If Jesus was God ...

Mr Sword of God, take your pathetic propaganda else where, if you are open to debate in a civilised way regarding this issue instead of trying to prove at evey opporuntiy how much you hate Christians and jews, then stay and be welcomed. If not, crawl back under you stone and stay there. You are begining to bore me now with your bigoted self obsessed views.

Regards.

If Jesus was GOD ...

1- If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

2- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.

3- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?

4- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

5- If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?

6- If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said "Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?

7- If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

8- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was asked about the truth?

9- If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

10- If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?

11- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

12- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?

13- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

14- If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

15- If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

16- If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?

Laugh all you want but I too have and some of my friends have had experiences with evil spirits, and yes they are not nice.

A prophecy about Jesus


2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting
Micah 5:1-2 (KJV)

Jesus said He was before Abraham


Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58 (KJV)

Jesus (peace be upon him) was never a RULER in any place.

I will help you and I will post all the related verses here, and I want you to tell me where does Jesus (PBUH) was claiming to be God !!?
Do you think God will prove himself by saying I was before one of my creaturs !!? is this sensible !!?

Clearly in these verses, Jesus (PBUH) just answering a question by the jews about comparison of him with prophet Abraham (PBUH).


The Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say,'If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.'[John 8:52]

"Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?" [John 8:53]

Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say,'He is our God'; [John 8:54]

and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word.[John 8:55]

Your father Abraham was full of joy at the hope of seeing my day: he saw it and was glad.[John 8:56]

So the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" [John 8:57]

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." [John 8:58]


If you think that will make Jesus (PBUH) God for saying " before Abraham was born, I am.", then with this same argument you should also consider Solomon as God too because he said in your bible:

[ King James Version ]-[ Jer:1:5 ]-[ Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. ]]

...and i was attacked by a dancing pink elephant! :elefant:

Could you tell me how does that silly response disprove my experience?

can you tell me how your response disproves my encounter with the aggressive pink elephant?

You refuse to answer my question yet you are asking me one. If this is how you reason, then I will move on to someone else...bye.

i was making a point, a point that seemingly went over your head! But since you didn't seem to understand my point i guess i will have to explain it to you:


Just because someone claims that had an experience does not make it a legitimate or valid claim!


:thx:

I absolutely have to agree with Fatal_Freedoms though he could have dispensed with the pink elephant because Brian appears to be atleast willing to engage us atheists sensibly unlike some of the fanatics trawling this site for souls.

Just claiming to have had an experience, does not make the claim valid. it needs to be proven through emperical evidence.

I absolutely have to agree with Fatal_Freedoms though he/she could have dispensed with the pink elephant because Brian appears to be atleast willing to engage us atheists sensibly unlike some of the fanatics trawling this site for souls.

Just claiming to have had an experience, does not make the claim valid. it needs to be proven through emperical evidence.

You see I don't need a so call expert to validate my experience for me to know that what I experienced was actually what I experienced. If you were mugged, do you need a police to prove that you were mugged? Someone's lack of belief does not disprove my experience.

...nor does it take a scientist to verify that somebody actually saw bigfoot, right?

believe whatever you want, but your experience is not evidence of anything!

Again, I agree with Fatal Freedoms

That scripture that I posted is a two part prophecy....Jesus did not come to rule the first time He came; He came to die for the sin of the world, and call those who would rule with Him when He returns..

If you pay close attention to what is said in Jer. 1:5 you will notice that God said before "I formed You". In other words before Solomon existed God knew him. This is not unique to Solomon, all of those whom God will call to salvation were predestine to be called. Before the earth was crerated God knew them. God transends time and space, so its no supprised that God knew Solomon long before he was formed.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 8:29-30 (KJV)


Jesus did not say before He existed God knew Him, He simply said, "before Abraham was born I am. When Moses asked God what was His name, because the Children of Israel would ask him. God said to Moses, "tell them I AM has sent you. It is the same word that Jesus said, I AM.

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Do you really believe that the following XXX-Rated ponographic passages were inspired by GOD !? .... Are you willing to read those passages in front of your children!!?


[Ezekiel 23:19-21]:
19 "Yet she multiplied her harlotries, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
20 "She lusted after their paramours, whose flesh is like the flesh of donkeys and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
21 "Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom because of the breasts of your youth.
(New American Standard Bible)


No sane person could ever believe that God isnpired his prophets with such Filthy & Disgusting passages, and as such must attribute this to further examples of massive fabrications and lies found in the Bible.

Mr Sword of God,

Go and read this site Islam Uncensored: Sex and Violence in the Muslim Quran (Koran) when will you learn that your book, just as much as the bible is littered with contradictions and derogatory talk about women. If anything your book is even more harsh in the way in which women are to be treated.

You ask all these questions of christianity, which I have no fondness for myself, yet you leave yourself wide open because you book isn't perfect too. Both religous fanatics fail to see it. If we didn't live in the world we do today it would be bloody hilarious, unfortunatetly we do and people like you and campbell fight for your religoins and get people killed in the process.

Yes you truely are the masters of virtue and peace, give me a break. If you or Campbell saw either one on fire you wouldn't even piss on him to put him out, you hate each other books and ideals that much it blinds you to the obvious, we are here to make the best of things and lead our lives in a positive way helping to bring up our children and ensuring they make a place for themself in this world.

Regards.

Now is this a pro bible, muslim hating site? Think not.