If Jesus was God ...

I do believe all Jehovah God has ever said .

You are making no sense what so ever campbell except to prove one must find God through the Holy Spirit and not depend on the poor translation of the KJV of the bible.

You have pointed out yourself where the translation has been altered.

Yet you say you believe every word of it. Does that make any sense?

Have you read the added books of the catholic bible ?

Have you read the Apocrypha ?

Have you read any of the ancient sacred texts excluded by man from both?

I have this truth for you campbell all of God's truth is not found in the mainstream Protestant bible. The Holy Spirit has taught me much that is not in the bible.

Ask and you'll learn too. That is if your open to learning.

It boils down to the original question of this thread.

Did Jesus ever say he was God?

No in fact he spent a great deal of time telling people he was not and that God the father was greater than he.

I serve and follow Christ campbell daily in my life. I am just not confused about who he is.

But my worship is reserved for the one true God , just as Christ told us to do, in the bible that you have pointed out so well is badly mis translated.

I do believe all Jehovah God has ever said .

You are making no sense what so ever campbell except to prove one must find God through the Holy Spirit and not depend on the poor translation of the KJV of the bible.

You have pointed out yourself where the translation has been altered.

Yet you say you believe every word of it. Does that make any sense?

Have you read the added books of the catholic bible ?

Have you read the Apocrypha ?

Have you read any of the ancient sacred texts excluded by man from both?

I have this truth for you campbell all of God's truth is not found in the mainstream Protestant bible. The Holy Spirit has taught me much that is not in the bible.

Ask and you'll learn too. That is if your open to learning.

It boils down to the original question of this thread.

Did Jesus ever say he was God?

No in fact he spent a great deal of time telling people he was not and that God the father was greater than he.

I serve and follow Christ campbell daily in my life. I am just not confused about who he is.

But my worship is reserved for the one true God , just as Christ told us to do, in the bible that you have pointed out so well is badly mis translated.

How do you feel about His Heaven being so small compared to His Hell.

Regards
DL

The title of the thread says if "Jesus was God", not if he said it.

How else are we to determine if Jesus was God except by the words of Jesus himself?

I would think the words ( if he said it as you say) would be the only way to determine who Jesus was.

(Hebrews) says that the Lord Jesus Christ created this world.

Now heres the problem, if Jesus and God are not one God, then one of them would not be telling us the truth. For in Isaiah 44:24 we read, "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who MAKES ALL THINGS, who stretches out the heavens ALL ALONE, Who spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF. Do you notice how God fails to mention that He had Jesus helping Him. God tells us He did this ALL ALONE and BY HIMSELF. Did He just forget to say that His Son created this world? God doesent forget. God could only make such a statement if He and Jesus were one God. Otherwise that statement would be outright lie. And God is not a liar. Do you believe the Fathers words when He tells us He made the earth ALONE and BY HIMSELF?

I do not believe God will be sending mankind to hell. God may have a place like hell he will be keeping Satan and the other fallen angels, but not mankind.

The words hell and hades are mistranslations in the bible. The translations come from sheol and Hades and mean the grave - as in death or the place that trash is burned.

The mistranslation happened about the time that Origon was head of the church and he is quoted as having said.

" while this idea of eternal torment by God is false , let it continue that the common man might in fear serve his God better"

God will destroy a sinful man or woman. Kill, put to death whatever term you prefer. God will not eternally torment mankind for deeds done in their short 70-90 years on this earth.

So great I am . I do not think there ever was a place called hell. So I can't compare the size of something that doesn't exist.

May God in Christs name shine the truth of this on whomever seeks this truth.

If I just had the bible to go on I can understand how people get confused.That is why the bible tells us that they shall each seek God on their own and have need for no man to teach them. Because God knew that man would corrupt ( take away from and add to) the Holy word. So Christ promised us the Holy Spirit to teach us all truth.

I agree.
A rather Gnostic approach. Yes?

Not a critisism, just a comment.

Regards
DL

For that matter how do you determine he was the son of God? I would suppose you would use the same process.I think with science there are a few other ways. Also i didn't have any other point but to correct what the thread really said.

I am not well versed on Jehovah's but I remember something about 144,000 or some such number. Care to refresh my memory?

If there is no Hell then what does God eventually do with His fallen angels?

I should tell you that I do not read the Bible literally and do not believe in angels, good or otherwise.

Do Jehovah's believe in the talking snake?

Regards
DL

First of all Greatest let me say I am not a Jehovah's Witness . I have studied for over 2 years with them and have many friends due to that study time I count among their numbers. I have studied with many denominations and faiths during my life time . I am a student of religion so to speak. Seeking all my life to know God's truth I have investigated every religious persuasion man has come up with almost. Almost I say because some smack of Satan right off the bat, no need to look into those.

My belief about the 144,000 is they were made by God to serve as kings and priests under Christ. These 144,000 are to help keep us all on the right path when this system of the world is finished. And for most of us we will be living on a new earth created by God, building our own homes and tending our own vineyards.

The bible tells us that Satan and fallen angels will be chained in a abyss, being a big hole, I believe may be right here on earth. I do not believe God would torment any being, even Satan for eternity, but I have not been made privy as to what will be the final fate of Satan or the fallen angels.

As I said I am not a Jehovah's witness . I believe through the Holy Spirit God teaches his own . This teaching can be audible, or in our minds through prayer, or in the written word. I do believe the bible Greatest, but believe we need the Holy Spirit to guide us as to what is God's Word in it and as to what has been corrupted by man. There are many other sacred texts other than the bible the Holy Spirit has led me to to learn the truth about God.

Greatest what writings do you use to learn of God?

As for talking snakes and talking animals for that matter. I believe God is the great I am, the one true God ; all powerful and able to do or create anything he wants. If God wants a animal of any kind to be able to speak it will. Or for that matter a tree, a flower, a cloud, a mountain. God is just that powerful.

Good discussion with you Greatest.

ONe of my good friends is a none practicing Jehovah Witness, LOL.

I have one question to this topic which has been raised. How do any of you understand the meaning of Luke, Chapter 13 vs, 23, 24 and 25? Also Luke Chapter 16, vs. 19 through 31. Is the only place the New Testament Hades is put into prospective that I know of. If anyone has more then please enlighten me.
I understand it to mean the grave (6 feet under) is hell. The body is there and the soul which in the rich mans case is beginning to come to understand that he is seperated from God. So those not going to heaven find hell in the grave. The rest in knowledge they are saved and only their body is in the grave. have I missed something?

No mlurp it sounds like you have it right . Except we sleep in the grave and know nothing till God calls us back.



The word hell is derived from roman myths . The goddess helena known as ruler of the firey under world in Roman mythology is where they came up with the word and concept of hell . The word hell was nowhere in the original writings of the bible. When speaking of where man goes when he dies the original writings speak of sheol the grave and hades the place where trash was burned and what happens when you burn something it is consumed and is no more.

Hell is a lie

I have one question to this topic which has been raised. How do any of you understand the meaning of Luke, Chapter 13 vs, 23, 24 and 25? Also Luke Chapter 16, vs. 19 through 31. Is the only place the New Testament Hades is put into prospective that I know of. If anyone has more then please enlighten me.
I understand it to mean the grave (6 feet under) is hell. The body is there and the soul which in the rich mans case is beginning to come to understand that he is seperated from God. So those not going to heaven find hell in the grave. The rest in knowledge they are saved and only their body is in the grave. have I missed something?