If Jesus was God ...

@Campbell34,

Campbell34;45176 wrote:

Well you never know, maybe God will give Sword one of those dreams that He is giving to other Moslems. Maybe Sword will become a Christian someday, you just never know. All things are possilbe with God.

This passage describes both of you:

"Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit." [Matthew 15:14]

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;45210 wrote:

You claim that the whole bible was a Divine book, and that implies no contradiction should exist in it, otherwise it would not have been from God:

In Exodus 33:20, God declares, "You cannot see My face, for no one may see Me and live."

If you believe that Jesus is God then he was the one who declared that "no one can see ME and live". If you reject this decleration then you deny that Jesus was God of the OT.

Choose your option!

God exist in 3 persons, and it was the Father who spoke those words, and that is why Jesus said no one has seen the Father at any time. Yet remember, the Father adresses Jesus as God as well. There is only One God, but He = three persons.
And again, this is why when God created man God tells us. Let (US) make man in (OUR) image, and in (OUR) likness. God is speaking with the other members of the Godhead. For only God alone was involved in Creation.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;45212 wrote:

This passage describes both of you:

"Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit." [Matthew 15:14]

Sword, even Paul of the Bible was like you attacking Christians, yet God knocked him off his horse and Paul became a Christian Himself. I pray that God will work in your life like Paul. Sword, I bet God could really turn your life around if you gave Him half a chance.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;45211 wrote:

Jesus (peace be upon him) said to you:

"You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'" [Matthew 15:7-9]

What will Jesus have to say to the Hidden Imam when he returns? I hope nothing complimentary. I intend to give the old fart the butt-chewing of his life.:rocketwhore:

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;45217 wrote:

Sword, even Paul of the Bible was like you attacking Christians, yet God knocked him off his horse and Paul became a Christian Himself. I pray that God will work in your life like Paul. Sword, I bet God could really turn your life around if you gave Him half a chance.

I believe SWORD will be a better Christian than those of you who believe in trinity.... The Bible wihtout doubt did not mentioned trinity even once...

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@chico,

chico;45237 wrote:

I believe SWORD will be a better Christian than those of you who believe in trinity.... The Bible wihtout doubt did not mentioned trinity even once...

The Old Testament did not mention the name Jesus Christ even once. Yet we know who Jesus is because of the Old Testament. The word trinity will not be found in the Bible, yet the concept is.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;45248 wrote:

The Old Testament did not mention the name Jesus Christ even once. Yet we know who Jesus is because of the Old Testament. The word trinity will not be found in the Bible, yet the concept is.

God is God of order. Paul said in 1 Cor 8.5 'there is only one God the Father... and only one Lord.. Jesus...' This teaching of Paul we must believe. In the entire preaching of Paul from Roman to Hebrews, he did not mentioned that Jesus is God. Give me the phrases that Paul said that Jesus is God and I will refute them and explain to you one by one....

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@chico,

chico;45251 wrote:

God is God of order. Paul said in 1 Cor 8.5 'there is only one God the Father... and only one Lord.. Jesus...' This teaching of Paul we must believe. In the entire preaching of Paul from Roman to Hebrews, he did not mentioned that Jesus is God. Give me the phrases that Paul said that Jesus is God and I will refute them and explain to you one by one....

Thomas said of Jesus, my Lord and my God.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;45253 wrote:

Thomas said of Jesus, my Lord and my God.

Same argument.... Is this the only phrase you know that can validate your faith?

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;45248 wrote:

The Old Testament did not mention the name Jesus Christ even once. Yet we know who Jesus is because of the Old Testament. The word trinity will not be found in the Bible, yet the concept is.

For real?!?!?!?! not one single mention,..ahahahahahahahahaha! So the single greatest event that happens in the New Testament, with all those 'prophecies' you have been banging us over the head with and the name of Jesus isn't even in the Old Testement. Brilliant,..you couldn't make it up.

You got some good prophecising going on there Campbell.

But I am sure you have an explanation, so lets hear it

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;45217 wrote:

Sword, even Paul of the Bible was like you attacking Christians, yet God knocked him off his horse and Paul became a Christian Himself. I pray that God will work in your life like Paul. Sword, I bet God could really turn your life around if you gave Him half a chance.

Your are not practicing the original message and teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him) but your religion is in fact PAULISM.

