a fact, you will not see to many churches in many of the Islamic countries. Remember, before the crusades began, Islamics killed off half of the Christians in the world.

no, it was you that said that someone learned about jesus without any outside reference, and yet when i ask you to prove it you simply state that is illegal to preach the gosphel in that country, but now you say that doesn't mean preaching the gosphel doesn't happen but if thats true then how does that prove your original statement?