If Jesus was God ...

Sword, who has more power -- the Hidden Imam or Imam Hussein? Also, are you a 'Twelver'? What will the 12th Imam do if Confucious and Buddha gang up on him when he returns? Can he fight?

Interesting argument from Mr.Campbell.

It was Islam to be blamed for killing people when it expanded.

However Christianity was not to be blamed for the inequities of the Spanish Inquistion and the other horrendous crimes. Those were done by bad people who were not real christians.

Your justification Mr.Campbell, is defined as "bigoted".

The real reason Islam swept the world after the prophets death was for the next 400 years unless you converted to Islam you got your head chopped off. By the time the goofs were finished they destroyed 3,200 Christian churches and killed hundreds of thousands of Christians. After this 400 year blood bath the Christian church finally had enought and the Crusades began.

Just answer my question: HOW MUCH POWER DOES THE HIDDEN IMAM HAVE?

I adviced you several times before to keep away from alcohol.

I guess you are doing a good job to prove to me that this passage in your bible describes you:

"For vain men would be wise, though man be born like a wild ass's colt." [Job 11:12].

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Undeniable Contradictions in the Bible


QUESTION:

Do you answer a fool according to his folly?

(a) NO (Proverbs 26:4): "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." (KJV)

OR

(b) YES (Proverbs 26:5): "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." (KJV)


So, How can the Bible be a Divine book when it contradicts itself like this in direct consecutive verses!!? How can you trust such a book !?

This adds to the long list of evidences about the fabrications in the corrupt bible.



"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction." (Qur'an 4: 82).

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Seems to me you have and inherent dislike for all things Christian, for one who preaches 'May Peace Be Upon Him' you certainly like to incite hatered towards Christians. Unfortunately as all religous fundamentalists, you take your fairystory book as literal fact. There are as many contradictions in your Holy book as there are in any Holy book. Reason,...they were written by men about their Gods by poeple who never met their god or the other writers of the books held in the holy books. The three Main Religions of the world, Christianty, Islamic and Jewish Faiths all descend from Abraham, essentially you all pray to the same good but under different names. You couldn't make it up!!

Oh and the contradictions:

What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
"Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
"But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
"He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

I am against the corrupt faith/bible but I honor Jesus (peace be upon him) as one of the great human messengers who never said I am God , Nor Son of God , Nor he said to worship him and he had never been killed but God saved him alive.


Now, regarding your old classical alleged contradictions in the Quran, I will be glad to refute those false allegations with supported proofs and logical sensible answers (as they have been refuted/answered many years ago) but would you then accept the TRUTH!!!? or you just like to throw old false allegations copied blindly from anti-Islam websites, and never care to know the truth!?

I am against the corrupt faith/bible but I honor Jesus (peace be upon him) as one of the great human messengers who never said I am God , Nor Son of God , Nor he said to worship him and he had never been killed but God saved him alive.


Now, regarding your old classical alleged contradictions in the Quran, I will be glad to refute those false allegations with supported proofs and logical sensible answers (as they have been refuted/answered many years ago) but would you then accept the TRUTH!!!? or you just like to throw old false allegations copied blindly from anti-Islam websites, and never care to know the truth!?

Yes I picked the forst site after I typed 'Contradictions in the Qur'an' in my search Engine.

But are all those passages in your holy book or are they not?

If not, then I appologise and will gadly delete the post. If they are then whetther they were copy and pasted or written from my own personal knowledge is irrelevent as the information contained within it is pertinent to our debate.

You clearly showed contradictions in the Bible as I did for the Qur'an, Neither book is perfect. Why try to make out one is more superior to the other?

Numpy's response to Sword of God is important for the following reason:

His approach stems from adherence to logic. As a consequence there is no "vested interest" to protect. So for example, if Sword of God were to prove the quotes were not from the Koran, then my guess is Numpty will cheerfully correct his error. Logical argument takes precedence over any preference for a desired position.

Sword of God's position stems not from logic but from the teachings of a single book. If logical argument were to prove the book in error through facts and figures, it is unlikely that Sword of God will accept it.

The only real resolution that the Swords of Gods (Koran Rules!) and the Campbells (Bible Rules!) can offer to the inherent contradictions in these books is that of 'interpretations". Which then takes us logically to the point that these books cannot be taken literally and are subject to various interpretations and it is likely that many of these interpretations were based on vested interests of a particular person, group or era.

Brilliant!

Yes one could say that but the Bible is not one Book, it was a number of Books that have been assembled over time with a great number of copies. And these copies are in agreement so it would be hard to pin this on one group. I hear this kind of talk all the time, yet the fact is not only is the Bible tied together by it's related story line, it is also tied together by it prophecies. Prophecies that were written hundreds of years before their fulfillment. Now that, is Brilliant!

Campbell, how dare you take me out of context? I was agreeing with Adam Bing's assertion :
"The only real resolution that the Swords of Gods (Koran Rules!) and the Campbell's (Bible Rules!) can offer to the inherent contradictions in these books is that of 'interpretations". Which then takes us logically to the point that these books cannot be taken literally and are subject to various interpretations and it is likely that many of these interpretations were based on vested interests of a particular person, group or era."

Yes we all know that the Bible is a assembly of many books, and that someone, somewhere, decided which books would be included and which would be omitted, undoubtedly, for political and sundry reasons...it wasn't "divine providence' that constructed the Bible, it was fallible men, some who got it right, and others who didn't (read: posted flawed documentation, or documentation tainted by politics and fight for control of the early church's doctrine and members).
Use your own rhetoric, empty though it may be, to underscore your rantings.

Answer me this one question. If the Bible cannot be taken literally, why then were all the prophecies of Christ first coming fullfilled literally?[/QUOTE

As I stated before...the Bible contains truly inspired passages, which I believe give insight into God and our purpose on Earth....but I don't take everything it the Bible as gospel...and I'm not alone.
The prophets were "the prophets"....does the Levitical Code work in todays' world? Of course not...adjustments have to be made, and updated, and made applicable to the now.
The Bible is filled with allegory and mythology, but also valuable lessons...it's up to us to use common sense, and discernment to see the application in our lives today. The New Testament is more relevant than the Old...and Paul's writings are just addendum to the gospels, which are far more important.