Bible is personal judgment of Paul..as he said : " Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: but I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be trustworthy."- ( I Corinthians 7:25)

St. Paul The Root of Christian Missionary Deception...Paul said in your bible:
"But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?"[ROMANS 3:7]
St. Paul The Root of Christian Missionary Deception

Here is a collection of Paul's Lies: Paul's Lies, things that are Opposite to what God and Jesus say # JOB 42:7

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@SWORD of GOD,

How can Jesus (peace be upon him) be God when he prayed to the ONE TRUE God with loud crying and tears to save him from death!!!

"In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety" [Hebrews 5:7]

And indeed God allmighty heard Jesus's supplications and crying and saved his messenger, Jesus (peace be upon him) from death. This is in agreement with what Allah says in the Quran:

"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) (peace be upon them)). But Allah raised him ('Isa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he (peace be upon him) is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise." [Quran 4: 157-158]

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;44911 wrote:

Nothing 'always' exists except God.

Prove it, prove it, prove it, i say it one more time prove it! I have asked you this before and yet you deny to provide any proof!

Physics has not disproven the existence of God.

or Unicorns.

It hasn't advanced that far yet, and probably never will. Now, get out that bag. It's high time for me to mash it. :leghump:

typical...

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@Adam Bing,

Adam Bing;44900 wrote:

I would like to have absolutes as much as you do Chico. Unfortunately, our need for them is so bad that we end up creating them. In reality, there aren't any. The only absolute in the universe is change. Everything changes every nanosecond and is never the same again.

Truth is absolute only in the context of a "now". Newtonian physics is an absolute in a macro relm and totally crumbles at the quantum level.

But you appear to be an educated, intelligent person and I do not wish to preach. All I am saying is, lets all of us keep an open mind to all possibilities. Life is too short for us not to.

Regards

Thank you adam, for explaining that to him... i swear if i had to repeat myself one more time i would've snapped like this ->:rocketwhore:

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@SWORD of GOD,

Diver Mike.....come in. Come in, Diver Mike.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;45278 wrote:

Your are not practicing the original message and teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him) but your religion is in fact PAULISM.

Bible is personal judgment of Paul..as he said : " Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: but I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be trustworthy."- ( I Corinthians 7:25)

St. Paul The Root of Christian Missionary Deception...Paul said in your bible:
"But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?"[ROMANS 3:7]
St. Paul The Root of Christian Missionary Deception

Here is a collection of Paul's Lies: Paul's Lies, things that are Opposite to what God and Jesus say # JOB 42:7

Peter acknowledged Paul as their brother and fellow workers in Christ...You can not understand what Paul is telling us. This was confirmed also by Peter in 2Peter3.15-15 says '...SO ALSO OUR BELOVED BROTHER PAUL WROTE TO YOU ACCORDING TO THE WISDOM GIVEN HIM, SPEAKING OF THIS AS HE DOES IN ALL HIS LETTERS. THERE ARE SOMETHINGS IN THEM HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHICH THE IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE TWIST TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTIONS AS THEY DO THE OTHER SCRPTURES..'

Peter called you ignorant and unstable because you twisted his letters and other scriptures.

YOU ARE IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE ACCORDING TO PETER THE DISCIPLE OF JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU ACKNOWLEDGED AS GOD'S MESSENGER.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;45343 wrote:

Thank you adam, for explaining that to him... i swear if i had to repeat myself one more time i would've snapped like this ->:rocketwhore:

Your understanding of Theory is quite different from Adam Bing. Adam Bing confirmed that Theory need facts and evidences while you understood it otherwise.

You do not have to explain coz you explained it incorrect.....

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@chico,

chico;45368 wrote:

Your understanding of Theory is quite different from Adam Bing. Adam Bing confirmed that Theory need facts and evidences while you understood it otherwise.

You do not have to explain coz you explained it incorrect.....

he just explained it differently!

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@chico,

chico;45258 wrote:

Same argument.... Is this the only phrase you know that can validate your faith?

If Thomas said that Jesus is his Lord and his God, that's good enought for me.

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@Numpty,

Numpty;45275 wrote:

For real?!?!?!?! not one single mention,..ahahahahahahahahaha! So the single greatest event that happens in the New Testament, with all those 'prophecies' you have been banging us over the head with and the name of Jesus isn't even in the Old Testement. Brilliant,..you couldn't make it up.

You got some good prophecising going on there Campbell.

But I am sure you have an explanation, so lets hear it

The Bible is light years ahead of us. The Bible knows that anyone could use the name given in the Old Testament and claim to be that man of God. So rather than give a name, the Bible told us the real man of God will have to fulfill the 300 prophecies. It just so happens that there was only one man in history with a very narrow time window who fulfilled all of those prophecies. And that man, was Jesus Christ.

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